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Anonymous #8

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26749181 - 06/16/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What taxes do they pay aside from unavoidable sales and property taxes?


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Anonymous #2

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #26749187 - 06/16/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Income taxes

And sales & property taxes are TAXES


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Anonymous #2

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26749194 - 06/16/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This is what happens when you get your information from bigoted memes


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Anonymous #8

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26749226 - 06/16/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

They are two types of taxes which are unavoidable regardless of citizenship. What about estate tax, income tax and payroll tax? As far as I can see at the moment, the question really is whether or not the contribution of illegal immigrants, in the form of the unavoidable taxes, is at least equal to the funds that they use in public services.

I’m not looking for an argument. Would you agree that a person should contribute as much resource into a system as they utilize from that system? In this case, $100 worth of sales tax is equal to $100 worth of education.


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Anonymous #8

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #26749264 - 06/16/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

According to Merriam-Webster - bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

Maybe I’m wrong, but I think that we all have bias derived from our own experiences. It is important that we stay open minded enough to constantly challenge and accept criticism of our own worldview. The ideal, I believe, is to be able to view, hopefully, accurate statistics and to then draw one’s own independent conclusion. Relying upon other people’s opinion is, in my opinion, lazy thinking. I also think that it is beneficial to not make assumptions about people we do not know personally.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #26749267 - 06/16/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Jesus Christ

As I already said VERY plainly, they also pay INCOME taxes, both state and federal, and are a net BENEFIT.

But no, I most certainly wouldn't agree that people should only be eligible to benefit from the system to the amount they've personally contributed in taxes. I care about people's NEEDS because I have a functioning empathetic response. If I see a hungry child, I want to feed it- I don't care how much it's paid in taxes. It's really just that simple for us non-psychopaths


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Anonymous #9

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #26749284 - 06/16/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Right wingers are 100% welcome here, feel free to post :thumbup:

I love and believe in the right to bear arms, lower taxes (for both individuals and businesses), smaller government, less regulation, less red tape, fewer laws and more freedom, more support for business and small business, the importance of family, the importance of preserving the innocence of childhood and protecting children, free speech, lowering the national debt, all sorts of stuff that conservatives believe in.


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Anonymous #8

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26749293 - 06/16/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
But no, I most certainly wouldn't agree that people should only be eligible to benefit from the system to the amount they've personally contributed in taxes. I care about people's NEEDS because I have a functioning empathetic response. If I see a hungry child, I want to feed it. It's really just that simple for us non-psychopaths




That’s a good point. I’m genuinely curious, how do you envision an utopian society? Yes, there are people who are born into situations which are difficult to rise out of, and I agree that there should be systems in place which provide them the opportunity to change their fate.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #26749306 - 06/16/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I don't envision a utopian society


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Anonymous #10

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26749466 - 06/16/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
:lolwut:
Undocumented immigrants pay taxes. They're a net benefit in the US



Not true, I believe they are actually a drag on the system until the 2nd generation. Explain how they file taxes. Educate my dumbass.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #10]
    #26749494 - 06/16/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What you believe is irrelevant to what is true. I said they are a NET benefit. Perhaps you don't know what "net" means? And I'm not interested in educating a dumbass, in detail, on a shroom forum. There a number of ways they go about handling that. Google it


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Anonymous #6

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #2] * 1
    #26749503 - 06/16/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It’s difficult to be taxed when you get paid under the table.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #26749531 - 06/16/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, no shit. Obviously a whole lot of undocumented immigrants aren't being paid under the table.

Seriously, guys. It literally takes 30 seconds to run a Google search


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Anonymous #6

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26749601 - 06/16/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Google likes to censor news now.  Anyone hear about that?  Apparently anything right isn’t welcome there either.


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Anonymous #10

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #2] * 1
    #26749615 - 06/16/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
What you believe is irrelevant to what is true. I said they are a NET benefit. Perhaps you don't know what "net" means? And I'm not interested in educating a dumbass, in detail, on a shroom forum. There a number of ways they go about handling that. Google it



Typical response from a far lefty, when you can’t even explain your own views, that’s a problem. Or saying you don’t have to because of this or that, that’s a red flag and you are just another drone taking orders from wherever you guys get you news. You know you’re wrong but you just love to act life you’re so evolved and better than everyone, but yet you can’t explain why you’re better, you just think you are. I hate to break it to you the rest of us are laughing at you because you sound retarded. And yes I use the word retarded, get over it.


Edited by Anonymous (06/16/20 05:26 PM)


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Anonymous #11

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #26749635 - 06/16/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #8 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #4 said:
Anti immigration people are immigrants themselves.

Brain tax.




I would think it to be already implied that a person undergoing emigration is navigating the due process established by the country in order to become legally naturalized. Yes, America is founded by immigrants; however, it is inferred that the immigrant families underwent the legal processes of the country to which they emigrated.

It is not rational thinking to assume that if you were to buy a one-way ticket to France, and overstay your visa, that you and your children can use the public services, such as health care and academia, free of charge after having not contributed to the taxes that fund the public services. Idealism has its place, but let’s also be sensible. All services require capital investment in order to exist. No investment, no service.



American process for becoming naturalized

Kill the natives and steal their land. Give it back as a kick in the nuts gesture


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Anonymous #2

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #10]
    #26749673 - 06/16/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Lots of undocumented immigrants pay income taxes, you fucking idiot. It's a plain fact. I personally know undocumented immigrants who pay income taxes and it can be verified with a simple Google search. Go fuck yourself you wilfully ignorant fool. The way you feel about me has no bearing on these facts


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Anonymous #11

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26749707 - 06/16/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I've employed undocumented immigrants and they all paid income tax :shrug:


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Anonymous #11

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #11]
    #26749710 - 06/16/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

But income tax should be abolished


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Anonymous #8

Re: Why are right wingers not welcome here? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26749713 - 06/16/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I hate to sound naive, but, would it be possible that the forum be used for civil dialogue? A healthy debate is one in which both sides meet with mutual respect as they present and defend their view. Defining a person by their ideas prevents one from seeing the other’s shared humanity. Self righteousness leads to blindness.


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