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Invisiblemaxmush
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Bucket Tek for quantity
    #26742544 - 06/13/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hello everyone. Great forum with excellent resources (yes i am new here:smile:). A friend has a question regarding mixing up pasteurized CVG on a larger scale (I have used the search function with no avail). Are there any good methods that maintain temp in the pasteurization range to make 50-100lbs of CVG mix? How many coco bricks+verm (1:2 ratio or 650g:2qt) can you do in a typical bucket/pail? Alternatively how many can you do in a large Igloo cooler (i dont have specs yet)? Thank you guys so much!


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: maxmush]
    #26742593 - 06/13/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I just thought of something but im not sure if anyone has done this. I am assuming that 5 gallon bucket is good for just one 66l monotub fill, what about using 30-35 gallon garbage cans and double them up for insulation during the pasteurization phase (maybe further insluate with blankets). Thoughts?


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: maxmush]
    #26742612 - 06/13/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I use a big igloo cooler & mix up 78 lbs at a wack.

Qty 1  5 kg block coir. I break it up into hardball size chunks. I am bias to Cocotek  by General Hydro. Cost me 8 bucks for 11 lbs

Qty 1  5 gallon buckett verm (Home depot stuff)

Qty 1.5 5 gallon buckets (7.5 gallons total)
Hot water straight from my water heater cranked all the way up.

No Gypsum in my sub as i only use it im my grain for cubes.

Bingo bango 78 lbs perfect bulk sub :smile:


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: maxmush]
    #26742677 - 06/13/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24077162#24077162

CVG doesn't require pasteurization, you could use tap water. It's just that mycelium seems to like it cooked a bit as it is easier to break down. Check the link and you will see that you could use a cooler but also a garbage can with tight fitting lid wrapped in a space blanket or foam or something could do a ton. Hope this helps!!!


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: maxmush]
    #26742770 - 06/13/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, forget about pasteurization. Just dump some hot water in with it and let it sit until room temp. That's what's so awesome about coir


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: Apples in Mono]
    #26743034 - 06/13/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the quick replies guys :smile:

Ok so:

1. Forget the pasteurization and just mix the CVG or just CV with hot water until it cools to about 80 degrees (2-4 hours)?

2. Then layer or mix spawn in a monotub with a little CVG to top it off?

3. Seal it up, put in a dark place or in a garbage bag (might be outdated tek now), 97-100% humidity, 28-30c,then allow 7-10 days for spawn to propagate mycelium on the CVG "cake".

4. Then hit it with FAE, slightly lower humidity (85-90%) and temp (24-26c) and light (12/12 6000-6500k) to fruit?

Thoughts...?

Buddaking what size is your Igloo cooler (78lbs of sub in one shot is great)?

Also anyone have a recipe to make 50lbs sub at a time. The readily available coco comes in 3.5kg/7.7lbs bricks or 50l bags (not sure mass weight).


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: maxmush]
    #26743263 - 06/14/20 03:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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1. Forget the pasteurization and just mix the CVG or just CV with hot water until it cools to about 80 degrees (2-4 hours)?



Yes. Me personally, I'd get a pot of water up to a light boil, let it cool a minute, and chuck it in the coir prep chamber youre using, a bucket or cooler or whatever. I still like cooked coir :pipesmoke:

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2. Then layer or mix spawn in a monotub with a little CVG to top it off?



Yes. Most people I've seen here prefer adding a 1cm or so top layer of CVG.

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3. Seal it up, put in a dark place or in a garbage bag (might be outdated tek now), 97-100% humidity, 28-30c,then allow 7-10 days for spawn to propagate mycelium on the CVG "cake".
4. Then hit it with FAE, slightly lower humidity (85-90%) and temp (24-26c) and light (12/12 6000-6500k) to fruit?




You dont actually want darkness, and you can put into fruiting conditions immediately. those higher temps will probably be fine but a lil lower will be better for preventing bacteria.
The substrate is warmed by the organism.

Just scale up the recipe, you dont need a fixed ratio IMO. I sometimes only put in a handful of verm, sometimes I do a litre. Gypsum is fine at "a sprinkle covering".


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: ManifoldPrime]
    #26743304 - 06/14/20 04:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You could prob just double down on the bucket tek and use multiple buckets. 5 buckets would yield 10 monos, you can use each bucket twice in a day so that's 20 monos in 1 day with 5 buckets if you didn't wanna buy new stuff. Just a thought


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: metaphoric]
    #26743900 - 06/14/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks ManifoldPrime for your input. I have always been told cooking the coco definitely has benefits over uncooked. Some speculate it gets broken down and better utilized. Perhaps like cooked food is easier for us to digest than raw?

