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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#26743891 - 06/14/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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mmm I don't think that was the black women's issues that they meant.
But I suppose that could be an extension of the problems caused by being around gang violence and the repercussions of the war on drugs.
I think they were specifically talking about having to be single mothers working shit jobs with shit income with 0 resources for their children and no way to ensure they don't get swallowed up by the streets.
But, ya know, it's not my place to speak for them and all. I just don't think we have many african american women here...
And tbf not all native american reservations look like that. That is the result of the trail of tears and interment camps they called reservations. Other parts of the country and across the northern border have admittedly done it a little better.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: MadMuncher]
#26743892 - 06/14/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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omg kid it started hundreds of years ago. Do you know anything about how long and brutal the indian wars were bro? It started when guess what some of the natives were mad chill and peaceful and just liked to collect shit make it into stuff and trade and just chill cuz the living was easy. But then some other tribes figured out why do all that work when u can just go into the idiot peoples village rape and kill everyone and steal all their shit. So u had those guys fuckijg around and then it just turned into pretty much genocide but remember those people weren't Christians which was kinda a big deal to those people.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Avvruk]
#26743893 - 06/14/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Avvruk said: Well I don't watch Fox news, maybe sometimes Tucker. This is the specimen that was begging for soy. You need to be approved to see her tweets, but you don't even need to see them to understand how fucked up this person is.

Begging for soy? Lol y’all sound just as ridiculous as she does.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#26743899 - 06/14/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: omg kid it started hundreds of years ago. Do you know anything about how long and brutal the indian wars were bro? It started when guess what some of the natives were mad chill and peaceful and just liked to collect shit make it into stuff and trade and just chill cuz the living was easy. But then some other tribes figured out why do all that work when u can just go into the idiot peoples village rape and kill everyone and steal all their shit. So u had those guys fuckijg around and then it just turned into pretty much genocide but remember those people weren't Christians which was kinda a big deal to those people.
yes, i do.
in the usa, when were natives granted citizenship and when were they able to vote?
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Hunter hunter]
#26743904 - 06/14/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Avvruk said: Nobody is talking about growing some weed. Apparently those morons are trying to feed their "autonomous" zone. They were already begging for vegan products and soy lol.
They should rope it off. Looks like a breeding ground for covid. I’m sure all those people cashed their stimulus and unemployment checks then go and protest the establishment.
45 million people are unemployed due to the trump recession. We wouldn’t need massive stimulus if we had competent leadership.
Washington state shut covid down with competent leadership
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: MadMuncher]
#26743908 - 06/14/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just a bit after they stopped killing people disrupting free commerce and could read and stuff. If u really want to know why that took so long well there u go bud.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#26743909 - 06/14/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: is that what your tribal nations look like? Wtf is wrong with your states ...
what a waste of time. you don't know? go see for yourself. save yourself from your own ignorance if you want
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#26743912 - 06/14/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: is that what your tribal nations look like? Wtf is wrong with your states you guys sort your shit out. Also I guess nobody has to take any personal responsibility anymore along as they can blame it on white people for shit thay happened hundreds of years ago. But yah u can follow the indian wars all the way back and find out who was actually the asshole to a small peaceful minority of people who were trying live peacefully and escape religious prosecution and make a livelihood. You know the people that lived super devout lives. But I guess were totally rewriting history at this point and just looking back at everything with absolutely no context or just anything.
States have absoluely nothing to do with tribal nations. They are administered by the federal government via treaty.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: MadMuncher]
#26743913 - 06/14/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Chief yes it started hundreds of years ago.
Muncher yes the oppression of native people's is still recent history. Breaking up the reservations with false promises that resulted in more poverty happened in the 1950s.
Y'all are on two different pages of the same book so calm down a little please. If you want to use this as an education opportunity please do it.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26743920 - 06/14/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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its a waste of time. everybody here has google. he hates natives. there's a lot of those on this site for some reason
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: MadMuncher]
#26743923 - 06/14/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hate natives wtf are u talking about bro? I'm saying we fought a war over this shit for fucking hundreds of years.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: MadMuncher] 1
#26743924 - 06/14/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I didn't get any hatred for native americans from his posts.
I think maybe you got that because of his sentence structure but I think in every case he was condemning the actions of european settlers.
Really man you need to calm down a little. I know recent arguments on this topic have you on edge but there's alot of people who are simply ignorant on how recent history has effected native people.
Again goes back to the population and poverty issue. There's no strong movement and no media coverage.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#26743933 - 06/14/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I didn't get any hatred for native americans from his posts.
I didn't either. These days it just seems like most people's first reaction to any differing opinion is to just immediately pull the racist card out. It's sooooooo boring and tired.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: koods]
#26743935 - 06/14/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Avvruk said: Well I don't watch Fox news, maybe sometimes Tucker. This is the specimen that was begging for soy. You need to be approved to see her tweets, but you don't even need to see them to understand how fucked up this person is.

