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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: cannabinated]
    #26744609 - 06/14/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: cannabinated]
    #26744617 - 06/14/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #26744624 - 06/14/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Tbf I probably wouldn't have said anything if chief wasn't mostly agreeing with him, just on a different page.




Most insidious kind of discrimination
some examples from my Twitter dive:
"I agree lesbians deserve rights and protections, women who sleep with trans women are straight though and trying to steal those rights"
"I agree homosexuals deserve protections, but men who sleep with trans women have severe internalized homophobia and the trans movement made them that way"
"I think trans people should be able to dress and act however they want, and that society should respect them for being men in dresses"
and Rowling herself
I would march with trans people for their rights to be themselves (ironically, she never took this position until Covid barred us from having a march this year), but to say that (trans) men can menstruate destroys what it means to be a woman

the resulting outcome is that value X is valid and recognized by normal people
while value Y is absurd and not worth recognition as valid in the cordial system

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I didn't say much when he or you were railing against people who had expressed actual racism or transphobia.




I love you Cookie,
all I am asking is that now that you have made Muncher chill for a bit
you also chill for a bit and recognize some more of what is going on in the social sphere of late

there are people in positions with the UK NHS that push the above anti-trans narratives when they are online

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We do still have issues on the shroomery and I'm not always sure how to deal with them due to its history.




Straight talk, will not mention what Asante said in reply
but when Sophie was getting harassed for being trans
messaged him telling him my desire to never have to mod here because the level of bullshit is so much higher
than what was being dealt with in my own moderator position, with a multi-million dollar company behind me
while y'all are managing keeping an active community in the counter-culture with sponsors

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But you do raise a valid point that raising your voice to be heard over the haters is often taken as stepping over the line.




Twitter has designated the word "terf" a slur and will ban people who get reported when they use it too frequently
it means Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist
so since Twitter bans people who use it,
the trans community came up with a new term
Feminism Appropriating Radical Transphobes
because they are all a bunch of farts spewing hate at minority women while dressing it under the guise of feminism

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To some extent though it's just bad for your mental health and for your communities. Being a mod I have the power to censor. I would rather reason and help people help themselves and their own goals though. Especially when I support those goals.




at some point you also have to decide if it better for your mental health to try to reach people
or to leave your abuser behind

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And as an aside I don't really like sucking dick. Ladies or otherwise :lol:




do not see how anyone could enjoy doing so regardless of orientation
but know that you have done so and still consider yourself a lesbian
while the transphobes say you are a straight woman promoting misogyny

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I don't deny all the privilege I have of being white. We will talk about it more sometime.




Am not asking you to affirm or deny that privilege
just to recognize that by being a lesbian you face additional discrimination you would not face
if you were "just" a cishet white woman
(note, my refusal to say "if you were 'just' a white woman" here is because doing so implies that trans women and gay women are not part of the "true" community of womanhood)


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Tantrika]
    #26744649 - 06/14/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I see a group of protestors illegaly restricting a truck driver’s ability to travel and I also see him nudge forward till they move.  And I see one of the protestors walk around to his passenger side with an action that resembles firing a weapon.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: lowbrow]
    #26744652 - 06/14/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I see a group of protestors illegaly restricting a truck driver’s ability to travel and I also see him nudge forward till they move.  And I see one of the protestors walk around to his passenger side with an action that resembles firing a weapon.




A vehicle and a gun are each a tool
their status as a weapon is based on their use
trying to run people over or force them out of the way turns a vehicle from a tool of conveyance into a weapon


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Tantrika]
    #26744703 - 06/14/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

See I think you're getting territory of false equivalence.


Not being able to point to recent troubles faced by natives and instead pointing to European settlers is not denying that natives DO face modern troubles.

It's just that's all that gets talked about.


And as far as I could tell he condemned that too.


I blame the education system and the media for making that ignorance.



Becoming defensive about your ignorance and saying there's nothing to know is something that didn't happen here.


I'm well aware of terfs and the similar veins of ignorant hate oriented bullshit people spout. I am known for being too nice to hateful people. But I don't I don't have the tolerance I used to.


You have given me some things to consider and I will.
I'm sorry that I probably reacted a little too defensively.


But I would like to say the shroomery has gotten a whole lot better. Please don't think no one is listening.

I will also say that some people did more to hurt on that front than to help. It does matter.


We talked about that, too, not long ago in this thread I think.



As for the video - I didn't even watch the news caster's shit. Didn't have audio. Just watched the clip. So the opinion I gave was about as unbiased as I could make it.

Of course I would be scared for my life if someone was pushing a damn truck at me but the fellow also didn't pull out the firearm as the truck was running people over. He did it as that potential threat was ending.

In cases like that there should be an arrest and there should be a trial where people can objectively look at all the evidence, which I surely don't have.

There's been too many cases of lethal force being used in american when it might not be necessary in general. Skipping the legal process because of the opinions of the police is a problem in general.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #26744727 - 06/14/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
You have given me some things to consider and I will.
I'm sorry that I probably reacted a little too defensively.




