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I harvested to early 1
#26756324 - 06/19/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi, This was my first experience with a grow kit or in general with cultivating magic mushrooms. Maybe for the excitement I haversted the shoorms to early. Now my question is: eventhough they're small and non truly ready yet,they are good to try to get some interesting visuals or their power is compromised? I can show you a picture so you can tell me. https://ibb.co/cDMTzKq
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Re: I harvested to early [Re: Baruch24] 1
#26756359 - 06/19/20 05:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh fuck yes mate. You're gonna get more than good visuals from that
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Re: I harvested to early [Re: MilitoD] 1
#26756379 - 06/19/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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You could have let it go for a little bit longer. You are suppose to pick them right before the vale tares. Have fun though!
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Re: I harvested to early [Re: CagedApe] 1
#26756405 - 06/19/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Like 12-24hr early.
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Re: I harvested to early [Re: CagedApe] 1
#26756450 - 06/19/20 06:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hmmm not really. You pick them after the veil tears, which I can see in their pic didnt happen. I usually wait until the cap flattens out
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The larger ones weren’t going to get much larger than that. Once the veil starts to stretch (as is happening with those), all that’s left is for the veil to tear and the cap to spread and dump spores everywhere, which is a mess on your substrate. So it’s a matter of personal preference at that point.
Everything smaller than those had more growing to do, but mushrooms don’t need to mature in order to be ripe, like an apple or tomato or mango. They’re fine to eat and contain psilocin and psilocybin, just less of it because they’re smaller.
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Re: I harvested to early [Re: Phrontist] 1
#26756664 - 06/19/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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"They’re fine to eat and contain psilocin and psilocybin, just less of it because they’re smaller."
Thats not true. Size doesnt matter. Countless studies have proven this.
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Wat? Guess we can all throw our scales away. 1 mushroom = 1 mushroom regardless of size.
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Re: I harvested to early [Re: Phrontist] 1
#26756703 - 06/19/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do your research...
"First, the biosynthesis of the psilocybin mushrooms happens when the fruit bodies or sclerotia are formed. For this reason, the young, small mushrooms tend to have a much higher dose of psilocybin in them than the more mature ones."
https://psillow.com/articles/how-much-psilocybin-is-in-a-gram-of-mushrooms/
this has been proven so many times that I cant believe Im having to explain it right now. The most potent trips Ive had have been on pinners than larger mushrooms.
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WisdomSeeker said: this has been proven so many times that I cant believe Im having to explain it right now. The most potent trips Ive had have been on pinners than larger mushrooms.
Yeah, it’s amazing how many uninformed people there are around here, waiting for fruits to mature before picking, instead of grabbing them at the vastly superior pin stage. Look at this guy, for example:
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WisdomSeeker said: You pick them after the veil tears, which I can see in their pic didnt happen. I usually wait until the cap flattens out
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Re: I harvested to early [Re: Phrontist] 1
#26756836 - 06/19/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Phrontist said: Wat? Guess we can all throw our scales away. 1 mushroom = 1 mushroom regardless of size.

If thats 30-40 grams of fresh ... should be good.
I'm getting my first harvests now as well, i'd like to try dosing some pins and compare but the 2 week tolerance really slows down my 'testing'
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You harvest at a decent time. Like they said a few would’ve needed another day but you didn’t miss out on anything.
Pins have more actives by weight, mature shrooms have more actives overall. Like say for example when a pin forms it already has 50% of its max alkaloid potential. Letting it mature you’ll get the other 50% but the weight of the mushroom will be 20x as much.
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Re: I harvested to early [Re: Phrontist] 1
#26756876 - 06/19/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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@Phontrist - He asked when to harvest, not when to pick for most potency. Mature mushroom is when the veil breaks, not before. And if you are selling, then obvi you would want more weight.
Edited by WisdomSeeker (06/19/20 09:58 AM)
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Re: I harvested to early [Re: Phrontist] 1
#26756959 - 06/19/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Phrontist said: Wat? Guess we can all throw our scales away. 1 mushroom = 1 mushroom regardless of size.
I completely agree
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WisdomSeeker said: He asked when to harvest, not when to pick for most potency.
As Aka said, maximum potency is at maturity. As I said, picking before then doesn’t make the fruit worthless, just means it’s less potent than it could have been.
If you have scientific research (not an internet article with zero references, or anecdotal and highly subjective personal accounts) to link to that says otherwise, I’d be interested to read it.
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Re: I harvested to early [Re: Phrontist] 1
#26757023 - 06/19/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well maximum potency would be pins probably, maximum psilocybin yield is when they’re mature.
Potency is percentage of actives by weight which goes down as they get bigger, but I know what you meant.
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Re: I harvested to early [Re: A.k.a] 1
#26757075 - 06/19/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Well maximum potency would be pins probably, maximum psilocybin yield is when they’re mature.
Potency is percentage of actives by weight which goes down as they get bigger, but I know what you meant.
Thats all I was trying to say. In other words, if you were to take a bunch of pins, dry em out and grind them into pill format compared to doing same with mature mushrooms the potency would be higher from the pins.
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Re: I harvested to early [Re: A.k.a] 1
#26757162 - 06/19/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I mean, none us are really using “potency” as a proper pharmacological term, right? I just assume people are using the slang to mean “more of the active ingredient.”
My understanding is limited, but I’m not even sure “potency” is the correct term to use when comparing two things with the same active ingredient. I think that would be concentration or efficacy, but it’s been so long and my memory ain’t what it used to be. 
Either way, the important info I wanted to relate to OP is that his smaller ones are perfectly safe to eat and will get the job done, but if he had let them mature they would contain more of the active ingredients.
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Re: I harvested to early [Re: Baruch24] 1
#26757378 - 06/19/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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IMHO, the ones circled in red are the best "quality" (size+potancy) for sharing with friends, they dry beautifully at this stage and are still very strong. the green, the highest "potency" (actives per gram) for eating fresh (undried) but this normally causes a large reduction in total yield (in weight per tub). As the cap expands and the veil stretches/breaks the yield (per tub) starts increasing dramatically (500 wet grams from a SB!) but the taste gets stronger also. I think they are best used for cooking and teas at that stage. again, just my humble opinion.
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I just cant wait for my PE to finally start growing, but theyve been taking a while in my tub. They like to take their time. Made the mistake of getting SSKS spores and will never grow them again. Way too many aborts and the mushrooms never grow normal. I am trying them out tomorrow for first time so hopefully theyre 'potent'. At least get soemthing from them
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