Begging for soy? Lol y’all sound just as ridiculous as she does.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26743936 - 06/14/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Look obviously there were several extremely bad broken treaties on the part of government. Its why they kept fighting the war because we had deals everyone agreed to formally blah blah then it was broken and they attacked and blah blah blah. Was it fucked up looking back absolutely but back then those people thought they were doing the 100% right thing. The natives weren't exactly saints either and if you go all the way back you'd see why the settlers were always terrified of natives.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26743937 - 06/14/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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He accuses everyone of that that disagrees with him to smear people.
It seems to work, too.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Avvruk]
#26743941 - 06/14/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Avvruk said: Well I don't watch Fox news, maybe sometimes Tucker. This is the specimen that was begging for soy. You need to be approved to see her tweets, but you don't even need to see them to understand how fucked up this person is.

Begging for soy? Lol y’all sound just as ridiculous as she does.

Wow if thats real thats solid gold right there
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: MadMuncher] 1
#26743946 - 06/14/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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weird. i guess im just getting used to reacting to it on this site. my bad? whatever. here you go.
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Native Americans couldn’t be U.S. citizens when the country ratified its Constitution in 1788, and wouldn’t win the right to be for 136 years. When black Americans won citizenship with the 14th Amendment in 1868, the government specifically interpreted the law so it didn’t apply to Native people.
In 1924, Native people won the right to full citizenship when President Calvin Coolidge signed the Indian Citizenship Act, also known as the Snyder Act. But Coolidge and his Congress didn’t this enact this law out of their own benevolence. Many saw this as a way to break up Native nations and forcibly assimilate them into American society
In any case, Congress didn’t given Native people voting rights at that time either. The Constitution gave states the right to determine voting rights (with the exception of the 15th and 19th Amendments, which many states violated anyway by preventing black people from voting).
Logo History Stories UPDATED:AUG 20, 2019ORIGINAL:NOV 6, 2018 Native Americans Weren't Guaranteed the Right to Vote in Every State Until 1962 Native people won citizenship in 1924, but the struggle for voting rights stretched on much longer. BECKY LITTLE Calvin Coolidge and Native American group at White House Calvin Coolidge and Native American group at White House a year after they were given the right to vote in the Indian Citizenship Act.
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Do U.S. citizenship and voting rights go hand and hand? For most of the country’s history, the answer has been no—just look at the example of Native voting rights, which weren’t secured in all states until the 1960s.
Native Americans couldn’t be U.S. citizens when the country ratified its Constitution in 1788, and wouldn’t win the right to be for 136 years. When black Americans won citizenship with the 14th Amendment in 1868, the government specifically interpreted the law so it didn’t apply to Native people.
“I am not yet prepared to pass a sweeping act of naturalization by which all the Indian savages, wild or tame, belonging to a tribal relation, are to become my fellow-citizens and go to the polls and vote with me,” argued Michigan Senator Jacob Howard at the time, according to the Native American Voting Rights Coalition.
Some Native people who didn’t want U.S. citizenship since they were already part of their own sovereign nations. However, these nations still found their land and the lives of their people subject to the whims of a country that would not recognize them as citizens.
The Carlisle Indian School 16 GALLERY 16 IMAGES In 1924, Native people won the right to full citizenship when President Calvin Coolidge signed the Indian Citizenship Act, also known as the Snyder Act. But Coolidge and his Congress didn’t this enact this law out of their own benevolence. Many saw this as a way to break up Native nations and forcibly assimilate them into American society; to, as Carlisle boarding school founder Richard Henry Pratt said in 1892, “kill the Indian in him, and save the man.”
In any case, Congress didn’t given Native people voting rights at that time either. The Constitution gave states the right to determine voting rights (with the exception of the 15th and 19th Amendments, which many states violated anyway by preventing black people from voting).
There were plenty of white Americans who didn’t want Native people voting in their states. In the late 1930s, “One of the Indians went over to Old Town once to see some official in the city hall about voting,” reported Henry Mitchell, an “Indian Canoe Maker” in Maine. “He said to the Indian, 'We don't want you people over here. You have your own elections over on the island, and if you want to vote, go over there.’”
