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pirate-blues



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Not to answer for Sara or anything, but, basic human rights and dignity.... government accountability and transparency, clean air and water, personal liberty...stuff like that. I don't want to live in a society where that's not owed to everyone, personally.
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SARAtonin
Violent Dreams


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The right to food, water, shelter, a chance to thrive and know peace.
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Jokeshopbeard
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Personally, I don't think life owes us a fucking thing.
We're all only a dice roll from being born into absolute filth and poverty and early death.
Thinking that we're entitled to anything is pretty filthy IMO.
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tyrannicalrex
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LogicaL Chaos said:
I should also mention that this guy and gal were very big, like 300-400lbs each.
Pics please,
That is cool. Sometimes people are nice and it makes me happy and reinforces my belief that not everyone in the world is a fucking asshole or out only for themselves.
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SARAtonin
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Just because something is doesn’t mean it has to be.
We have the scientific know-how to make the life of every human brought forth into this plant an absolute success; food, water, and shelter are abundant, renewable, and should never be seen as a privilege, that is the very essence of evil.
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CookieCrumbs
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I've been thinking about this alot too.
Let's not confuse nature with society. We can't prevent hurricanes and earthquakes. We can't cure cancer or prevent numerous diseases. We can prevent starvation and homelessness.
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CookieCrumbs
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It IS a privilege to have your health and your mind. And your life.
Nature doesn't give a flying fuck about your philosophy.
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SARAtonin
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And only YOU can prevent forest fires Cookies.
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CookieCrumbs
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CookieCrumbs
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Also important to not confuse individuals with society. If you ask me society does all of us wrong and we all perpetuate those wrongs to some degree.
Everyone is a victim of society.
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Jokeshopbeard
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CookieCrumbs said: We can prevent starvation and homelessness.
We can but we won't.
I don't think most Americans that have never left America to walk in the third world have any idea of how entitled they really are.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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SARAtonin
Violent Dreams


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In a serious note, I’d add nature is not a viable model to use, if it were things such as 50% mortality rates during labor would be acceptable, but they aren’t, because we as a society have come together to provent it. On the subject of society and the individual, I’d start by saying society is a collection of individuals brought together through a shared empathy. Empathy is at the heart of human nature despite its degrading form we see today. So in a way it is in fact the individuals who have failed society by allowing empathy to take a back seat to individual greed. Society is a reflection of the collective empathy of the individuals within it.
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CookieCrumbs
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Well there's a difference between practicing gratitude on an individual level and on a societal level.
You like me have been told that we have it better than others so we are not entitled to question or demand that we as a society do better still.
Individuals often have problematic mindsets because they were trained to or because that's all they know. Or because a flawed thought process wasn't corrected when they were vulnerable, by age, trauma, or something else. They too are victims of the failure of society.
That doesn't mean they're not responsible for their actions. Just that that responsibility does not fall solely on them.
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CookieCrumbs
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CookieCrumbs said: We can prevent starvation and homelessness.
We can but we won't.
I don't think most Americans that have never left America to walk in the third world have any idea of how entitled they really are.
Practicing gratitude on an individual means realizing how goddamn fortunate you are to live in this disgustingly wasteful society where you, as a homeless starving person, can make a meal out of a few dumpster dives and then get washed up from it in the bathroom of one of the fast food joints on every single block.
No we really have a hard time imagining the 3rd world because it is so very far from our reality.
But that's more forgivable than failing to realize that millions of Americans must practice the gratitude I just described. And that covid had to have seriously hurt their ability to carry on.
Walk a day, preferably a month, in another man's shoes and if you don't have more gratitude then something's wrong with you. Or your life.
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CookieCrumbs
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On a very personal note I didn't understand the difference between envy and wishing I had something others do until my health and my mind went to shit in my early/mid 20s.
I looked at all the people that take for granted that they don't spend every waking moment in pain. That they don't have to struggle to lift a jug of milk. That they don't have to watch their muscles whither away. Or feel their joints and bones grind and pop with every movement. That they don't struggle every single day to do the simplest things. Not least of all the struggle to not simply end it.
I hated them and my younger self for it. I hated the stupid shit they complain about. I hated my younger self for being so miserable when it could get so much worse.
So I looked at other's, like my god mother who spent a decade withering away in terrible deforming pain, and I vowed I would not be that person anymore.
I am grateful for my relatively easy existence every day. And that I didn't take the easy way out.
I'm grateful also that I could see.
I don't envy anymore. I don't hate. But I do get angry and frustrated sometimes.
Gratitude I think kinda has to come with forgiveness too. Forgiving yourself and others for not knowing. For being human.
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remake


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I feel like a bit of gratitude brings one into the moment, and stops you from complaining about stuff only a spoiled child would complain about.
Overall
I am grateful for having food, water and shelter at this time.
I am also confused.
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qman
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Jokeshopbeard said:
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CookieCrumbs said: We can prevent starvation and homelessness.
We can but we won't.
I don't think most Americans that have never left America to walk in the third world have any idea of how entitled they really are.
Most Americans are oblivious to the sometimes 2nd world living conditions in their own country. Out of sight is out of mind.
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Asante
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Re: Gratitude [Re: qman]
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qman said:
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Jokeshopbeard said:
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CookieCrumbs said: We can prevent starvation and homelessness.
We can but we won't.
I don't think most Americans that have never left America to walk in the third world have any idea of how entitled they really are.
Most Americans are oblivious to the sometimes 2nd world living conditions in their own country. Out of sight is out of mind.
This is true.
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trees


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I think gratitude is a big deal. Completely seperate from attitude. Someone can have an attitude that is percieved and taken as great by one person but degrading and abusive to another.
I think that gratitude is all that matters to most social people on Earth, its like healing food for their consciousness. Seems like about 30% of the human population mentally tries to block it out and witholds gratitude from certain people by some bullshit logic that they play out in their heads and they become entitled sacks of shit, while they also continue to fish for gratitude from everyone around them and get enraged when their entitlement is challenged. These people are everywhere, even in our own families, even the people who claim and believe themselves to be good in character
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