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Asante
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Regret regarding introducing someone to weed.
#26745632 - 06/15/20 05:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its now 30 years ago, I was a teenager and he was a teenager too. I felt a great urge towards psychedelics and back then, in 1990, I got into weed and introduced my buddy to it.
Wanting to share a good thing, no?
It wasnt that good for me, my body and mind rejected it, so I quit it, 18 years ago.
Not my buddy.
For the most part of 30 years he kept using, using, using.
He got into debt and stayed there, money got gonverted into the strongest weed money could buy and this was smoked compulsively.
He smoked himself into couchlock consistently, and beyond that, into panic attacks where he needed a talk down. When talked down, he rolled another joint cause hey, he just felt like shit and he still had some.
Compulsion.
Couchlock, panic attacks, personality change.
He complained recently that he felt he was going psychotic.
He only smokes the very strongest of kinds because the rest "doesnt affect him anymore" and by affect he means practically lay him out flat. Zombification.
Weed really did a number on him. I feel it messed up his personality, his mental health status and his finances.
He is just compulsive with it, he is not like the average older stoner that he picks some mild strains from back in the day and just mellows out on that, no he keeps going to the forefroont of cannabis cultivation fuckery, takes the highest of the highest THC strains and this in knockout doses, every time.
I feel REALLY bad about having been the one who has introduced him to weed. Of course he owns everything he does with it, especially now 18 years after I have quit but still..
I apologized to him, in kind, humble words, for having introduced him to weed back in the day because I didnt feel it was a positive influence in his life, just as it has proven so for me, 18 years earlier.
He reacted with outrageous, vicious hostility. So bad, so intensely meanspirited, I severed ties with him. A person saying it like THAT hasnt been a true friend for a long time.
So that's all over.
But..
I introduced someone to weed when we were happy go lucky teens and now 30 years on he is still crashing and burning because he totally cant handle his compulsion towards it.
A friend told me he believed that with or without me, the weed would have gotten into his life regardless. He also assured me that years ago he ended up on the receiving end of a same such rant and ended his friendship with him also. "This isn't a temporarily-fucked-by-drugs thing, this is a part of the personality underneath." he said and I guess thats true.
I'm pro-weed, pro-legalization and cheer that the cannabis revolution is commencing. Whenever someone brings weed or hash, 18 years after quitting, I still inspect it and smell it fondly for that awesome smell. I believe, on the whole, herb is a blessing to mankind.
But not to him. It is his ruin. He persists using it as a mallet to beat himself in the head with, and when he comes to, beat his head again.
30 years. So sad.
Thats one of the things behind my emphasis on that it isn't just "harmless". For most its low risk but, some use it as the means to their undoing.
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Edited by Asante (06/15/20 05:27 AM)
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Re: Regret regarding introducing someone to weed. [Re: Asante] 2
#26746070 - 06/15/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hmm, if he had not found weed it would have probably been something else. No need to feel bad. It's not your fault if they have no self control. No need to feel bad at all. He's either someone you can hang out with or someone you can't chill with. He makes his own choices regardless of your feelings.
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Re: Regret regarding introducing someone to weed. [Re: Asante] 1
#26746723 - 06/15/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's a sad story for sure, but it's also so not your fault.
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Re: Regret regarding introducing someone to weed. [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26747503 - 06/15/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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30 years smoking weed is better than x years of heroin. I've been a daily toker for a decade and while I see your points and agree that weed can diminish a person's potential if abused, I think you can still live a fairly productive life with it. I kind of feel upset toward the person that introduced weed to me actually, because I remember when I felt content for no reason whatsoever. But I guess be glad that you didn't introduce them to cocaine or something... now THAT changes somebody. and QUICK. No one has a 30 yr relationship with a coke head, guarantee that.
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Re: Regret regarding introducing someone to weed. [Re: Icon]
#26747736 - 06/15/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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what kind of personality did teenage peer even have to mess up out of curiosity?
i don't believe you ought to regret anything Asante. I'm kind of surprised you'd even blame yourself over something, i think, is rather petty. some people are just more compulsive, and slow learners; i'm one of them... hopefully he gets his act together soon, there's still hope. i'm 30 and finally taking responsibility for my self and my choices...
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Re: Regret regarding introducing someone to weed. [Re: Asante]
#26747743 - 06/15/20 09:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Asante said: Its now 30 years ago, I was a teenager and he was a teenager too. I felt a great urge towards psychedelics and back then, in 1990, I got into weed and introduced my buddy to it.
Wanting to share a good thing, no?
It wasnt that good for me, my body and mind rejected it, so I quit it, 18 years ago.
Not my buddy.
For the most part of 30 years he kept using, using, using.
He got into debt and stayed there, money got gonverted into the strongest weed money could buy and this was smoked compulsively.
