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Identifying Ipomea sp
    #26744888 - 06/14/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

After some years I've managed to grow sufficient Heavenly Blue seed to be able to do more than just have sufficient seed to plant next season and was checking around online regarding dosage when I came across this wonderful forum that I've since been exploring for a couple of months. Disclosure: curious old fossil with some experience ingesting in Heavenly Blue and Hawaiian Baby Woodrose way back in the miocene. Wouldn't care to try Argyreia nervosa again. Anyway, greetings to you all and here now goes my first post.

Ipomea tricolor: I'd always understood the Heavenly Blue to be I. violacea which is the illustrated identification of oliliqui by Richard Evans Schultes in numerous publications but recently, to my astonishment, discovered on Wikipedia it's now regarded as I. tricolor and that I. violacea is a beach growing tropical vine with white flowers (with which I'm familiar).


Pic 1.
This is the I. tricolor growing potted indoors and that I understand it's seed is psychoactive. However, are any members knowledgeable concerning the cultivation or psychoactivity of the actual beach growing I. violacea?

In identifying I. tricolor is the leaf shape of any significance? I'd always believed that the simple heart shaped leaf is a different species from the one with the triple pointed leaf which I'd considered as I. purpurea.


Pic 2.
(Image by Zifozonke from another thread on here, modified. Hope that's OK). Is this purple one I. purpurea? I've seen this species growing invasively through scrub and forest widely, but have never found seed on it so have always disregarded it as nothing other than a pest.

The appreciation in Japan of morning glories has always delighted me. Based on this idea from Hiroshige, back in the day I'd erected a bamboo frame in my apartment window and grown a nice crop of Heavenly Blue there.


Pic 3.
Any suggestion as this species of Hiroshige? I guess the others in the background of the print may be the same species as these ones below, which are widely grown as a popular Japanese potplant and at a glance could be readily mistaken for petunia.


Pic 4.
Picture taken at the Kyoto Botanic Gardens in August at their annual Ipomea display. Any comment as to what these may be or whether they are the same as the climbing ones in Pic 3?


Pic 5.
Final pic, just walking about the streets near Taga Taisha, Shiga, in September I came across this dedicated grower's display. Note the pots in which they're growing along the base. These look like Heavenly Blue to me.

Any help with the questions above or comments on the pictures would be greatly appreciated. Happy growing!


Edited by e33 (06/15/20 12:01 AM)


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Re: Identifying Ipomea sp [Re: e33]
    #26746933 - 06/15/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Cool post, they don't normally sell potted morning glories like that in the US, lucky you!


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Re: Identifying Ipomea sp [Re: Allium]
    #26747998 - 06/16/20 12:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Basically they are all from the Convolvulaceae family.
There are now many different hybrids as in pic4 displaying many different colours.
I consider purpurea/tricolour/acuminata all much the same thing-and all active
The one with the large white flower could be Ipomea.alba
There is a large one growing close to where I stay-Ill try get a pic for you later today.
Grows much the same as the other Ipomeas except the seed of I.alba is  a little larger.


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Identifying Ipomea sp [Re: e33]
    #26755717 - 06/18/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the replies, guys, and also the compliment, Allium.

Yes, they're all in the convolvulaceae family of over 1600 sp. Apparently over 600 sp of Ipomea alone. I was hoping there might be a taxonomic genius here ...

Anyway, I've been doing a little more research and from wikipedia I believe Zifo's pic 2 is the I. indica.

There's a fascinating Japanese website on Ipomea ID (in English), The Morning Glories Database
http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/Ipomoea/01.html
(I hope we're allowed to post academic links)
which gives the ID for pic 4 as I. nil.

My guess would be that pic 3 is the same species.

Anyone have any knowledge as to the seed psychoactivity of these two species?

So I am inclining to the view by a process of elimination (not a particularly scientific method, I admit) that most of the horticultural selections, including Heavenly Blue, are I. tricolor. Does anyone know whether the seed psychoactivity is relatively similar across all the varieties or more or less concentrated in particular ones?

By the way, Zifo, I understand the white one in pic 4 is not the moonvine, I. alba. I've never seen it as anything other than a climber, it's night flowering with the blooms finished by morning, and the flower petals have a long truncated base.

Bonus - Pic 6



A late 19th century coal grate fire surround tile ... I. tricolor, one assumes. I'd appreciate any member's field note contributions to the thread particularly regarding seed toxicity with the various Ipomea species ID


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