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Re: How come others don't seem to get as much from meditation? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26758984 - 06/20/20 02:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think you need to be an M15 to have immortality.


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Re: How come others don't seem to get as much from meditation? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26760313 - 06/20/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I have zero idea of what you are referring to but it is certainly idiosyncratic, these 'M' numbers.
There is no such thing as immortality. That suggests a temporally limited datum is turned into an eternally separate thing. Temporality is temporary. Eternal is Eternal and admits of no parts, no things, no existents. Time and Eternity are radically different ontologically.

Eternal Life in a New Testament context is the Life of Eternity that one enters into but there is no statement of individuality continuing in Eternity. Moreover, Eternity is NOT endless duration. Duration means time, time is created as a dimension of the created universe. Eternity is timeless. It is also incomprehensible by a mind that is characterized by temporal experience through senses, feelings, thoughts and intuitions. :shrug:


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Re: How come others don't seem to get as much from meditation? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26761921 - 06/21/20 12:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Can i have a sense of things to come?


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Re: How come others don't seem to get as much from meditation? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26762596 - 06/21/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

To an extent, ie: I know that eating will lead to me to expelling the material that the body doesn’t/can’t use.  I can know that after X amount of hours awake I will begin to feel tired & sleepy etc etc.

Seems to me like a question better asked & answers to yourself.  In that, the answer need not be sought outside yourself.  Or do you mean something else by it altogether?


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Re: How come others don't seem to get as much from meditation? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #26765575 - 06/21/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My single Experience was of an Omnidirectional Perspective of Infinite Transparency (perhaps that's why Buddhists call it the Clear Light) that was simultaneously Pure Identity (the sense of 'I' or "I AM" but no discursive thought) and It was also "Unbearable Compassion." I can only imagine a portion of the expanse now as Omniscience has to be experienced but it cannot be imagined or remembered visually. It was Beautiful and Ultimately Fulfilling. A Timeless Moment. When the Experience ended the Infinite Expanse retracted in an instant to an Infinitesimal Point of "Unbearable Compassion" around which was constellated my Heart and then by body. I understood the meaning of the Great Mantra OM MANI PADME HUM as The Infinite is a Jewel in the Lotus of the Heart. I understood Lama Govinda's explanation of the complementarity of the Experiences of OM and HUM where in OM the finite mind dissolves into the Infinite and in HUM the Infinite comes to indwell the tabernacle of the Heart. I remembered Bernini's sculpture of St. Teresa in ecstasy as an arrow of Agapé pierces her Heart. But in the first stage there was no personal ego, no Mark[os], no thoughts, no sensations, no memories, just Infinite Clear Light Compassionate Being. I cannot know if this was Asamprajnata Samadhi or Nirvikalpa Samadhi or Sat Chit Ananda or Nirvana or The Beatific Vision. But my immediate impression was that It was what we are in Reality when the illusion of separate identity vanishes in mystical or actual death. It is God returning to God Who remembers that [S]He was never Mark[os] but was playing peek-a-boo with Him-Herself through my individual identity. That Experience was December 1974. I can only hope that It was akin to what a decent human being enters into.

"Never shall yearnings torture, nor sins
Stain him, nor ache of earthly joys and woes
Invade his safe eternal peace, nor deaths
And Lives recur. He goes
Unto Nirvana! He is one with life
Yet lives not. He is blest, ceasing to be.
Om, Mani Padme, Om! the Dewdrop slips
Int the shining sea." -  from The Light of Asia by Sir Edwin Arnold


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Re: How come others don't seem to get as much from meditation? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26773866 - 06/22/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Meditation as a means for generating the inner awakening required for liberation becomes finer and finer by means of the higher discriminatory thought processes and mental environments burning themselves and the hindrances & barriers that they counter until a clean & clear reflection is thereby made possible.  The Jhanas are a perfect example of how more initial fabrication leads to less & less fabrication the finer and finer & more- until as near possible to absolute emptiness remains - by a means of balancing both sides of the equation..  Progressing through mundane & supra-mundane stages - the higher/finer one progresses the more fabrication drops away.  This is the burning up of, or dropping away of body & mind. 

The attainment of any jhana comes about through a twofold process of development. On one side the states obstructive to it, called its factors of abandonment, have to be eliminated, &on the other - the states composing it, called its factors of possession, have to be acquired.


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