He smoked himself into couchlock consistently, and beyond that, into panic attacks where he needed a talk down. When talked down, he rolled another joint cause hey, he just felt like shit and he still had some.
Compulsion.
Couchlock, panic attacks, personality change.
He complained recently that he felt he was going psychotic.
He only smokes the very strongest of kinds because the rest "doesnt affect him anymore" and by affect he means practically lay him out flat. Zombification.
Weed really did a number on him. I feel it messed up his personality, his mental health status and his finances.
He is just compulsive with it, he is not like the average older stoner that he picks some mild strains from back in the day and just mellows out on that, no he keeps going to the forefroont of cannabis cultivation fuckery, takes the highest of the highest THC strains and this in knockout doses, every time.
I feel REALLY bad about having been the one who has introduced him to weed. Of course he owns everything he does with it, especially now 18 years after I have quit but still..
I apologized to him, in kind, humble words, for having introduced him to weed back in the day because I didnt feel it was a positive influence in his life, just as it has proven so for me, 18 years earlier.
He reacted with outrageous, vicious hostility. So bad, so intensely meanspirited, I severed ties with him. A person saying it like THAT hasnt been a true friend for a long time.
So that's all over.
But..
I introduced someone to weed when we were happy go lucky teens and now 30 years on he is still crashing and burning because he totally cant handle his compulsion towards it.
A friend told me he believed that with or without me, the weed would have gotten into his life regardless. He also assured me that years ago he ended up on the receiving end of a same such rant and ended his friendship with him also. "This isn't a temporarily-fucked-by-drugs thing, this is a part of the personality underneath." he said and I guess thats true.
I'm pro-weed, pro-legalization and cheer that the cannabis revolution is commencing. Whenever someone brings weed or hash, 18 years after quitting, I still inspect it and smell it fondly for that awesome smell. I believe, on the whole, herb is a blessing to mankind.
But not to him. It is his ruin. He persists using it as a mallet to beat himself in the head with, and when he comes to, beat his head again.
30 years. So sad.
Thats one of the things behind my emphasis on that it isn't just "harmless". For most its low risk but, some use it as the means to their undoing.
It's definitely not your responsibility. I agree that this is probably an underlying issue and not a direct consequence of you introducing him to weed.
I think the most dangerous thing about cannabis is that a lot of people don't really treat it like a proper drug. People claim you can't get addicted to it, and it's often described as a "soft drug". The way I see it, any drug has the potential for abuse and misuse, and weed is a drug.
Personally, I can't really handle the stuff. Every once in a while, I'll partake, but it's pretty rare. I often go on multiple year hiatuses from cannabis because I've had so many negative experiences with it that it's just not worth it for me. I also am pro-legalization and I believe that cannabis is a blessing for so many people, but it's not the right drug for me and I don't believe everyone will benefit from cannabis usage. My favorite drug is mushrooms
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Re: Regret regarding introducing someone to weed. [Re: Asante]
#26747864 - 06/15/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry to hear that Asante, I feel this way with many people that have come and gone in and out of my life but not with cannabis, mostly LSD and maybe a bit with mushrooms.
But that's part of learning how to use these substances, we can't blame ourselves because the experience didn't turn out as we hoped. It sounds like your friend is one of the most obsessed or addicted people I have heard with cannabis.
Too many times I would try to consume mushrooms or LSD with my best friends and every time they would just spin them selves in to loops of repeating the same catch phrase or joke like an infinite amount of times often coupled with a repetitive physical motion as well.
There experiences were far far different than from what I was experiencing and I eventually they would start having minor anxiety attacks.
Forgive yourself, don't blame yourself, you weren't trying to hurt anybody.
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Re: Regret regarding introducing someone to weed. [Re: Blipstir] 1
#26748295 - 06/16/20 05:43 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Once upon a time there was a Chinese farmer whose horse ran away. That evening, all of his neighbors came around to commiserate. They said, “We are so sorry to hear your horse has run away. This is most unfortunate.” The farmer said, “Maybe.” The next day the horse came back bringing seven wild horses with it, and in the evening everybody came back and said, “Oh, isn’t that lucky. What a great turn of events. You now have eight horses!” The farmer again said, “Maybe.”
The following day his son tried to break one of the horses, and while riding it, he was thrown and broke his leg. The neighbors then said, “Oh dear, that’s too bad,” and the farmer responded, “Maybe.” The next day the conscription officers came around to conscript people into the army, and they rejected his son because he had a broken leg. Again all the neighbors came around and said, “Isn’t that great!” Again, he said, “Maybe.”
The whole process of nature is an integrated process of immense complexity, and it’s really impossible to tell whether anything that happens in it is good or bad — because you never know what will be the consequence of the misfortune; or, you never know what will be the consequences of good fortune.
-- Alan Watts --
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