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Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics.
#26748081 - 06/16/20 02:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm currently in the process of developing a survey about psychedelic use that I will be using for my master's thesis. Right now I am trying to formulate a list of reasons why people may use psychedelics so that people can rank which of the reasons most apply to their personal use.
The current state of this question goes like this:
Please rank order the most important reasons you use psychedelics with 1 being the most important and larger numbers being less important. Different reasons can have the same ranking. If a reason doesn't apply to you score it 0 (zero).
This is followed by
"Religious or Spiritual Practice", "Self-Exploration", "For Fun", "For inspiration", "To help treat mental illness", "To help treat addiction".
Each of these has a little box that a person can type in a number to rank them.
Are there any additional reasons that you think I should include that are general enough to apply to a broad range of psychedelic users and at the same time be encapsulated in a few words?
I find talking about it helps a lot more than me trying to just spontaneously invent reasons on my own.
Thanks! 
Edit: There will be text box where individuals can include their own reasons for use and rank them if I'm missing an important reason they use them.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: Cosmicpolitan]
#26748093 - 06/16/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can't think of any other reason tbh. What's your master's in, if you don't mind me asking?
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: strawkat]
#26748102 - 06/16/20 02:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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My master's is a Master of Science in Psychology. In terms of my thesis it currently has three main aims which are
- To explore how aspects of naturalistic / recreational psychedelic use precipitate change in individuals' beliefs, attitudes, behaviour and world view.
- To identify commonalities and differences between naturalistic / recreational settings and clinical settings.
- To explore how transformations in a user's self-concept or self-identity, attributed to psychedelic use, have impacted their lives
I hoped that I could help provide additional information to the academic study of psychedelics while at the same time getting deeper into this area. I'm planning to become a clinical psychologist and would like to have the option to provide psychedelic therapies. So, this study is both exposing me more to the knowledge, beliefs and practices of the psychedelic community so I can be more informed in my practice if I ever get the chance while also completing my masters. Seems like a win win to me.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: Cosmicpolitan] 1
#26748318 - 06/16/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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A lot of people may get a bit touchy with “for fun”! I trip for fun, have done for almost 35 years, but my interpretation of “for fun” is more,like “self-exploration”, or “exploring consciousness”.
I suppose you need to get an overall picture of who uses psychedelics and for what reason(s); so wouldn’t “to get fucked up” be a more appropriate category or more accurate than “for fun”, then add in “exploration” and others along those lines....It would then filter out those people teens to mid 20s, who will explore lots of drugs regardless of any of the reasons you quoted, just for fun. I could be disrespecting a few of our younger members here, but I’m sure they’d concur. Michael Pollan said that psychedelics are wasted on the young!
I would also highly recommend Michael Pollan: How to Change Your Mind. I believe it will help your thesis significantly.
Go for it OP, good luck DJ Ed
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: Cosmicpolitan]
#26748329 - 06/16/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cosmicpolitan said: I'm currently in the process of developing a survey about psychedelic use that I will be using for my master's thesis. Right now I am trying to formulate a list of reasons why people may use psychedelics so that people can rank which of the reasons most apply to their personal use.
The current state of this question goes like this:
Please rank order the most important reasons you use psychedelics with 1 being the most important and larger numbers being less important. Different reasons can have the same ranking. If a reason doesn't apply to you score it 0 (zero).
This is followed by
"Religious or Spiritual Practice", "Self-Exploration", "For Fun", "For inspiration", "To help treat mental illness", "To help treat addiction".
Each of these has a little box that a person can type in a number to rank them.
Are there any additional reasons that you think I should include that are general enough to apply to a broad range of psychedelic users and at the same time be encapsulated in a few words?
I find talking about it helps a lot more than me trying to just spontaneously invent reasons on my own.
Thanks! 
Edit: There will be text box where individuals can include their own reasons for use and rank them if I'm missing an important reason they use them.
I would also suggest that some people ironically use psychedelics because taking them is a big part of their on and offline identities/reputations.
I know personally when I was younger, although my motivation was multifaceted (boredom probably the main reason) and never straightforward I was definitely originally attracted to my own romantic conceptions of psychedelic drugs and users, childishly imagining that by using psychedelics I too would become (cool) like John Lennon or Aldous Huxley etc.
After trying psychedelics and experiencing something far beyond what normal people could ever hope to even imagine, I naturally began equating and associating myself with the experience itself!
