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Bulk substrate ingredient proportions
    #26748824 - 06/16/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I have acquired the following ingredients for my bulk substrate and would like to know what is the ideal proportions of each

- coconut coir
- vermiculite
- gypsum
- coffee grinds
- horse manure
- peat
- vermicompost
- straw

I have plenty experience growing but this time I will attempt to use a more diverse bulk substrate to increase yield/potency


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Re: Bulk substrate ingredient proportions [Re: Mycostotle]
    #26748859 - 06/16/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

you don't need ALL that shit.


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Re: Bulk substrate ingredient proportions [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26748915 - 06/16/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Coir:verm, 75:25, 50:50 is good all you are going to do is increase your contam vectors by adding more things that don't need to be added.


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Re: Bulk substrate ingredient proportions [Re: MH5109]
    #26748936 - 06/16/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Coir:verm, 75:25, 50:50 is good all you are going to do is increase your contam vectors by adding more things that don't need to be added.



When I did that, everybody complained the mishrooms are too low potency


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Re: Bulk substrate ingredient proportions [Re: Mycostotle]
    #26748946 - 06/16/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Mycostotle said:
I have acquired the following ingredients for my bulk substrate and would like to know what is the ideal proportions of each

- coconut coir
- vermiculite
- gypsum
- coffee grinds
- horse manure
- peat
- vermicompost
- straw

I have plenty experience growing but this time I will attempt to use a more diverse bulk substrate to increase yield/potency





KISS, keep It simple....

Why add all that nitrogen...? Do you enjoy feeding the microbes...?


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Re: Bulk substrate ingredient proportions [Re: micelio]
    #26749115 - 06/16/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Potency isn't affected by the substrate, at least not any appreciable level that i've seen. You can grow face melting mushrooms on straight coir, or even vermiculite, or just from uncased grains though the yield would be very small.

If you want more potent mushrooms try growing one of the PE varieties or you'll have to take a few clones from an MS grow and then grow those out until you find one that's strong enough.

When you grow from multispore inoculation you get a variety of genetics and can end up with some potent, some weak mushrooms etc. Theres a pretty 'standard' level of cube potency but sometimes you'll grow some cubes that are just bunk (i never have but have seen a few on here, i think it's rare) and other times you'll get some ridiculous mushrooms that scare you. It's those that you want to find and clone but you have to have saved some tissue before eating one (if it's big enough for a trip itself) or you have to take clones and wait until they grow out to test them and see how potent.

So coir/verm about 80/20 or so is the simplest because you can prep it however you like without worry. Serious growers on here use that or even just straight coir exclusively with killer results. If you decide to use coffee grinds in there or you use hpoo or straw or something then it will have to be properly pasteurized. Which isn't a bad thing if you can do it correctly and are willing to put the time in.


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Re: Bulk substrate ingredient proportions [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26749169 - 06/16/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:whathesaid:

although, i think it's common knowledge that manure does almost consistently increase potency.


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Re: Bulk substrate ingredient proportions [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26749276 - 06/16/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I’ve never heard that. I could be wrong but if sub affected potency everyone would use manure.

If you got weak shrooms it’s from weak genetics. The effort would be better spent on testing clones and finding potent genetics rather than prepping sub.


I’m pretty sure people ran side by side tests with coir and manure/straw and there was no difference yield/potency wise.


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Re: Bulk substrate ingredient proportions [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26749325 - 06/16/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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:whathesaid:

although, i think it's common knowledge that manure does almost consistently increase potency.



Yea this is not common knowledge. Its also not even true as far as I know. I have had times where HM grown cubes came out alot more potent than coir but no way in hell it can be narrowed down to the substrate.
I will say this. The absolute strongest cubes I have ever grown were in soil supplemented with compost. They took over 3 months to finally fruit. I dont remember how long but I remember giving up on them thinking they wouldnt fruit. They finally did and I split like a gram maybe 2 with a buddy. I had a very bad trip my buddy lost his mind and had someone take him to the hospital before deciding he was just trippen and going back home. I remember we both thought we wouldn't get much out of it from such a low dose.
Long story short. I have no proof but am a firm believer that long consolidation periods lead to more potent mushrooms. Every time I've had a tub takes its sweet ass time I notice a little extra punch is packed into the mushrooms.


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Re: Bulk substrate ingredient proportions [Re: A.k.a]
    #26749352 - 06/16/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

People have romantic visions of poop growing awesome cubes since they grow on it naturally, at least I did when I first started. My first tubs i did with hpoo I was ready for them to explode with larger and more badass mushrooms. One exploded with trich and the other looked just like every other tub with a decent MS flush, then fruit flies infested it and trich showed up lol.

I eventually got a good pasteurization method down and grew some more with poo since i had wild horses nearby. I didn't do any side by side or anything and they were all MS but they grew just like with coir.


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Re: Bulk substrate ingredient proportions [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26749373 - 06/16/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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People have romantic visions of poop growing awesome cubes since they grow on it naturally, at least I did when I first started. My first tubs i did with hpoo I was ready for them to explode with larger and more badass mushrooms. One exploded with trich and the other looked just like every other tub with a decent MS flush, then fruit flies infested it and trich showed up lol.

I eventually got a good pasteurization method down and grew some more with poo since i had wild horses nearby. I didn't do any side by side or anything and they were all MS but they grew just like with coir.



Man I wish I had a good source for local horse poo. Everyone has them around here but they either dont speak english or look at you funny as hell when you ask. I cant find a good shit source short of trasspassing and im not doing that lol.


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Re: Bulk substrate ingredient proportions [Re: Mycostotle]
    #26749385 - 06/16/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Just coir and verm man, tried and true, and just simple and basic. The only extra ingredient I add is gypsum and that's all. No need to over complicate things for your bulk sub. I have even noticed a trend with some just running straight coir and nothing else.


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Re: Bulk substrate ingredient proportions [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26749418 - 06/16/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Gizmo how much did you take from the sub that took forever??

For lagm I ran a pesa shoebox that took like 32 days to pin. I haven’t tried them yet but I remember thinking man if these finally fruit they’ll probably be mind benders.

I grew a Burma clone that would take like three weeks to pin and then twice as long as normal to mature and they were crazy potent too. Definitely something to the time=potency thing imo.


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Re: Bulk substrate ingredient proportions [Re: A.k.a]
    #26749449 - 06/16/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I've been wondering about cubes that take a long time to mature being potent (not from shitty conditions or contamination). I remember reading something about the active chemicals being for defense. Like I wonder if theres a genetic code in there that says 'im gonna grow slow and be super f'n mean' and others might be faster or normal and just rock the normal amount of protection. It probably doesnt actually work that way but it seems cool.


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Re: Bulk substrate ingredient proportions [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26749485 - 06/16/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That would make sense in a way. Like if you have a crazy quick lifecycle you’re less likely to encounter something fatal.

A shroom that pops up grows and dumps spores in a few days would need less protection than one that’s exposed for two weeks taking its time.


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Re: Bulk substrate ingredient proportions [Re: A.k.a]
    #26750271 - 06/16/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Gizmo how much did you take from the sub that took forever??

For lagm I ran a pesa shoebox that took like 32 days to pin. I haven’t tried them yet but I remember thinking man if these finally fruit they’ll probably be mind benders.

I grew a Burma clone that would take like three weeks to pin and then twice as long as normal to mature and they were crazy potent too. Definitely something to the time=potency thing imo.




Shit I don't remember man it wasn't much at all.


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