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Has anyone had a level 5 trip from 2g of mushrooms?
    #26750654 - 06/17/20 03:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Howdy Folks.

Man, I made a beginner's error - Haha! I recently tripped one 2g of subs from a new patch, and man, they kicked my ass. I guess I made at least 2 errors, actually.

Before that, some background. I have tripped approximately 5 times. Always alone. Always on about 1-2g of dried subs. Always for spiritual/therapeutic purposes.

The first mistake was not taking a test dose from this new patch. I thought that since I have had between 1 and 2 grams before, I would be fine to take 2 grams (seeing as I wanted an intense experience).

The second mistake piggy-backs on to the first one; I decided to try lemon tek for the first time, but with orange juice. I ground the mushrooms in my mortar and pestle, mixed them with orange juice and let it sit for 20 mins. Tasted great. Will probably try again in future.

The trip. My God. First of all, it came on much faster than previously,  which I expected, having read up on lemon tek. It was about 3 weeks ago, so it is not fresh in my mind, but I think within 30 mins I was on the bed and in a different world. My breathing slowed a lot and my nose ran  pretty badly into the back of my throat, kind of like when you hock a loogie or you have a really bad cold. I kept having to swallow what felt like streams of mucus. I was tripping super intensely, so much so that I would lose track of my experience and come to, very confused, after what seemed like an eternity wondering when I took my last breath. It was honestly an effort just to breathe, and I thought I could die. At the peak of the trip I had next to no motor skills and couldn't do anything except writhe around on the bed. The body load was like nothing I have ever felt. I was neither uncomfortable nor comfortable, but just feeling my body in this new and peculiar way.

For much of the trip I lay on my back and 'felt' where my consciousness is situated in my body, just behind the eyes. It was like it was the centre of the universe, the only still point in the swirling infinitude of Being. I felt almost totally disassociated from my body. I didn't have strong visuals with my eyes open, at least not like many of those I have read about. No one and nothing appeared to me, but there was a strong blur covering my vision which was made up of tiny geometric pieces with rainbows for borders. It was like a filter I was looking through and I couldn't focus on the shapes themselves. It got so strong that the only tether between my consciousness and my body was the distant, faint feeling that I needed to pee. It was a tiny speck in the periphery of my experience; my only tether to the world. I have no idea where I would have gone if not for my full bladder. I also had the sensation that my body had melted into the bedding I was laying on, or like I was lying in tar so that I couldn't move, and so it was difficult to know where my body ended and the bedding began.

During the peak I saw chunks of the past flash by me extremely quickly, like they were part of a 3d stream. I remember seeing what looked like a hunter gatherer in an ice age or from northern Europe, and felt a strong ancestral connection. I often think about my ancestors, and how I am the newest car added to the long train of life which stretches back nearly 4 billion years. I felt like I got to leave my car and fly over some of the cars behind me. It was magical. That is honestly one of the only parts of the trip that I remember well enough to describe.

In all of my past trips I have had some sense of control or connection to my experience, as in I could choose what I thought about (which has been extremely useful for sorting through some of my issues) or change the song on my phone. But this... man, it was keep your arms and legs inside the vehicle and hold the eff on. You're gonna break the sound barrier in a billy kart made of old wooden pallets and rusty nails and if you lean the wrong was, even slightly, that it. You're toast. I mean, the margin for error was so tiny, which was extremely difficult to handle, given that it felt like I was being blasted in the face with a fire hose. I had virtually zero control, and the consequences of a wrong step were enormous.

