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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Niffla]
    #26751171 - 06/17/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Its obvious, I'm just lulzing because the brand should have vanished with Darkie Toothpaste




Look racist connotations aside Darkie Toothpaste totally had the best tarter control





It went on as Darlie toothpaste so you can still have it.


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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: trees]
    #26751173 - 06/17/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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What about black women who take passion in making food for everyone and generally being a loving person, who also ENJOYS to bear the burden of maintaining a home. I live in an area that is 50% black. I've known black people who love the image of Aunt Jemima, as it reminds them of their own relatives.



Just because some woman enjoy keeping the house doesn’t mean the housewife stereotype of the 1940s is a healthy one. It’s basically universally accepted anymore that the 1940’s view of domestic partnership was very unhealthy. The same thinking applies here.


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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: trees]
    #26751187 - 06/17/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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What about black women who take passion in making food for everyone and generally being a loving person, who also ENJOYS to bear the burden of maintaining a home. I live in an area that is 50% black. I've known black people who love the image of Aunt Jemima, as it reminds them of their own relatives.

They never read those racist books Saratonin broke down for us.

Seems like such intricate racism like this is only studied by extremely white people, and the blacks don't really care. At least the American blacks that I have known. They're more concerned about cops and kkk'ers.

I think that if they saw a white chick explaning such detail about racism beyond what they care to decipher, they're gonna be offended that a white chick thinks she knows better what offends them.

:shrug:




It is important and valuable for black women to have a sense of visibility,
and do somewhat "agree" that this may be an elimination of one form of that with few others to turn to in place
but it is also possible that they will revamp the brand to something that is still a loving black mother figure, just not in such a negatively stereotypical way

perhaps where the brand goes next will be something that does not perpetuate the attitudes of exploitation
while still providing a sense of visibility


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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: SARAtonin]
    #26751192 - 06/17/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

We should wait for that generation to die off then? We could be offending the housewives who have enjoyed and are still enjoying their life of nurturing their kids and grand kids.

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If people continue down this path of identifying and demonizing all and any hint of racism, they're gonna wind up attacking all areas of black american culture. Because much of it came from blacks history in the US. So you'll eventually destroy their whole culture then, because every part of it can be connected to their history, which is all racist based.

:shrug:




You'll eventually have to face the blacks themselves in order to wipe out the racism that you see.


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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: trees]
    #26751219 - 06/17/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I think that if they saw a white chick explaning such detail about racism beyond what they care to decipher, they're gonna be offended that a white chick thinks she knows better what offends them.



I think there's something to this. I see a lot of people playing the shit out of some kind of 'white guilt' card these days. I think it's pretty sad, and pretty dumb, and I have several friends of darker skin tone that think this too.


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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: SARAtonin] * 4
    #26751248 - 06/17/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Some of you people questioning this seriously need to pick up a book.

Not only is it inarguably racist but it is sexist as well.

Let me explain why.

As previously touched upon its one of the biggest examples of the mammy archetype of a matronly black housekeeper widely popularized by the character Aunt Chloe in Harriet Beecher Stowe’s widely successful “Uncle Tom’s Cabin.” While it can not be disputed the attention to the abolitionist movement the book provided and fire to the movement it cultivated the book and Stowe herself were far from flawless, not only did the book promote samboism, but it refined the mammy archetype in the cultural mind if a rapidly industrializing America. It brought forth and normalized the thinking that the role of the black woman was household servitude. This saw its roots during slavery where black woman were not only subjected to the same harsh punishment as their male counterparts but with the addition of rape and other forms of sexual humiliation, but they were also expected to keep up with the men in the fields and tend to house and home during any free time they had at the end of the day, many women where forced to take their children into the fields with them. This stereotype was brought to a head after emancipation during the reconstructionist era when the throngs of free slaves were given little other economic options outside of sharecropping and domestic servitude. It’s here the mammy stereotype thrived as practically every house across the country, north and south, relied upon the long painstaking hours of black woman house keeper, a slave in all but name. The stereotype of the promiscuous black woman who “wanted it” comes from this period of the mammy archetype as it was expected that these “free” black housekeepers were to serve every sexual desire of not only the master of the household but his sons as well.

So ya, fuck aunt Jemima.



I understand, but it's not like there's anything to indicate anything. It's just a picture of a black lady. If I take a picture of a black man today and put it on a syrup bottle, I'd think it was pretty silly if someone 80 years from now was like, "This is a symbol of black oppression because blacks were being oppressed." It's not like Jemima is picking cotton or being chased by an angry mob. You really have to be trying to look for this shit to find it, it's like pareidolia for virtue signalling.


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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #26751250 - 06/17/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Where I live, it's super black. I lived in black neighborhoods. Real black people from generations of suppression DO NOT want white people acting like they can come in and help or lead their fights.


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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #26751269 - 06/17/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I think that if they saw a white chick explaning such detail about racism beyond what they care to decipher, they're gonna be offended that a white chick thinks she knows better what offends them.



I think there's something to this. I see a lot of people playing the shit out of some kind of 'white guilt' card these days. I think it's pretty sad, and pretty dumb, and I have several friends of darker skin tone that think this too.




One of my favorite people to talk to everyday when I come into work is this security guard. His name is Jack. Black dude. In his early 60's (but could pass for 40's). I haven't hung out with the guy yet but we plan on going to the horse races and/or the casinos once things get back on track (if they ever do...sigh). Anyway I consider the guy a friend, and every day he stops by for 30 to 45 minutes to talk.

We talk about everything from sports to entertainment to politics. He's one of those types of people who you can talk about anything with -- even if y'all disagree. Reallly, really awesome guy.