It was a very perilous motivation to posses though, as it would humiliatingly of course be annihilated along with my ego whenever I tripped! But in the weeks and months after tripping it would all build up again, and the cycle would repeat.
This was a dangerous motivation to have when I was a teenager though because at that time I shouldn't really have been using psychedelics (was in a bad place mentally/socially) but narcissistically kept clinging onto the identity (it was all I had I guess) continuing to trip when psychologically I shouldn't have been doing so.
Just goes to show how a person really shouldn't use them unless he has his shit together, and I did in fact eventually experience a psychotic break and hospitalization!
I 'm not sure 'ego' is a motivation many are likely to admit to (so it might not be much good on a survey) but I do believe many psychedelic users possess this same sense of pride in their own (psychedelic) identities/reputations, and it is a contributing albeit often unconscious reason for using.
They can make a person feel very special!
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: Cosmicpolitan] 1
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#26748371 - 06/16/20 07:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I use them as a spiritual reset to clarify my path going forward.They are a true medicine that cuts the static and tunes in my heart so that I can put the right foot forward.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: Thayendanegea]
#26748389 - 06/16/20 07:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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ur wasting your time
try them for yourself and you will learn that psychology is bullshit and your life is a big lie.
Start with morning glory seeds then mushrooms then DMT
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: Cosmicpolitan]
#26748403 - 06/16/20 07:35 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: Cosmicpolitan]
#26748611 - 06/16/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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re-connection is a big theme for me. as in the Latin 'religare' the root (word) of religion - reconnecting with the extra layers that complete my self.
the epitome of it is achieved with a small hit of salvia (350mics of salvinorin-A) with effects at the vivid level (check out the salvia scale of effects ) for ~3 to 5 minutes minutes:
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S – SUBTLE effects, Relaxation and increased sensual appreciation may be noted. This mild level is useful for meditation and may facilitate sexual pleasure. A – ALTERED perception, colors and textures are paid attention to. Thinking becomes less logical, and more playful. L – LIGHT visionary state. Closed eye visuals (clear imagery with eyes closed). V – VIVID visionary state. Complex three dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. With eyes closed you experience fantasies. So long as your eyes are closed you may believe they are really occurring. I – IMMATERIAL existence. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with the Divine. A – AMNESIC effects. Loss of consciousness. The individual may fall, or remain immobile or thrash around. Dangerous!
I do not prefer going deeper than that, but usually I have some exposure to those more intense layers -Immaterial- and -Amnesia-, at least briefly. I do not find any trips consistently just at only one level of layering but predominantly -V- is what I prefer. (sometimes I can count 15 discrete layers to it)
lsd in the right circumstances and at the right dose stretches that Vivid layered experience out for 3 hours at least for me.
My assessment is that it slows down the fading of signals reaching the cerebral cortex which normally enter as a neural pulse-train that lasts 1/15th of a second. Since the slightly overlapping pulse trains last longer when stoned, the result is layering of moments of experience - subjectively time is stretched and compressed or stacked, the previous few seconds still exist fresh while not quite fading yet the current moment also co-exist. the co-existence of moments allows for conflicting ideas and feelings to be accommodated as one thing.
that things may merge is therapeutic and inspiring; and multilayered experiencing is both kaleidoscopic and encompassing.
good luck with your integration of random comments from the community, and with making a meaningful dent in the seamless materials of science.
I am a frequent user of moderate dosage, and while it is partly habit, or persona, it is also part of what I think is a healthy regime (for me). It's personal and may not work well for others.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: wolf8312]
#26748673 - 06/16/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your start into the psychedelic realms sounds exactly like mine; you could have been describing my reasons. The first time I reached the headspace, those timeless transcendent moments, it felt I’d come home. I then proceeded to abuse psychedelics (lsd and mushrooms) for 2 years. The psych ward got me away from psychedelics for years. As I matured, I was always still lured back. Here I am, hopefully much wiser and more respectful with my advancing years !
Take care DJ Ed
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: redgreenvines]
#26748717 - 06/16/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Surveys, a way to measure things to produce information upon which to make decisions, is a science. I used to create/deploy surveys in the public health environment for use in strategic planning. I'm MBA/CQM, a quality management nut, and planning systems I developed 20 years ago are still being used today. So, my advice is to do your research on how to develop effective and efficient surveys right up front, otherwise you'll expend a ton of time an other resources to produce nothing but anecdotal information. Your biggest challenge is going to be aggregation of feedback based on subjective experiences.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: DJ Ed]
#26748801 - 06/16/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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DJ Ed said: Your start into the psychedelic realms sounds exactly like mine; you could have been describing my reasons. The first time I reached the headspace, those timeless transcendent moments, it felt I’d come home. I then proceeded to abuse psychedelics (lsd and mushrooms) for 2 years. The psych ward got me away from psychedelics for years. As I matured, I was always still lured back. Here I am, hopefully much wiser and more respectful with my advancing years !