And I made a wrong step. Or, rather, I made the mistake of not putting my phone on 'Do not disturb', and mid-trip my Mum (with whom I have a long and difficult history) called. I was wearing my headphones and went from listening to music, which has helped to guide my trips in the past, to silence and then total confusion as I heard the abrasive tones of my mother talking to me. I kind of just freaked out and threw my headphones off, thinking I had called her. Anyway, this sudden shock was enough to make sure the next 2 hours of my life were spent in Hell. I've had bad trips before, so I know that I can ride them out and once I come down I will be fine (and I was a few hours later). Or, at least that is what I thought. On my last challenging trip, I had an epiphany of sorts whereby I realised that I can distance myself from those feelings and focus on the ability to feel instead (i.e. focus on just raw consciousness). I was essentially shown my 'self' or my 'soul', which gave me a lot of existential solace, as direct knowledge of your soul would! So, I know not to panic and just to take the experience for what it is, but this experience was so intense that my previous lesson wasn't enough to stop existential worries I thought I had dealt with years ago from resurfacing. I thought I had vanquished my demons, but I am now realising that they may be with me for life. I can make peace with them in time, but I was shown to be quite the naïve fool.

I'm glad it happened.

I have some questions: was this a level 5 trip? If so, has anyone ever had a level 5 trip from 2g of dried subs?


TL;DR n00b got his ass kicked. Wonders if he had level 5 trip from 2g of dried mushrooms.

God bless.

DLR


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Re: Has anyone had a level 5 trip from 2g of mushrooms? [Re: DeLaRiva]
    #26750671 - 06/17/20 04:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Subs can be fairly crazy but everyone is different. Some people have sensitivities to different psychedelics. Although from what I've seen p-subs tend to be fairly level across the playing field (providing one does lemon tek method and doesn't eat 5 hrs prior or 3 hrs after dosing etc)
Generally with myself and others I have tripped with 1g rarely causes a trip so to speak even with the most potent batches picked. 2g is good trip experience for most people and can be quite intense but for the head strong or experienced 'tripper' 3g of subs can be a whole other level again and every .25g-5g can add a whole different experience so to speak. Most people don't handle much past 3.5g of p-subs to well. Having said that I've trip with people who have had far more than that (generally it doesn't always go well). Again everyone is different.

Another thing that can dampen or amplify a trip is anti-depressants which is not a good idea to mix. MAOI meds will increase a trip and SSRI's can decrease the trip or at least visuals. And as most know having food can drastically reduce the effects of shrooms.

Having Said all that...sounds like it may have been close to a level 5 or 4, but the experience is hard to quantify into levels if you ask me. Everyone trips slightly different. Some get more intense visuals, some get more emotional some sit somewhere in between. I have a mate that on 2g literally hits the astral plane on shrooms and just lays on the ground head down in his own world for the whole tirp.


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Re: Has anyone had a level 5 trip from 2g of mushrooms? [Re: DeLaRiva]
    #26750800 - 06/17/20 06:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If it helps at all I had an (awesome) level 3 trip, with elements of level 4 on 1g of subs, so it seems entirely possible to me.  It was my first time tripping though... and I know my sensitivity is very high through experimenting with smaller doses.

It also sounds like you maybe had a case of woodlovers paralysis, which may have been what turned the trip bad for you.  I had very similar body feelings to you, I melted into the bed, only had a very vague, faraway sensation that I needed to pee.  Eventually the urge became strong enough after two hours and I eventually moved, but I was super unco when I did!

Also some people on one of the hunting threads have been throwing around the idea that subs found near wattle trees can be much more potent than others.  Do you remember if that was the case for this patch?


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Re: Has anyone had a level 5 trip from 2g of mushrooms? [Re: Nearwildheaven]
    #26750810 - 06/17/20 06:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Wattle trees, hmm will keep note.
I have a theory as it seems most that pick in the suburbs pick mostly p-subs (parks, tambark beds etc)but when picking say a state forest I'm wondering if more people are picking psilocybe cyanescens which are said to be stronger without realising.
I also have a theory on ones near stinging nettles and that native grass they grow around are stronger, they seem to blue like all fuck.


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Re: Has anyone had a level 5 trip from 2g of mushrooms? [Re: Tripliping]
    #26751398 - 06/17/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Subs are more potent than cubensis, so your 2g is comparable to like 3.5 or 4g.

Sure this is "out of body" territorry, for many.

