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Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit
    #26753087 - 06/18/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hello I'm new too mushroom cultivation and need little help.

I will try to take spores after that, so I can make my own "grow kit".

But I don't know if I'm doing something wrong already with this kit because the pin you see is very dark and it didn't grow over the last night. Is it already aborted?
It's an 100% mycelium kit and the manual says that I shouldn't add any water until the second flush but it seemed too dry to me. So I started spraying water on the sides and a bit on the mycelium about four days ago.
Now I don't know if the pin is so dark because it's still not enough water or is it because I added too much.

Psilocybe cubensis.

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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: PsycDiesel]
    #26753145 - 06/18/20 12:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If you wan't to grow kits, you should follow the manual. In that way you're doing nothing wrong according to the vendor.

That said, your money would have been better spent on supplies for making cakes or tubs. Spores and what not.

Go directly to making your own.

It looks like it has aborted yes.


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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: Thomsen]
    #26753195 - 06/18/20 01:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I will make my own after I get the first spores I promise :laugh:

But I need help for this case now since I spent already money for it and don't want a new one or order spores because it didn't worked while I followed the manual from the vendor.
Maybe my kit lost too much of humidity because the bag wasn't closed properly. Maybe everything was ok and adding additional water made it worse.

You can see water drops on the mycelium. If someone could say it's bc of too much water, I could let an tissue soak a bit of it before it get's worse.


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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: PsycDiesel]
    #26753210 - 06/18/20 01:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Often these vendors will just ship you a new kit if you don't manage to get it growing, so no worries about losing money.

No need to put a tissue on it if it's too wet (droplets are okay, pools are not). You can just leave the bag open untill it has evaporated or air it out more often and don't water it.


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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: Thomsen]
    #26753220 - 06/18/20 01:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yes I think so too but I was already happy to receive this one without problems.

Alright thank you!
Then I will let it stay like it is and report if something changes.


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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: PsycDiesel]
    #26753274 - 06/18/20 02:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You're welcome! Looking forward to see how it grows


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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: Thomsen]
    #26754057 - 06/18/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Looks like it grows well, but not where it should be.
A few new pins but I removed the tinfoil and realized how many side pins it has.
I added the tinfoil not at the beginning and maybe there was still a little bit of light.

Any ideas what I should do next or should I just keep going?



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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: PsycDiesel]
    #26754067 - 06/18/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Light is not the cause of side pins. Pins will form in complete darkness if the conditions are good.


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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: Phrontist]
    #26754074 - 06/18/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the fast response.

Seems like the condition is better on the side with less space and "air flow".


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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: PsycDiesel]
    #26754427 - 06/18/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It sounds like you’ve been changing the conditions often (common when starting out, I’ve been guilty of it too). My guess is that the sides where pins formed had a more stable and consistent microclimate, they were less affected by changes you were making to your surface, and that’s why they’re doing better.


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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: Phrontist]
    #26754594 - 06/18/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Im a beginner my self, but I would a wait a little bit more. My first kit looked (completely different lol) similar in terms of pinning. I had a lot of side pinning for the first flush, but eventually there were some nice mushrooms growing on the top. I removed all the the side pins during the harvesting of the mushrooms on the top. Then I did the dunking as described in the manual and few weeks/days later my entire bag was filled to bursting with mushrooms haha.

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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: Baconman]
    #26754967 - 06/18/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yes this could be the case.
The only room where I can let them grow is in my bedroom and I changed the temperature a few times with the heater  between 22 and 25°C which is 71-77 Fahrenheit. Sometimes the sun heats the room a bit more but the mushrooms dont get the direct sun light.

I had read that at the beginning 25°C is optimal and after the first pins are visible, 22°C is enough. And I don't know how the temperature is in the night when the heater goes off. I will at least stop moving the kit and let the heater at the same level the whole time.


But I'm glad that adding water wasn't a mistake since the manual says that I shouldn't do it.
When everything goes right, I will take spores and think about a better solution where I can manage to provide the same condition the whole time.

Thanks to you both!


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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: PsycDiesel]
    #26755708 - 06/18/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ideally you shouldn’t need to add water. When everything is perfect, all the water your mushrooms will need is already in your substrate, and your FAE allows it to evaporate at the correct rate.


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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: Phrontist] * 1
    #26755964 - 06/18/20 11:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Normally I shouldn't but it just seemed too dry and and the huidity was low in the bag.
But it should be more then enough now. I will stop adding water for two days and see how it looks. Maybe the side pins got less which caused a better grow.

Hope this condition change is ok


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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: PsycDiesel]
    #26756720 - 06/19/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So sidepinning runs great! :laugh:
I didn't add any water today and I think I  can keep it that way or ?
Hope they look ok



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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: PsycDiesel]
    #26756760 - 06/19/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What’s your FAE setup?


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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: Phrontist]
    #26756772 - 06/19/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This is the "setup"

I open it for about 2-10 minutes 2-3 times a day and it has little holes in it.


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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: PsycDiesel]
    #26756792 - 06/19/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Oh... well I don’t know how you’re supposed to manage FAE consistently with a plastic bag. I guess just follow the instructions on that front.

In terms of water content, you seem to have too much. It’s why the caps are extremely dark and aborting. They’re pulling excess moisture out of the substrate.


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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: Phrontist]
    #26756874 - 06/19/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Doesn't sound good...
I will let the bag stay open for a while.
Is the chance high to get mold this way?
I mean I had read that mycelium is resistent after a time


And what about the aborted ones. Do they have already psilocybin so I can still use them later?


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Re: Humidity too low? Dark pins. Help with grow kit [Re: PsycDiesel]
    #26757205 - 06/19/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn’t eat an abort, personally. My understanding is that they are basically sponges, pulling as much excess water from the substrate as they can to correct conditions for the next pins. I guess if I was desperate I might eat a few and see how active they are, but it’s not something I’d recommend.


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