Also I thought about going straight into fruiting conditions and skipping the "secondary incubation" period. Perhaps letting it cool down a little lower as you suggest, maybe like 72-74 degrees to initiate pinhead formation? Anyone else have success with this method?

So for the CVG mix your suggesting just "eyeballing it", no specific ratios? For uniformity is a 1 part coco:2 parts verm:4.5qt water per 66qt monotub a good standard? Is correct field capacity the most important factor here over the mix ratio?

BTW, thanks metaphoric for the suggestion on the double up bucket tek but something a little more centralized like 1 or 2 garbage cans makes more sense for this particular situation. I was going to try this out with a cement/paint mixer attachment on a drill to mix it up.


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: maxmush] * 2
    #26743999 - 06/14/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Is correct field capacity the most important factor here over the mix ratio?




Correct. make a few batches and you'll get the feel. err on the side of drier, as you can always correct with a lil more water.


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: ManifoldPrime] * 1
    #26744094 - 06/14/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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ManifoldPrime said:
Quote:

Is correct field capacity the most important factor here over the mix ratio?




Correct. make a few batches and you'll get the feel. err on the side of drier, as you can always correct with a lil more water.




This is the best advice for anybody, new or with a few mediocre flushes.
I forget who says it(please reply if you know and I'll add citation,

"Think of field capacity as ...is it DRY ENOUGH??? Instead most people ask, is it wet enough...


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: bootedboy]
    #26744102 - 06/14/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Common misconception, but I recently learned that mycelium doesn't consume the coir when it is used as bulk sun for spawn. Source: Bodhisatta


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26744146 - 06/14/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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InnerWisdom said:
Common misconception, but I recently learned that mycelium doesn't consume the coir when it is used as bulk sun for spawn. Source: Bodhisatta




Correct, although the verm is to some degree... -RR


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: LewDoja]
    #26744381 - 06/14/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks, you guys are so awesome. So cooked coco just a personal preference? Any reason why people would think its better? I am looking for the most streamlined basic processes and will add complimentary tek in stages so we actually know whats working and whats not).

Lastly, and most important at the moment - skip the secondary incubation to form the tub "cake" and so straight to fruiting after filling up monotub? Not necessary to seal off and create a high c02 environment first (5-10 days), higher temp and less light (did ask this is a different way prior but would like clarification if anyone else has done this successfully - *not that i don't believe you MaifoldPrime lol no disrespect)? I assume with this method the mycelium will colonize the coco as it fruits, instead of before fruiting.


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: maxmush]
    #26744904 - 06/14/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think the idea, at least with cubes, is that it won't fruit until it's finished stretching, regardless of conditions. So you put it in fruiting conditions right away and allow it to determine its own transition to fruiting.


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: metaphoric]
    #26744995 - 06/14/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Fruiting at spawn just saves you a couple days. Some of the experienced guys did side by side grows and the yields were the same but skipping the ten day spawn run finished quicker.

I’d really recommend doing a few tubs first before committing to hundreds of pounds of substrate.

Verm isn’t totally necessary either but it’s perfect for adding if you make the coir too wet.


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: A.k.a]
    #26749912 - 06/16/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the replies so far. I dont know why i am so cautious with the secondary colonization of the CVG? I guess if the grain spawn is already fully colonized then the secondary CVG colonization is redundant? Just mix it up and go straight to fruiting conditions? I like efficiency, so this seems like a better plan. Can someone please help me feel better about this lol


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: maxmush]
    #26750514 - 06/17/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah just put into fruiting immediately. Just keep an eye on the substrate not to let it dry out. The substrate will still colonize this way if that is what you mean but no need to put it in the dark and close air exchange.


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26756433 - 06/19/20 06:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks! Will go straight to fruit :smile:


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Re: Bucket Tek for quantity [Re: maxmush]
    #26756649 - 06/19/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

In the past few years most of us stopped doing spawn runs. Honestly putting the substrate in "fruiting conditions" from the get go after spawning seems to shorten time from spawning to pins.

I used to use multiple 5 gallon buckets to prep 2 coir bricks in each at a time. Was just easier because I could heat up the water for a couple buckets, then the next, etc.


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