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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: pirate-blues]
#26751335 - 06/17/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: It's more like...as a woman...you pretty much kind of disappear after a certain age. That's the pervasive feeling. Like when you're not sexy anymore all you can do is just go be old and take care of other people.
Really kind of sucks. And you are aware of it and feel it from a very young age, so it can make the whole process of adulthood after 25 particularly depressing.
Anyway, I know black people too And they think all kinds of different things about a very large issue, because they're people and that's what people do  
That's such bullshit though, not to say that in an offensive way PB. I'm 30 yo man, and no woman of any old age is invisible to me, i will still greet and smile to them with respect as i would for anyone. Actually if a sexy 25 year old chick has a piece of shit rotten personality, she is invisible to me.
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: trees]
#26751340 - 06/17/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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trees said: I think that if they saw a white chick explaning such detail about racism beyond what they care to decipher, they're gonna be offended that a white chick thinks she knows better what offends them.
I think there's something to this. I see a lot of people playing the shit out of some kind of 'white guilt' card these days. I think it's pretty sad, and pretty dumb, and I have several friends of darker skin tone that think this too.
I like the part that Sara, as a woman, also touched upon the sexist stereotyping involved but the response is a bunch of guys pointing out the white girl talking about black issues as if they weren't in the midst of doing essentially the same sort of thing
Sexist? So all the TV commercials with women doing the laundry or dishwashing need to be extinguished to. Its all gotta go!
well you've talked to all the black women in your life about how much they love housework, so maybe they love the commercials but, yes, the idea that women should be relegated to housework is harmful if you do not comprehend how then maybe you just do not want to
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trees said: And men in the car or tool commercials, same thing, its gotta go!
If you are a man and that is how you feel, will trust your judgement
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trees said: From now on, only unisex animal characters will be used in laundry or dish soap commercials, because it's unhealthy to imagine even an effigy of a woman doing those tasks.
I love how you went so quickly to the most absurd and sensationalist idea you could think of
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To reaffirm my statement was expressing finding comedy in a bunch of guys talking about the icongraphy of women and how women love it so much while also complaining that white people talk too much on black issues and black people don't appreciate that
but bringing up sexism at all has resulted in directing the conversation into absurdism this implying that discussion of issues of sexism is in turn totally absurd
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Niffla]
#26751343 - 06/17/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like the part that Sara, as a woman, also touched upon the sexist stereotyping involved but the response is a bunch of guys pointing out the white girl talking about black issues as if they weren't in the midst of doing essentially the same sort of thing
I don't even know how it's sexist though, Tantrika. Because it's an aunt who cooks? Virtually every aunt I have loves to cook. And they don't do it for a man, they do it because they enjoy it.
Whatever though, I really don't care. It's a logo of a syrup for fuck's sake 

Sara provided a pretty good account but surely your friend Jack will be more comedic and not have the women's issues mixed in when you chuckle together about it
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: pirate-blues]
#26751344 - 06/17/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anyway, I know black people too And they think all kinds of different things about a very large issue, because they're people and that's what people do  
Yeah I didn't mean for that up above to come off like that one guy was speaking for the entire race. Just offering one guy's perspective for whatever it's worth.
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: trees] 2
#26751345 - 06/17/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: It's more like...as a woman...you pretty much kind of disappear after a certain age. That's the pervasive feeling. Like when you're not sexy anymore all you can do is just go be old and take care of other people.
Really kind of sucks. And you are aware of it and feel it from a very young age, so it can make the whole process of adulthood after 25 particularly depressing.
Anyway, I know black people too And they think all kinds of different things about a very large issue, because they're people and that's what people do  
That's such bullshit though, not to say that in an offensive way PB. I'm 30 yo man...
Please note that a woman spoke about what she feels like her experiences are as a woman and your immediate response was to tell her that was bullshit, then explain your opinion on how women should feel from your perspective as a man
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: trees] 2
#26751346 - 06/17/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm difficult to offend, no worries. That's nice and all, but realistically that's an issue I think pretty much every woman feels at one point or another, so... Guess we're all wrong.
And I know it's not like your fault or anything, I think a lot of this mentality is sort of self imposed, but the whole idea of feminism is to break out of the self defeating kind of attitude.
@Niffla, sorry I wasn't singling you out. I started to detail a professional mentor from a couple years a bit because she is an older black lady that has had a huge influence in my life, and then just kind of realized I was doing the same thing and just decided to type that instead . I do have to get back in touch with her and pick her brain a little about the Aunt Jemima thing.
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Tantrika] 2
#26751348 - 06/17/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tantrika said: well you've talked to all the black women in your life about how much they love housework, so maybe they love the commercials but, yes, the idea that women should be relegated to housework is harmful if you do not comprehend how then maybe you just do not want to
Then you have Mr. Clean who bears an unfortunate resemblance to a racist skinhead.
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Tantrika]
#26751352 - 06/17/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like the part that Sara, as a woman, also touched upon the sexist stereotyping involved but the response is a bunch of guys pointing out the white girl talking about black issues as if they weren't in the midst of doing essentially the same sort of thing
I don't even know how it's sexist though, Tantrika. Because it's an aunt who cooks? Virtually every aunt I have loves to cook. And they don't do it for a man, they do it because they enjoy it.
Whatever though, I really don't care. It's a logo of a syrup for fuck's sake 