Take care DJ Ed
I kinda had two phases. The first my teenage years which was a rise and fall kind of experience, from the fearless early days of calm waters and steady sailing, to later ship wrecks, and frenzied insanity (literally)...
Later though as I got things together (job, house, gf etc) and healed, I returned, and started using them more responsibly. Well...there were still some close calls (and in truth I was nowhere nearly fully healed and doubt I ever will/can be) due to stupid doses (and cannabis) so more likely I'd say my more responsible use actually started around the second time I went to full on hyperspace for a full 2 hours! After that I bought a scale!
Thanks to Anahuasca as well I also around that time learned better how to handle the psychedelic experience in general and surrender etc. Psychosis and delusions had taught me how to hold on for dear life, and no matter what I heard/saw never to move or react, so that was also helpful.
I look back at some of my trips with awe and wonder. Kinda like Walter White said I was alive! Even the ones that scared the living shit out of me (except for one which truly was demonic evil and almost literally hell itself).
I have an Aya journey ready to go but never really get round to it. Fear if I'm honest but then that never used to stop me...
Coming down from peak light speed hyperspace was the greatest single high and experience of my life (nothing beats hyperspace when you actually have control and are not afraid) but once I became a father I became a bit more hesitant realizing that there could be no more DMT extractions, or mushroom growing etc.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: InfraredRick]
#26748820 - 06/16/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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good to poke about before concretizing questions, I have seen too many surveys that are very rigorous about an extreme subset of psychedelic interest, such as: either therapy, or religious experience, or entertainment, or personal development, or demystification of intoxication... get an overview, consider the ideas, then formulate what you think are good questions to ask in a formal way.
often the language of surveys channels the participant too forcefully. it can be tedious and it can make the participant seem to say things that they do not even think.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: Cosmicpolitan]
#26749310 - 06/16/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cosmicpolitan said: My master's is a Master of Science in Psychology. In terms of my thesis it currently has three main aims which are
- To explore how aspects of naturalistic / recreational psychedelic use precipitate change in individuals' beliefs, attitudes, behaviour and world view.
- To identify commonalities and differences between naturalistic / recreational settings and clinical settings.
- To explore how transformations in a user's self-concept or self-identity, attributed to psychedelic use, have impacted their lives
I hoped that I could help provide additional information to the academic study of psychedelics while at the same time getting deeper into this area. I'm planning to become a clinical psychologist and would like to have the option to provide psychedelic therapies. So, this study is both exposing me more to the knowledge, beliefs and practices of the psychedelic community so I can be more informed in my practice if I ever get the chance while also completing my masters. Seems like a win win to me.
Well, these are all the kind of things you can measure or quantify in some way. OTOH there are some aspects to psychedelic use (in my own experience with mushrooms and the experience of others that I've come across) that are non-quantifiable. Reorganization of basic perceptual modalities that subsume user's self-perception entirely by altering the very structures upon which those perceptions are supposedly constructed.
Perhaps these aspects only show up at dosages higher than typically used in studies, or only with extended usage however.
IOW studies seem only ever to be looking at the short term aspects, interesting as they may be to researchers - the low hanging fruit. When all along, just out of reach, are the really useful and world changing properties.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26749405 - 06/16/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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this shit isn't scientific at all
this is some paranormal activity level shit
not for the balled headed
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: jarjarbic]
#26749458 - 06/16/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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temple balled headed scientists qualify. however I agree with primal that we have a definition issue, or language problem: many experiences seem to defy articulation in words.
in fact there may be several categories of experience that can be listed that defy articulation in words.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: jarjarbic]
#26749526 - 06/16/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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jarjarbic said: this shit isn't scientific at all
this is some paranormal activity level shit
not for the balled headed
You mean they can't study it or shouldn't? 
If they only study stuff that is obvious then they only produce obvious studies. 
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redgreenvines said: temple balled headed scientists qualify. however I agree with primal that we have a definition issue, or language problem: many experiences seem to defy articulation in words.
in fact there may be several categories of experience that can be listed that defy articulation in words.