Native Americans registering to vote circa 1948. Native Americans registering to vote circa 1948.
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Native Americans were only able to win the right to vote by fighting for it state by state. The last state to fully guarantee voting rights for Native people was Utah in 1962. Despite these victories, Native people were still prevented from voting with poll taxes, literacy tests and intimidation—the same tactics used against black voters.
The Voting Rights Act of 1965 helped strengthen the voting rights that Native people had won in every state. However, the act is no longer fully intact. In 2013, the Supreme Court’s decision in Shelby County v. Holder dismantled one of its key provisions, which required that states with a history of racial bias in voting get permission before passing new voting laws. Just before the 2018 midterm elections, North Dakota’s Supreme Court ruled in favor of a new voting requirement [https://thinkprogress.org/exclusive-new-voter-id-restriction-in-north-dakota-threatens-hundreds-of-natives-ability-to-vote-49937a379793/] that may prevent hundreds of Native residents from voting.
https://www.history.com/news/native-american-voting-rights-citizenship
this site says the last state to let natives vote was new mexico. im gonna check that the other one said utah.
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Many government officials felt that Native Americans should be assimilated into America's mainstream culture before they became enfranchised. The Dawes Act of 1887 was passed to help spur assimilation. It provided for the dissolution of Native American tribes as legal entities and the distribution of tribal lands among individual members (capped at 160 acres per head of family, 80 acres per adult single person) with remaining lands declared "surplus" and offered to non-Indian homesteaders. Among other things, it established Indian schools where Native American children were instructed in not only reading and writing, but also the social and domestic customs of white America.
The Dawes Act had a disastrous effect on many tribes, destroying traditional culture and society as well as causing the loss of as much as two-thirds of tribal land. The failure of the Dawes Act led to change in U.S. policy toward Native Americans. The drive to assimilate gave way to a more hands-off policy of allowing Native Americans the choice of either enfranchisement or self-government.
"Move on!" Has the Native American no rights that the naturalized American is bound to respect? / / Th. Nast. The Snyder Act of 1924 admitted Native Americans born in the U.S. to full U.S. citizenship. Though the Fifteenth Amendment, passed in 1870, granted all U.S. citizens the right to vote regardless of race, it wasn't until the Snyder Act that Native Americans could enjoy the rights granted by this amendment.
Even with the passing of this citizenship bill, Native Americans were still prevented from participating in elections because the Constitution left it up to the states to decide who has the right to vote. After the passage of the 1924 citizenship bill, it still took over forty years for all fifty states to allow Native Americans to vote. For example, Maine was one of the last states to comply with the Indian Citizenship Act, even though it had granted tax paying Native Americans the right to vote in its original 1819 state constitution. As reported by Henry Mitchell, a resident of that state, Native Americans were prevented from voting in Maine in the late 1930s.
In 1948, the Arizona Supreme Court struck down a provision of its state constitution that kept Indians from voting. Other states eventually followed suit, concluding with New Mexico in 1962, the last state to enfranchise Native Americans.
Even with the lawful right to vote in every state, Native Americans suffered from the same mechanisms and strategies, such as poll taxes, literacy tests, fraud and intimidation, that kept African Americans from exercising that right. In 1965, with passage of the Voting Rights Act and subsequent legislation in 1970, 1975, and 1982, many other voting protections were reaffirmed and strengthened.
https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/elections/voting-rights-native-americans.html
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Avvruk]
#26743947 - 06/14/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Avvruk said: Well I don't watch Fox news, maybe sometimes Tucker. This is the specimen that was begging for soy. You need to be approved to see her tweets, but you don't even need to see them to understand how fucked up this person is.

Begging for soy? Lol y’all sound just as ridiculous as she does.


I wonder if anyone actually sent some tofu. Or maybe some kale wraps.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: MadMuncher]
#26743955 - 06/14/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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MadMuncher said: weird. i guess im just getting used to reacting to it on this site. my bad?
nah fuck that. you guys can't see it. ban me
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