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Re: Has anyone had a level 5 trip from 2g of mushrooms? [Re: Nearwildheaven]
    #26751900 - 06/17/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Nearwildheaven said:

It also sounds like you maybe had a case of woodlovers paralysis, which may have been what turned the trip bad for you.  I had very similar body feelings to you, I melted into the bed, only had a very vague, faraway sensation that I needed to pee.  Eventually the urge became strong enough after two hours and I eventually moved, but I was super unco when I did!

Also some people on one of the hunting threads have been throwing around the idea that subs found near wattle trees can be much more potent than others.  Do you remember if that was the case for this patch?




I hadn't heard of WP before, thank you. I agree - sounds like what I experienced.

I have heard of the wattle tree theory, but my understanding (which is puny) is that it is a particular species of wattle, which contains DMT in its roots, which is supposed to interact with the mushrooms. Is that correct?

I picked them in a state forest in Victoria. I'm terrible with botany, so I am not sure if there were wattles around (I was staring at the ground for most of the time, anyway :tongue:). I'll pay more attention next time I am out there.

God Bless.

DLR


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Re: Has anyone had a level 5 trip from 2g of mushrooms? [Re: Tripliping]
    #26751917 - 06/17/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Tripliping said:
Wattle trees, hmm will keep note.
I have a theory as it seems most that pick in the suburbs pick mostly p-subs (parks, tambark beds etc)but when picking say a state forest I'm wondering if more people are picking psilocybe cyanescens which are said to be stronger without realising.
I also have a theory on ones near stinging nettles and that native grass they grow around are stronger, they seem to blue like all fuck.




Interesting. Look, it's entirely possible I picked cyanescens... At this point I am only familiar enough with mushrooms to tell when they are psychoactive and from the psilocybe genus, but I know from bird watching how much variability there can be within the same species, and how many similarities there can be between species. It seems like mycology is even more cryptic!

Many of this batch were picked growing close to thick clumps of native grass, or else at the base of trees. I didn't notice a different in appearance or strength of bruising between the two.

I had also noticed that in this forest the mushrooms seem to grow close to the grass, but I was wondering if that was selection bias, since the grass likes to grow in the shady, low-lying areas in the forest, which is also where the mushrooms like to grow. Do you think they just like the same habitat, or do you think they have a symbiotic relationship?

For my benefit, can you please tell me what the diagnostic features of cyanscens vs subaeruginosa are?

Many thanks!

God bless.

DLR


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Re: Has anyone had a level 5 trip from 2g of mushrooms? [Re: Tripliping]
    #26751933 - 06/17/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Tripliping said:
Another thing that can dampen or amplify a trip is anti-depressants which is not a good idea to mix. MAOI meds will increase a trip and SSRI's can decrease the trip or at least visuals. And as most know having food can drastically reduce the effects of shrooms.





Interesting that you mention SSRIs... I'm not on any anti-depressants,and never have been, but I had taking ashwagandha and stopped quite soon before the trip (probably 2 weeks). As I understand it, it may have some effect on serotonin. Again, not a neuroscientist, so I don't know. Perhaps that had something to do with it.

Anyone have anything to add on ashwagandha?

God bless.

DLR


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Re: Has anyone had a level 5 trip from 2g of mushrooms? [Re: DeLaRiva]
    #26752078 - 06/17/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Unfamiliar with ashwagandha (but possibly). From personal accounts close to me SSRI's can dampen a trip even 6 months post ceasing medication (it seems to be quite heavy on the brain, especially if someone has been on a high dose for a long time) MAOI's (which amplify trips) on the other hand I don't know how long post medication. But medication seems to be an over looked factor for some.

Like i said its not just that native grass they grow by its the combination of when they grow next stinging nettles aswell, they blue unbelievably. (just a personal observation).

P-cyans (not to be confused with pan cyans) are very, very similar, same growing conditions but they tend to have wavier caps and thicker stems. As far as I'm aware.

I like the wattle and DMT theory though.


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