So the question would be "Describe the things that can't be described?"
It is however, at least theoretically, possible to do fMRI brain imaging on people undergoing inexpressible modifications in their conscious perception (sounds like a Shpongle album title) but it doesn't seem to have been done yet. Hence the "low hanging fruit".
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Cosmicpolitan said: I find talking about it helps a lot more than me trying to just spontaneously invent reasons on my own.
To the OP - have you personally experienced, or do you plan to experience, the sort of psychedelic usage you are wanting to research?
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26749578 - 06/16/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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they can't study this cuz then they come to dumb ass conclusions based on books written by old people with mommy issues and spread bullshit ignorance.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26749582 - 06/16/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cosmicpolitan, have you ever eaten 5 grams of dried psychedelic mushrooms - or any amount? At least once - for science?
It could be beneficial in aiding you on your endeavor... doing so would be akin to receiving a life changing insight via insider trading on the stonk market.
Something, more or less, to that effect.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: PrimalSoup] 1
#26749667 - 06/16/20 05:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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fmri imaging experiments are operating on the slow level of metabolism. It's longer than 30 minutes/picture - not the rapid flux and interplay of experiencing in real time.
We need some new high resolution picture accumulation at least one 3-d image every 1/15 th of a second, as the contents of the mind are swiftly unfolding or sparkling making significant connections at that rate.
And we want those picture to be about electrical field activity so each 3-d pixel should have a fairly accurate depiction of electrical field energy as it animates over the crenelated surface of the cerebral cortex.
3-d movies of experimentally organized thinking (normal and entheogenized) would help a lot towards developing a vocabulary of experiencing.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: redgreenvines]
#26749709 - 06/16/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That would be incredible.
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#26749790 - 06/16/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: fmri imaging experiments are operating on the slow level of metabolism. It's longer than 30 minutes/picture - not the rapid flux and interplay of experiencing in real time.
We need some new high resolution picture accumulation at least one 3-d image every 1/15 th of a second, as the contents of the mind are swiftly unfolding or sparkling making significant connections at that rate.
And we want those picture to be about electrical field activity so each 3-d pixel should have a fairly accurate depiction of electrical field energy as it animates over the crenelated surface of the cerebral cortex.
3-d movies of experimentally organized thinking (normal and entheogenized) would help a lot towards developing a vocabulary of experiencing.
Actually the time resolution is much faster than that IIRC, for some glucose metabolization studies - on the order of a few minutes. But the glucose rates are used as a proxy for neural activity, which complicates interpretation. Detail is improving anyway.
FWIW the scanning you suggest doesn't exist - but that doesn't prevent me from using it in a book I'm working on where the protagonist is having their auditory processing monitored in what amounts to high fidelity.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26750083 - 06/16/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The survey is only meant as background quantitative data to complement qualitative interviews which will try to expand more on the nuance and context of psychedelics within the limits of my aims. I plan to use the survey also as a recruitment tool for people to participate in face-to-face interviews (in person or video calling), all confidential of course. I've not mingled deeply in the psychedelic community at large even though I have used them plenty over the years. This is my foray into the deeper belief systems and practices of psychedelic users (with obvious limitations). Thanks for all the feedback so far it is quite helpful.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26750098 - 06/16/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I haven't tried 5 dried grams of mushrooms before, it's something I will likely do at some point in the future. This is mostly because I haven't had access to shrooms. I'm a shroom novice for sure. The most I have taken is 3 tabs of acid (which i assume was around 300ug) and about 100ml of Ayahuasca in one go, which doesn't really mean much as mixtures differ a lot in potency. However this comes from a batch I've had for about four years now and it gets pretty intense over about 80ml. Overall I have probably tripped close to 100 times (mostly on Ayahuasca as I have a personal supply that's lasted me years). Not sure where this places me in terms of experience but I'm coming in with a decent amount of experience and this is what has driven my interest. This isn't purely academic but it fits in well with my field of study at university and provides me with more motivation to delve deeper into the psychedelic community.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: Cosmicpolitan]
#26750149 - 06/16/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wonderful. If you get into cultivating might I recommend the APE (Albinos Penis Envy) strain variety ? As far as cubes go they are as easy to grow as any cube - but much more potent than your average cube. 5 dried grams of those magical little APE’s brewed into a tea and drank changed how I viewed psychedelics & normal everyday day to day life in the phenomenological world. And that was after already having years of experience with various psychedelic substances. I wanted to respond to your initial questions but my experience with psychedelic fungi has so radically transcended the boundaries that were available for selection that doing so could potentially be dishonest and misleading. Regardless - I wish you all the best. Take care!
