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Invisiblesolipschism
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Short, fat, super-densely-packed cubes - conditions or genetics? *DELETED*
    #26740523 - 06/12/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Short, fat, super-densely-packed cubes - conditions or genetics? [Re: solipschism]
    #26740613 - 06/12/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

More than likely just genetics and IMO that is exactly what most growers are looking for. I have never been able to achieve it so congrats to you!!!


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Re: Short, fat, super-densely-packed cubes - conditions or genetics? [Re: solipschism]
    #26740677 - 06/12/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What variety are you growing?


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Re: Short, fat, super-densely-packed cubes - conditions or genetics? [Re: Apples in Mono]
    #26740692 - 06/12/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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bootedboy said:
More than likely just genetics and IMO that is exactly what most growers are looking for. I have never been able to achieve it so congrats to you!!!




Got it. Thanks very much!

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What variety are you growing?




GT.  Earlier grows (also in my journal) looked more standard.


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Re: Short, fat, super-densely-packed cubes - conditions or genetics? [Re: Apples in Mono]
    #26740727 - 06/12/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think it’s conditions over genetics, I’ve had strong Golden Teacher and Texas orange cap grows That turned out as stumps, mini full canopy stumps.  My grow space has been moving all over the place with RH 20~50 temp 70 to 85.  Good harvest,  with disappointing showings, I’m positive it’s the grow space.  Stumpy guys will do the trick, not as fun to show off


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Re: Short, fat, super-densely-packed cubes - conditions or genetics? [Re: SYF8]
    #26741780 - 06/13/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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SYF8 said:Stumpy guys will do the trick, not as fun to show off




Yeah, I certainly can't complain about the first-flush yield at 38g per quart of spawn, especially for next to zero effort.


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Re: Short, fat, super-densely-packed cubes - conditions or genetics? [Re: solipschism]
    #26742186 - 06/13/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'd love to hear some more members weigh in on this topic. I believe it is a combination of several factors. Genetics can cause this, increased FAE can cause this, overly wet subs can cause this. Is it all three?


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Re: Short, fat, super-densely-packed cubes - conditions or genetics? [Re: bootedboy]
    #26742536 - 06/13/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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overly wet subs can cause this




This may have been a factor - I slowly worked my way up from the relatively-conservative way most people describe field-capacity to "the amount of water it seemed like the coir could hold without pooling".  Think "doesn't release water when you shake it, but will give a hefty stream if you squeeze it firmly".

Ended up at ~1:5.5 dry-coir to water.

The tub in particular was with a different brand to my first bricks, which turned to soup at 1:5.5 and had to be squeezed back down to field capacity before use.


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Re: Short, fat, super-densely-packed cubes - conditions or genetics? [Re: solipschism]
    #26750900 - 06/17/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Genetics and/or environment


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Re: Short, fat, super-densely-packed cubes - conditions or genetics? [Re: T666NY]
    #26751040 - 06/17/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The caps look kinda over hydrated.

But I’ve also had similar stuff happen on drier coir myself. I think it might be a bacteria also.



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Re: Short, fat, super-densely-packed cubes - conditions or genetics? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26751202 - 06/17/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

A bit of bacterial blotching. When water sits on the caps for too long, bacteria has an opportunity to infect them


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Re: Short, fat, super-densely-packed cubes - conditions or genetics? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26753686 - 06/18/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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The caps look kinda over hydrated.





On the trays, or the mono as well?

The trays got a little dry (or I thought so at the time) a couple days before harvest and I overcompensated heavily. Like the caps just kept absorbing whatever misting I threw at them so I kept misting them thinking it was too dry (and ended up with that silly 14:1 wet/dry mass ratio).

The monotub was just working with the moisture inherent to the sub, though there was probably too much there, too - had to wipe off heavy condensation from the lid a couple of times and there was some minor pooling on the bottom of the tub at the edges once the sub started to pull away from the tub.


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