Am sorry if my own attitude is caustic everywhere here
it has been a very difficult first half of Pride month this year
when back when starting my HRT last year, was wanting to take Mom to the parade in Winnipeg

instead there is no Pride parade
there is hate everywhere -- billionaire JK Rowling decided to punch down on the LGBTQ2+ community during Pride
when we had already been trying to put aside our own issues to focus on the issues of the Black community and those facing a history of discrimination (in Europe they yanked down a statue of a slaver and threw it off the docks where his ships used to bring people in to sell)
in global protests that she appears to have been tone deaf to

the Trump administration has rolled back health protections for trans people on the anniversary of the Pulse nightclub shooting, again during Pride month

but with regards to First Nations discrimination in the modern day not just the European settlers
it is personally an issue that puts me on edge due to being in Canada, and living about an hour from one of the most notoriously violent cities in the country

cannot trade places of life experience with you
but imagine if rather than seeing news of police killing black people on a regular basis in your country
you saw news of police killing First Nations people on a regular basis in your country
and then you saw those people put aside their concerns and go out to protest for the people in a foreign country
while you know how badly their own community is hurting

I really gotta get the dogs up the road at least once before sundown x-X


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Tantrika]
    #26744743 - 06/14/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

He nudged.  If he wanted to run people over he could of.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #26744773 - 06/14/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

i mean how the fuck did he think was he supposed to move through the city

he was surrounded in a mob after getting shot

at least this shows that libs know how to be about and not just talk

not trying to let the russians win and foment a civil war but that guy shouldnta tried get through there unless he was in a prius

know ur hood :shrug:


I still havent watched it tho and those protestors shouldnt stand in the street like that

I wonder if the autonomous zone is an attempt to spread corona :strokebeard:

cause youre pressuring the protestors into one spot, kinda like the drug war.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: cannabinated]
    #26744793 - 06/14/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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that guy shouldnta tried get through there unless he was in a prius




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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: cannabinated]
    #26744796 - 06/14/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

n teh ghettoz

so they dont have to deal with the problem cause its bad optics so they can create a scape goat n such


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: cannabinated]
    #26744801 - 06/14/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Nope, they scattered after he got shot.  This was Appaloosa, colorado.  I doubt it’s a metropolis level population.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: lowbrow]
    #26744807 - 06/14/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/autopsy-rayshard-brooks-death-considered-homicide-shot-twice-in-the-back

Hmm, maybe don't fight the police for a DWI arrest and then steal a tazer and then fire that tazer at a cop. I'm sorry, but this isn't a Floyd murder case.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: lowbrow]
    #26744808 - 06/14/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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He nudged.  If he wanted to run people over he could of.




What a childish statement
you expressly acknowledge he brandished a weapon with intent to threaten and/or harm people
and you try to do so in a manner that minimizes what happened

someone poked you with a knife you would scream bloody murder


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman]
    #26744812 - 06/14/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You realize that’s not what we’re talking about?  Besides, I'm in agreement, maybe direct the statement at another....


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman] * 2
    #26744816 - 06/14/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/autopsy-rayshard-brooks-death-considered-homicide-shot-twice-in-the-back

Hmm, maybe don't fight the police for a DWI arrest and then steal a tazer and then fire that tazer at a cop. I'm sorry, but this isn't a Floyd murder case.




Or let him go and take his car to the impound and put him on a warrent. The on the spot death penalty isn’t going over so well anymore.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman]
    #26744819 - 06/14/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/autopsy-rayshard-brooks-death-considered-homicide-shot-twice-in-the-back

Hmm, maybe don't fight the police for a DWI arrest and then steal a tazer and then fire that tazer at a cop. I'm sorry, but this isn't a Floyd murder case.




The strange thing about this, to me
is we had a case in Winnipeg a while ago (will dig it out shortly)
of the cops holding down a dude and one of them kicking him
and they credit having kicked him with saving his life
because he was reaching for a knife and they may have otherwise had to shoot him

why does it seem so many incidents down there go from 0 to 100 instantly?
my guess is a failing education system that means citizens don't have means and many are living on a constant on the edge lifeline
and a police training system that does not last as long as it takes a gender studies major to get a degree

:shrug:


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #26744825 - 06/14/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
Quote:

qman said:
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/autopsy-rayshard-brooks-death-considered-homicide-shot-twice-in-the-back

Hmm, maybe don't fight the police for a DWI arrest and then steal a tazer and then fire that tazer at a cop. I'm sorry, but this isn't a Floyd murder case.




Or let him go and take his car to the impound and put him on a warrent. The on the spot death penalty isn’t going over so well anymore.




Let someone go who assaults a cop and fires a tazer directly at them?  I'm sorry, but firing weapons at cops that you took from them in a violent confrontation for no valid reason is really fucking stupid.


Edited by qman (06/14/20 07:56 PM)


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Tantrika]
    #26744873 - 06/14/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

defund di polizi


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman]
    #26744884 - 06/14/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

They had his car. He was gonna get got. Two real bullets in the back is fucking insane.

Sorry but people aren’t having it anymore.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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