Anyway (sorry for the long winded setup btw), he has made crystal clear that he finds it laughable that the white social justice warrior type feels like they need to swoop in and be saviors for the black race. He personally thinks it's insulting. He tells me stories about random white employees who approach him here at the office building and tell him how they hate Donald Trump too, and do it with this look of empathy in their eyes for him. Reminded me of that white family in the movie Get Out. Again, and this is just one guy, but he told me he also finds that insulting coming from white people. Basically he doesn't need anybody to save him or anyone's sorrow. Especially from someone who's white :lol:

Gonna be interesting to see what his opinion is on this Aunt Jemima thing (he stops by faithfully everyday at around 2).


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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Niffla] * 2
    #26751278 - 06/17/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Pretty much the exact sentiment I hear from my friends that are black.

But hey, it's fucking fashionable these days for young people to cry about anything and everything.

F.A.S.H.I.O.N man. That shit sells.


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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Niffla]
    #26751280 - 06/17/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Here's a thought.

Let's delete the entire black history of America and start fresh as of.... now!


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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26751293 - 06/17/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I think that if they saw a white chick explaning such detail about racism beyond what they care to decipher, they're gonna be offended that a white chick thinks she knows better what offends them.



I think there's something to this. I see a lot of people playing the shit out of some kind of 'white guilt' card these days. I think it's pretty sad, and pretty dumb, and I have several friends of darker skin tone that think this too.




I like the part that Sara, as a woman, also touched upon the sexist stereotyping involved
but the response is a bunch of guys pointing out the white girl talking about black issues
as if they weren't in the midst of doing essentially the same sort of thing


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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: trees]
    #26751294 - 06/17/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I mean this shit goes way back down south. People don't get that they were meant to be caricatures and the same people that are outraged are the same ppl that were laughing at Dave Chappell and other rasict shit years ago. Some them were just meant to be the nice old black lady not even funny.
I get why but its like why wasn't this a problem until now if it was really a problem? Can we not have images of black women on products aunt Jemima is borderline questionable but flew for this long so wtf.







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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26751307 - 06/17/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The Aunt Jemima isnt stamping out racism. Since the white quaker oats guy is a racist logo by the same logic as Jemimas.

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I think that if they saw a white chick explaning such detail about racism beyond what they care to decipher, they're gonna be offended that a white chick thinks she knows better what offends them.



I think there's something to this. I see a lot of people playing the shit out of some kind of 'white guilt' card these days. I think it's pretty sad, and pretty dumb, and I have several friends of darker skin tone that think this too.




I like the part that Sara, as a woman, also touched upon the sexist stereotyping involved
but the response is a bunch of guys pointing out the white girl talking about black issues
as if they weren't in the midst of doing essentially the same sort of thing




Sexist? So all the TV commercials with women doing the laundry or dishwashing need to be extinguished to. Its all gotta go!

And men in the car or tool commercials, same thing, its gotta go!

From now on, only unisex animal characters will be used in laundry or dish soap commercials, because it's unhealthy to imagine even an effigy of a woman doing those tasks.

To think of it, humans need to stay off TV all together. Unisex animal characters only, from now on. That'll do the trick to stamp out sexism and racism and any other 'ism' that may be looming beyond our current sights.


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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Tantrika]
    #26751308 - 06/17/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I like the part that Sara, as a woman, also touched upon the sexist stereotyping involved
but the response is a bunch of guys pointing out the white girl talking about black issues
as if they weren't in the midst of doing essentially the same sort of thing




I don't even know how it's sexist though, Tantrika. Because it's an aunt who cooks? Virtually every aunt I have loves to cook. And they don't do it for a man, they do it because they enjoy it.

Whatever though, I really don't care. It's a logo of a syrup for fuck's sake :lol:

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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Niffla] * 3
    #26751312 - 06/17/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's not even real maple syrup either


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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Niffla] * 3
    #26751313 - 06/17/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

By this new logic, I'll have to go tell all my aunts and grand mothers that they will no longer be using the kitchen or any ammentities in the house because it's from a dark history of sexism and racism


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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: larry.fisherman] * 2
    #26751315 - 06/17/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I shuddered when pb described it as maple syrup.


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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: trees] * 2
    #26751317 - 06/17/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Sexist? So all the TV commercials with women doing the laundry or dishwashing need to be extinguished to. Its all gotta go!

And men in the car or tool commercials, same thing, its gotta go!

From now on, only unisex animal characters will be used in laundry or dish soap commercials, because it's unhealthy to imagine even an effigy of a woman doing those tasks.

To think of it, humans need to stay off TV all together. Unisex animal characters only, from now on. That'll do the trick to stamp out sexism and racism and any other 'ism' that may be looming beyond our current sights.




Like I said they better get on them Hungry Man TV dinners asap. That shit just reeks of toxic masculinity.

If they don't change that shit to Hungry Human I will take this shit straight to their CEO's front doorstep

:triggered:

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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: Niffla] * 4
    #26751327 - 06/17/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's more like...as a woman...you pretty much kind of disappear after a certain age. That's the pervasive feeling. Like when you're not sexy anymore all you can do is just go be old and take care of other people.

Really kind of sucks. And you are aware of it and feel it from a very young age, so it can make the whole process of adulthood after 25 particularly depressing.


Anyway, I know black people too :elmo: And they think all kinds of different things about a very large issue, because they're people and that's what people do :elmo::elmo:


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Re: Aunt Jemima syrup to be discontinued [Re: psi] * 2
    #26751332 - 06/17/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah I shuddered when pb described it as maple syrup.






I am sorry. My simple American brain uses 'maple syrup' 'sugar' and 'high fructose corn syrup' interchangeably at this point. I've had the real deal though and it really is a different animal.


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