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Will This Do The Same As Lions Mane? (Hericium novae-zealandiae)
    #26750414 - 06/17/20 12:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I am extremely new to the world of mushrooms. However I am highly interested in growing some 'Lions Mane' for its medicinal properties. Upon scouring a few New Zealand websites for grow kits I stumbled across a website selling spawn made from organic grain/sawdust. Noticing that you can choose it too be populated with Hericium novae-zealandiae.

My question is does Hericium novae-zealandiae have the same medicinal qualities? I am so new to this that a simple google search doesn't really unveil any info into my question. So I would love answers or discussion.


I found a website that states that it has the same benefits, but I am not convinced as there is such a lack of info.
Here: https://www.mycologic.nz/commonly-cultivated-species


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Re: Will This Do The Same As Lions Mane? (Hericium novae-zealandiae) [Re: Berry]
    #26750453 - 06/17/20 01:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Lions Mane is Hericium novae-zealandiae isnt it? I'm pretty sure they are... If that's the case, yes same benefits.


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Re: Will This Do The Same As Lions Mane? (Hericium novae-zealandiae) [Re: Aeser]
    #26757320 - 06/19/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Lions Mane is Hericium novae-zealandiae isnt it? I'm pretty sure they are... If that's the case, yes same benefits.




I believe that they are probably just synonyms of Hericium coralloides. I think H. ramosum and H. abietis. The common names being coral fungus.


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Re: Will This Do The Same As Lions Mane? (Hericium novae-zealandiae) [Re: DigitalRhizae]
    #26757697 - 06/19/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No, Hericium novae-zealandiae is a distinct species indigenous to New Zealand, it was published as a new species last year.

I have no idea about the active constituents but probably similar to other Hericium species.


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Re: Will This Do The Same As Lions Mane? (Hericium novae-zealandiae) [Re: inski]
    #26762433 - 06/21/20 07:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That is great news about its publication as it was overdue.
It had been lumped with coralloides despite it being clear to observers that there were two different organisms were being observed (from NZ to Tasmania).
See the Atlas of Living Australia (https://www.ala.org.au) for images of finds and herbarium notes (under coralloides).

However, when I go to Index Fungorum (2019:400), which says it was effectively published, I cannot find any reference to a paper (or to molecular work) which actually established the legitimacy of the taxa being renamed. The new name is said to be effectively published (in that publication) but it was based on Colenso's name from 1889 that does not appear to have been accepted prior to that 2019 publication.
See Smith & Cooper 2019. Nomenclatural novelties. Index Fungorum, 400:1-1.
http://www.indexfungorum.org/Publications/Index%20Fungorum%20no.400.pdf

I also noticed that there were three papers on its chemistry and pharmacology in 2019:

Chen et al. 2019. Development and validation of an HPLC-DAD-MS method for determination of four nucleoside compounds in the New Zealand native mushroom Hericium sp. Food Chemistry, 278:729–737. doi: 10.1016/j.foodchem.2018.11.115.
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.foodchem.2018.11.115
In this work the authors comment the species had yet to be named.

Chen et al. 2019 Assessment of In Vitro Bioactivities of Polysaccharides Isolated From Hericium Novae-Zealandiae. Antioxidants, 8(7):211 (32 page e-article). doi: 10.3390/antiox8070211.
sci-hub.tw/10.3390/antiox8070211

Chen et al. 2019. Characterization of the bioactivities of an ethanol extract and some of its constituents from the New Zealand native mushroom Hericium novae-zealandiae. Food & Function, 10(10):6633-6643. doi: 10.1039/c9fo01672d.
sci-hub.tw/10.1039/c9fo01672d
This paper states "Recent phylogenetic studies distinguished the NZ species as distinct and indigenous". No reference is included with this statement but under the combination they refer to Smith & Cooper who appear to have established Colenso's name as being a valid description. 
Smith & Cooper appear to make no reference to phylogenetic work.
What am I missing?

I DO like the conclusion but would like to locate the actual phylogenetic work and where it was published.

I'd love to obtain a culture of this should anyone hear of a source.


Edited by NPoB (06/21/20 09:15 AM)


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Re: Will This Do The Same As Lions Mane? (Hericium novae-zealandiae) [Re: NPoB]
    #26763080 - 06/21/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

In trying to dig farther into this I ran into a couple of concerning points.
One I mentioned earlier which is the publication of this name appears to be a renaming of a published taxon but it renames one that was previously not accepted with no indication of the basis upon which it became accepted.
The other is the place of "effective publication" is lacking 1) a description, 2) indication of phylogenetic work occurring or where the details can be found, and more disturbingly specifying any corresponding author.
This renaming is actually concerning in those deficiencies. I'd like very much to buy it as being valid but right now there are some unresolved questions that need answers.


Edited by NPoB (06/21/20 01:53 PM)


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Re: Will This Do The Same As Lions Mane? (Hericium novae-zealandiae) [Re: NPoB]
    #26773804 - 06/22/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

To update this. In digging farther yesterday it appears that the actual data supporting this is based on unpublished molecular work and only the name change was published although I've also just heard the data is in Genbank. Validating the name was long overdue.


Edited by NPoB (06/22/20 08:56 AM)


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