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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle] * 3
    #26753451 - 06/18/20 06:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well when you are literally flying a flag that represents the rebel effort to preserve slavery you aren't being particularly secretive about it. Ignorance really isn't a particularly good excuse when you want to own human beings to preserve free labor.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle] * 3
    #26753479 - 06/18/20 06:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't see how it's racist. I mean lots of countries have had slavery and yet it didn't magically make their flags racist for all time




It’s not our countries flag . It’s not like  Trumps base lived and died there for 1000s of years or something . The confederacy lasted 4 years , that’s less time than Trumps failed casinos , nirvana lasted longer than that .
  I dont see how people can base their heritage on something so short lived . It’s crazy .


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2] * 4
    #26753515 - 06/18/20 07:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

And then there is this


The flag was rarely used during the Civil War and only got popular again in the 1960s when people were showing support for segregation.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle] * 3
    #26753527 - 06/18/20 07:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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You really think all the people that fly it are doing it out of some kind of secret love of slavery and not the reasons they will tell you?




Similarly, I get a lot of grief over here in Europe for displaying a swastika flag. 

I fly it because I'm a huge fan of autobahns, but the PC snowflakes keep calling me anti-Semitic and racist for some reason.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Guy1980] * 2
    #26753562 - 06/18/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You should move to the states ,  Nazi flags have become allot more popular since the last election .


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle] * 2
    #26753576 - 06/18/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Flag's fault?  Dude, a flag is an inanimate object.  It can't be at fault.  What are you even asking?

A flag is a symbol.  The confederate flag is a symbol of white dominance, black suppression, and slavery.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil]
    #26753607 - 06/18/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Flag's fault?  Dude, a flag is an inanimate object.  It can't be at fault.  What are you even asking?

A flag is a symbol.  The confederate flag is a symbol of white dominance, black suppression, and slavery.




I got out of a murder conviction because a flag made me do it. The egg is on your face!


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26753802 - 06/18/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Flag's fault?  Dude, a flag is an inanimate object.  It can't be at fault.  What are you even asking?

A flag is a symbol.  The confederate flag is a symbol of white dominance, black suppression, and slavery.



What about people like me who associate the flag with TV shows they watched growing up( Dukes of hazzard) or one the first movies i watched with my dad (smokey and the bandit) or heavily associate the flag with my favorite artists such a lynyrd skynyrd or guitarists like dimebag or something?
A lot of people like me just see the flag as symbols of southern music, the south and racing. We dont see it as a tool to oppress minorities or actually think the south should have won the war. Meanings of things usually change over time, why should we stick slavery to the flag for perpetuity?


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26753823 - 06/18/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You can wave the flag all day.  It's your first amendment right to do so.  NASCAR can disallow it in their events.  That's their first amendment right.  Freedom is awesome, isn't it!

Your fond memories of something doesn't change the great pain and suffering that it represents to a large group of people.  For most people, nostalgia isn't as important as avoiding causing other people pain.  For others, they couldn't care less how others feel as long as they get to do what they want.  Where you personally fall on this spectrum between pure selfishness and pure selflessness is a personal decision you must make.



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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26753863 - 06/18/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well i actually think nascar can do whatever they want. I was just saying that there's a lot of people like me who associate the flag with music and stuff and not necessarily the history. Do you think the flag should be associated with hate into perpetuity? Because like i said a lot of people associate it with music and old tv shows now


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26753880 - 06/18/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well, on balance, the social significance of slavery, segregation, and discrimination compared to the social significance of a couple of TV shows and a little bit of music makes it an easy choice which one the flag will ultimately represent.  History will decide, but it's doubtful that The Dukes of Hazzard and a few southern rock bands are going to share the same degree of prominence when tracing the path of our society and culture.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26753881 - 06/18/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Well i actually think nascar can do whatever they want. I was just saying that there's a lot of people like me who associate the flag with music and stuff and not necessarily the history




Kinda have to fly it at your own risk in allot of states . You will get beat the fuck down flying that shit in California . Haven’t seen it once in the 20 years since I’ve moved here . 
  Most people don’t associate tv shows like the dukes of hazard with reality or history .


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26753895 - 06/18/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I grew up watching the Dukes, and I have personally owned several 1970 dodge chargers as a result of that show.  Having said that, if someone shows up to my house with a confederate flag on their car, he/she is not welcome.


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    #26753977 - 06/18/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I spent allot of my youth in Tennessee and I thought the rebel flag was normal back then .  I thought black people having their own poor as fuck towns was normal too . Segregation was still a thing in the mid 80s there .


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil] * 3
    #26754019 - 06/18/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Flag's fault?  Dude, a flag is an inanimate object.  It can't be at fault.  What are you even asking?

A flag is a symbol.  The confederate flag is a symbol of white dominance, black suppression, and slavery.




Many people in the US and around the world perceive the US flag as a symbol of oppression, global dominance, endless wars, violator of human rights and white colonialism.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26754027 - 06/18/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I spent allot of my youth in Tennessee and I thought the rebel flag was normal back then .  I thought black people having their own poor as fuck towns was normal too . Segregation was still a thing in the mid 80s there .




Segregation based on race and ethnicity isn't "normal" human behavior?


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: qman] * 4
    #26754120 - 06/18/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Flag's fault?  Dude, a flag is an inanimate object.  It can't be at fault.  What are you even asking?

A flag is a symbol.  The confederate flag is a symbol of white dominance, black suppression, and slavery.




Many people in the US and around the world perceive the US flag as a symbol of oppression, global dominance, endless wars, violator of human rights and white colonialism.



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    #26754220 - 06/18/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Segregation based on race and ethnicity isn't "normal" human behavior?



 
  My wife’s grandfather is black and my kids are brown . It’s not to me no .
Why  Is it normal behavior for you ?


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    #26754273 - 06/18/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Seen a meme that stated, when we talk about slavery that lasted for hundreds of years they say, "that was along time ago so we don't need to talk about it".

But when asked to remove the confederate flag and statues from the civil war that lasted 4 years, they say, "no that's our long standing heritage!".

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Unfortunately some people just cannot move on and some prefer the comfort of denial.

In my opinion, let the statues stand, that is history that is suppose to remind us of our fuck ups. I could care less about peoples flag fetish honestly, it's there actions I look at to lesson the probability of deceit.

The swastika used to mean prosperity to the Hindus until the Nazi's hijacked it for there own idea of prosperity.

This is what you call a false flag and history shows the confederate flag as a false one when loosely defining the "heritage" behind it.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: qman]
    #26754698 - 06/18/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Segregation based on race and ethnicity isn't "normal" human behavior?




Some qman sarcasm right there, yessir  :thumbup:


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