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jimenezdavid47
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PFCakesToBulkSubstrate
#26751046 - 06/17/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you everyone for your replies. I appreciate it very much, and look forward to learning more from everyone.
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Colonization takes place anytime the mycelium has something to feed on. Imo don’t crumble cakes made from multispore. If there is a little bacteria in your ms solution (there usually is) and you crumble the cake it gives that bacteria an opportunity to take over before the myc can colonize. Just fruit them as cakes unless you used liquid culture or liquid inoculate. But this question definitely tells me that you need to be reading a shit ton more on this site. Keep reading everything you come across on here. Use the search function. And patience. Learn agar work ASAP. Hopefully this helps. I’m sure some smart mouthed mfr will comment some bs but ignore that and keep working towards the main goal. And have fun!
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Re: PFCakesToBulkSubstrate [Re: B21]
#26751074 - 06/17/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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As someone doing the same thing and a new grower - surely having a vermcoir 1:1 with spawn mitigates contamination risk? Plan to mix in a sterile aluminium tray allow to colonise and add an additional casing layer because it would be a waste not to (was free with grow bags) and to help with the posts Q -bigger bulk, more nutrients for mycelium bigger yields but also you dint want contams to overtake mycelium growth so remeber to pasteurized or sucralose substrate and use proportionally.
Edited by TrippaSnipper (06/17/20 08:55 AM)
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lefty24
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Your telling him don't do brf to bulk. To learn agar. Come on he just started.
You can certainly spawn brf to bulk and if done right you won't contam. I'm sorry but this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Re: PFCakesToBulkSubstrate [Re: lefty24]
#26751786 - 06/17/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you take BRF cakes to bulk, colonization will take place. Yield is usually better than fruiting the cakes. I used to do it into shoeboxes all the time. Crumble or shred the cakes and mix into coir. You can use cakes from MS, I’ve done it plenty with good results. Much more info here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24945782/page/7
Edited by RoscoeReturns (06/17/20 02:08 PM)
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Coir/verm does not mitigate risk of contamination: full colonization/ consolidation of the cakes do... inversely, breaking them up forces them to recover which could prevent a sick cake from performing at all when you might have gotten 1 flush had you left it alone...
otherwise healthy cakes have their own immune systems and are pretty safe to fruit as is, or spawn to bulk... if the cake contaminates, it will do so in bulk applications as well... if its clean, it will fruit either way... spawning to bulk has a few advantages: 1. Larger water resivoir, contributes to larger/more numerous fruit 2. Easier conditions maintenance 3. Larger surface area from which to fruit 4. No/little misting/fanning
I suggest agar as well: never too early to have clean culture... that's a silly statement all together, I'm sorry, but neither do you
Bucket tek coir only is by far the easiest and most effective bulk substrate... 1/4" top layer of coir only will help maintain surface conditions for a more set and forget experience
You guys invite insult with ignorance...
 If you dont know, dont assume to know...
Yield is highly dependent on genetics (multispore is fine), the amount of spawn, the amount of surface area. The type of tub, your local climate, how your home is heated and cooled etc... I think itd be safe to expect twice as much yield with the same number of cakes spawned to bulk instead of fruited as is
Edited by Caps McGee (06/17/20 02:27 PM)
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Re: PFCakesToBulkSubstrate [Re: lefty24]
#26751998 - 06/17/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
lefty24 said: Your telling him don't do brf to bulk. To learn agar. Come on he just started.
You can certainly spawn brf to bulk and if done right you won't contam. I'm sorry but this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
Never said don’t do brf. I definitely know what I’m talking about. I do this shit all the time boy
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Re: PFCakesToBulkSubstrate [Re: B21]
#26752039 - 06/17/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude... put the toxic masculinity back in your skirt, it doesn't compliment your eyes, at all...
Neither of you are qualified IMO to advise openly and flagrantly as you've done here... I ACTUALLY do this shit ALL the time, and I STILL dont speak in absolutes... humility would do you both some good, something more cultivation experience will give each of you: humility... the lack of? How I know you've still got shit to learn, just breathe broseefus: what bearing does his (or my for that matter) opinion of you have on your life in the long term? Escalated heart rate and blood pressure, literally taking time off your life over someone who's going to dismiss what you've written, bc of the tone of what you've written...
Mush love to you both, but DAYUMMM!
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Re: PFCakesToBulkSubstrate [Re: Caps McGee]
#26752064 - 06/17/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: Dude... put the toxic masculinity back in your skirt, it doesn't compliment your eyes, at all...
Neither of you are qualified IMO to advise openly and flagrantly as you've done here... I ACTUALLY do this shit ALL the time, and I STILL dont speak in absolutes... humility would do you both some good, something more cultivation experience will give each of you: humility... the lack of? How I know you've still got shit to learn, just breathe broseefus: what bearing does his (or my for that matter) opinion of you have on your life in the long term? Escalated heart rate and blood pressure, literally taking time off your life over someone who's going to dismiss what you've written, bc of the tone of what you've written...
Mush love to you both, but DAYUMMM!

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Re: PFCakesToBulkSubstrate [Re: B21]
#26752082 - 06/17/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was just saying that if your gonna do cakes ms, fruit them as cakes. Ime ms syringes aren’t always clean. A bacterial cake will fruit but if that cake got crumbled to bulk there would be no fruits. I tell every new person I come across to learn agar because it’s the fucking key. Drop that ms to agar, transfer, and use that agar to noc up cakes (sterile water/syringe) at the least. I don’t claim to know everything because I don’t. But I do know how to grow big ass tubs of shrooms and I am plenty experienced with cakes so I can offer the next man good advice. I wouldn’t point anyone in the wrong direction and I wouldn’t even comment if I didn’t have experience in what the op was talking about.
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Re: PFCakesToBulkSubstrate [Re: B21]
#26752113 - 06/17/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Any syringe is MS... not all MS are from syringes... you can inoculate agar with a syringe, clean it up and STILL have an MS culture... some of my best tubs are MS... if you mean he shouldn't use them bc they're direct inoculations, I'll concede that it comes with inherent risks, but these aren't increased by going to bulk: if the syringe is dirty, the cake is dirty, the sub is dirty... agar work is the easiest, fastest, and most cost effective way to isolate an intended culture and use it as inoculant... is MS a crapshoot when it comes to performance? Sure! But so are all untested clone cultures(which STILL contain hundreds, if not thousands of individual strains, and are technically still MS in my mind) maybe a clarification of terminology is all that's in order, and the reason why neither of you sound educated in the matter? (Not an insult, just so you know an outsider's perspective)
In any event, agar is a great tool regardless of your skill level... I was defending you initially lol... let's try to be civilized and not resort to "boy"isms shall we?
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