Sara provided a pretty good account but surely your friend Jack will be more comedic and not have the women's issues mixed in when you chuckle together about it
A lot of times I don't know when to be serious and I joke too much about stuff. I know it's a very sensitive topic and I shouldn't make light of it. Especially not being in the position to see it from a woman's perspective.
I promise if we do end up discussing it today I won't mock it and chuckle about it okay
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: psi] 1
#26751358 - 06/17/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tantrika said: well you've talked to all the black women in your life about how much they love housework, so maybe they love the commercials but, yes, the idea that women should be relegated to housework is harmful if you do not comprehend how then maybe you just do not want to
Then you have Mr. Clean who bears an unfortunate resemblance to a racist skinhead.

Mr. Clean did time in San Quentin tho...he put his Aryan Nation days behind him when he got out
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: psi]
#26751359 - 06/17/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tantrika said: well you've talked to all the black women in your life about how much they love housework, so maybe they love the commercials but, yes, the idea that women should be relegated to housework is harmful if you do not comprehend how then maybe you just do not want to
Then you have Mr. Clean who bears an unfortunate resemblance to a racist skinhead.

yeah, and let us be fair and recognize that most professional business serving janitors are prolly male as it is sort of an industrial-adjacent job
but the more tangible part of the issue which is thankfully being mitigated as time goes on is the imagery that housekeeping is the primary or only outlet for a woman with things like engineer or scientist being things that seem shrouded away and for exceptional women, rather than a commonplace and attainable livelihood if that makes snes?
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Tantrika]
#26751360 - 06/17/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: It's more like...as a woman...you pretty much kind of disappear after a certain age. That's the pervasive feeling. Like when you're not sexy anymore all you can do is just go be old and take care of other people.
Really kind of sucks. And you are aware of it and feel it from a very young age, so it can make the whole process of adulthood after 25 particularly depressing.
Anyway, I know black people too And they think all kinds of different things about a very large issue, because they're people and that's what people do  
That's such bullshit though, not to say that in an offensive way PB. I'm 30 yo man...
Please note that a woman spoke about what she feels like her experiences are as a woman and your immediate response was to tell her that was bullshit, then explain your opinion on how women should feel from your perspective as a man
You're well aware that her feelings are directly related to her perception of other's feelings, an appropriate response is elucidation and that's what he provided. One should not have to share genders to share thoughts and opinions.
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Patlal]
#26751365 - 06/17/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Here's a thought.
Let's delete the entire black history of America and start fresh as of.... now!
Let's no longer acknowlage Cnada's separateness from the USA as of.. NOW!
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Niffla] 3
#26751372 - 06/17/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like the part that Sara, as a woman, also touched upon the sexist stereotyping involved but the response is a bunch of guys pointing out the white girl talking about black issues as if they weren't in the midst of doing essentially the same sort of thing
I don't even know how it's sexist though, Tantrika. Because it's an aunt who cooks? Virtually every aunt I have loves to cook. And they don't do it for a man, they do it because they enjoy it.
Whatever though, I really don't care. It's a logo of a syrup for fuck's sake 

Sara provided a pretty good account but surely your friend Jack will be more comedic and not have the women's issues mixed in when you chuckle together about it
A lot of times I don't know when to be serious and I joke too much about stuff. I know it's a very sensitive topic and I shouldn't make light of it. Especially not being in the position to see it from a woman's perspective.
I promise if we do end up discussing it today I won't mock it and chuckle about it okay 
cannot give you a good answer on that sadly my own perspective(s) are a mess of everything shunning "women's work" and practicing a "get in the kitchen" attitude when studying pickup artistry and pretending to be a man
then sort of a whiplash effect as a trans woman which has included my mother telling me that tolerating cleaning up after other people and doing more than your own share in that regard is a defining part of being a woman and to do it with a smile and reassure everyone you don't mind when you have guests and have to do even more
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larry.fisherman said: One should not have to share genders to share thoughts and opinions.
Agreed. Same goes for race.
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Tantrika]
#26751379 - 06/17/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I did not think of the janitor angle, guess I never put much thought into who his character was supposed to be other than a strong dude who cares a lot about things being clean. I will say it definitely seems to be marketed towards home use.
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Asante]
#26751380 - 06/17/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Here's a thought.
Let's delete the entire black history of America and start fresh as of.... now!
Let's no longer acknowlage Cnada's separateness from the USA as of.. NOW!
Hey Pat, the Netherlands are officially part of Germany what did you do bruh?
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Tantrika]
#26751389 - 06/17/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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women do they inside chores and men do the outside chores, I will do the dishes though if I can waste water and leave it running the whole time, I find the running water to be soothing, almost like a meditation
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: psi]
#26751391 - 06/17/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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psi said: I did not think of the janitor angle, guess I never put much thought into who his character was supposed to be other than a strong dude who cares a lot about things being clean. I will say it definitely seems to be marketed towards home use.
he is the big strong janitor come to help make cleaning your home easier for the wife
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Tantrika]
#26751395 - 06/17/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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damn Mr. Clean got an earring?
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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Tantrika]
#26751397 - 06/17/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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A janitor doesn't come to your house to clean it though.
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