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maxmush
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Humic acid - REBOOT 1
#26745154 - 06/14/20 10:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey everyone!
I have scoured through what i can find on humic acid and mushroom cultivation. I have obviously read and re-read all the older threads on this. The last thread i saw was years ago and the experiment apparently failed.
There could be a few reasons for this:
1. The humic acid may have been a liquid and prone to contamination, especially when left for long periods of time. Because its speeds up fungal/bacterial growth, other species may have propagated the liquid.
2. Humic acid quality varies greatly from deposit to deposit - bad quality humic.
3. Too much HA can cause "lock-up or tie-up", when over used or too high concentration. This may or may not apply to mycology, but it seems relevant (the reference study seems to show a "bell curve" with dosages and a point of diminishing returns).
4. Unpasteurized HA may be an issue. Generally speaking, you dont want to pasteurize it as this also destroys beneficial pre and probiotics.
Meta-analysis supports that humic acid would be beneficial and the reference study everyone sites claims 300% more yield:
(http://www.aensiweb.net/AENSIWEB/rjabs/rjabs/2010/1067-1070.pdf).
I know how powerful humic acids are for most living things on this planet with mushrooms, theoretically, being no different. Humic acids contain a host of beneficial nutrients, growth factors and trace minerals. Studies also demonstrate less contamination issues.
Has anyone or know anyone who has used humic with any noticeable results?
There will some experiments taking place in the next several weeks to a few months with 3 methods of humic acid administration:
1. CVG pasteurized with a 4% solution of humic acids using a lyophilized powdered humic (less chance of contamination).
2. Using a 4% humic solution for misting only (non-humic treated sub)
3. Flushing with a 4% solution for 12 hours
Before it starts I was hoping some people could chime in with their thoughts on this.
Many thanks!
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maxmush
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Re: Humic acid - REBOOT [Re: maxmush]
#26749875 - 06/16/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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1 bump and i'll let it go lol. I will post results only if people are interested. Humic acid is so fascinating...maybe its just me
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Re: Humic acid - REBOOT [Re: maxmush]
#26749907 - 06/16/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm interested. I think might be more beneficial to pans and even more beneficial to wood lovers. I'm always game for an experiment.
So for all three tests what are you going to do? Get a clone and then G2G it to 6 jars and set three aside as a control for each test?
Then run shoe boxes for each test and 1 control box per test?
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Re: Humic acid - REBOOT [Re: Sockadin]
#26749939 - 06/16/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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We will likely go bigger with the experiment and use a monotub to montub comparison. It will be a month or two until it starts. I wanted to get some input first. Thanks for chiming in
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Re: Humic acid - REBOOT [Re: maxmush]
#26749944 - 06/16/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would run shoeboxes. Monos can be tricky for comparisons. Also it is easier to dial in 6 shoeboxes in the same micro climate than 6 mono tubs.
Think about the lighting and heat that the substrates will produce. If you stack them the top tub will grow different than the bottom even if they are clones.
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Re: Humic acid - REBOOT [Re: Sockadin]
#26749954 - 06/16/20 07:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Very true. I will scale it down to 6qt shoe boxes. Will start one these next month
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Re: Humic acid - REBOOT [Re: maxmush]
#26749993 - 06/16/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Get a clean clone and transfer it to A2G. Let it colonize and then spread it to 6 quarts G2G.
Then start your experiment.
At least that is what I would do. You want to remove as many variables as possible. Other wise it is just 6 random shoe boxes.
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Re: Humic acid - REBOOT [Re: maxmush]
#26909659 - 08/31/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just curious if you have any results? as I am very interested
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Re: Humic acid - REBOOT [Re: Jugster]
#26909849 - 08/31/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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We have been doing testing at various stages. So far the best results are with using it in the grain boil/soak and then PCing after. The myc is incredible vigorous vs no humic. Using after in the sub isnt a great idea as its so nutritious it feeds the bad guys too 
Testing isnt nearly complete and these are just current findings. I feel it works better than coffee for sure.
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Re: Humic acid - REBOOT [Re: maxmush]
#27764193 - 05/05/22 10:20 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Newbie here. Do you all have any updates?
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Re: Humic acid - REBOOT [Re: Clairity]
#27764675 - 05/05/22 03:53 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Clairity said: Do you all have any updates?
basic mycology 101.....grains provide all of the nutrients needed, there is no reason to add anything to your grains. your substrate should be non-nutritive, it is only there to provide water. leave the experimenting to growers with years of experience and a proven track record of successful harvests. newbs should focus on creating clean myc using agar, creating clean spawn by properly hydrating and sterilizing grains, and creating mushrooms by providing the correct FC and environment in whatever tub they are using. cubes are easy to grow, don't make it complicated.
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Re: Humic acid - REBOOT [Re: maxmush]
#28143295 - 01/16/23 05:07 PM (1 year, 12 days ago) |
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Im interested here. im actually more wondering what humic acid does on agar for mycelium growth and if can be used like in place of activated charcoal
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Re: Humic acid - REBOOT [Re: maxmush]
#28470666 - 09/16/23 12:52 AM (4 months, 10 days ago) |
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Quote:
decalcifeye said: if your curious about humid acid results
So you took the opportunity to plug your insta?
Which fyi had f-all to do with the topic as well.
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