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26750681 - 06/17/20 04:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wanted to respond to your initial questions but my experience with psychedelic fungi has so radically transcended the boundaries that were available for selection that doing so could potentially be dishonest and misleading
That's the trade-off when doing surveys. You don't know who will answer exactly so the questions need to be broad enough to apply to the people who you think will answer it. Do you have any suggestions for "reasons" why people using very high dose are doing it?
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: Cosmicpolitan]
#26750696 - 06/17/20 04:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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re:OP Good luck with earning your degree (I'm serious). But I earned mine years ago (in a different discipline). I come here to forget about details (which is what I gotta do at work) and just hang out with like-minded people. After a 10 hour+ shift you are asking too much of me!
To make things simple for everyone, I do shrooms because under the influence I feel closer to home; as if 'normal' consciousness is a lie and shroomworld is closer to 'actuality' as opposed to consensus 'reality', if that makes sense to you. Hope this helps and good luck with your studies.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: Cosmicpolitan]
#26750743 - 06/17/20 05:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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the way you talk usound like a secret agent from the matrix.
We dont take kindly to agents around hereQuote:
Cosmicpolitan said: The survey is only meant as background quantitative data to complement qualitative interviews which will try to expand more on the nuance and context of psychedelics within the limits of my aims.
seriously dude what the fuck are you even saying just be straight forward without hiding behind lingo
its not your vocabulary that makes you smart
if you really want to be recognized by the common man talk down to earth in a language that everybody can completely understand
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: jarjarbic]
#26750767 - 06/17/20 05:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Apologies I'm a too used to using technical terms. It's not me trying to be smart, honestly. It's just how I've been trained to write.
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The survey is only meant as background quantitative data to complement qualitative interviews which will try to expand more on the nuance and context of psychedelics within the limits of my aims.
Definitions: quantitative data = information in number form. Qualitative is essentially information in words.
Translation: I'm trying to ask questions I can measure with numbers so that I can identify trends in how people respond, using math. This is mostly to provide background information for later interviews with a smaller group of people, drawn from those who answer the survey. This way I can be more confident that the people I interview are representative of the larger community of psychedelic users.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: Cosmicpolitan]
#26751004 - 06/17/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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jarjar...U just cracked me up! In your defense Cosmic, I know what you mean about using the language you are used to whatevs etc. My sister always tells me to shut the F up at certain gatherings because what I do at work is routine to me but disturbing to others (before this covid-19 thing I was fitting cancer survivors with col/ileostomy bags).
Anywho... If you really want to explore this topic you will never learn squat unless you ingest the substance yourself. I rub shoulders with psychologists now and again at my job and the ones who claim to know shit about p'delics because they have gathered all the available data written it about are the ones who have never imbibede the p'delic themselves. The ones who have personally explored these substances remain quiet and for good reason. Why? Because after 4-8 years of school and thousands of buckaronies $$$ you don't want to throw your carreer away for a principle. Even if it is a righteous principle. But I'm sure you are aware of that.
Eat the stuff. Be careful, don't be stupid, but eat the stuff!
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: Cosmicpolitan]
#26751032 - 06/17/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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you could scan each of the sub-forums here for a few months, to see what this community finds interesting, and just skim the surface of what your questions might be.
don't rush it.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: Cosmicpolitan]
#26751702 - 06/17/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cosmicpolitan said: You don't know who will answer exactly so the questions need to be broad enough to apply to the people who you think will answer it. Do you have any suggestions for "reasons" why people using very high dose are doing it?
IME it has to do with that high doses enable modalities of consciousness that are extremely difficult to obtain any other way.
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Re: Looking for reasons why people use psychedelics. [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26754049 - 06/18/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psychedelics feel good. But so does heroin. If it was a pursuit of pleasure there are others things that are better at it. But it's not for simple pleasure.
I think curiosity is the driving force for me. I got into psychedelics because of a yearning of being someplace familiar. I found that behind 5g of mushrooms. And now I want to experience the bizarre. And I know 1 or two more trips will never be enough but I'm thankful that I stumbled across this experience. I have felt as if I was on a pedestal and as if I was being crushed by the weight of the universe like a roach. I definitely want to continue to explore. These things have hurt me in the past but I believe it's part of the territory.
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