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I ask for improvements to my casing technique
    #26737040 - 06/11/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

hello everyone :smile: I am not active here in the forum so far always managed well alone. I've been growing mushrooms for 6 years. cubensis equador. I ordered it 6 years ago and I still use the same genetics. when it gets weak i make a sporeprint and then liquid honey mycelium. about every 6 months. I am constantly improving. I write here spontaneously so I don't have as many photos of the individual stadiums. I write with google translate because my english is shit :smile:

people love my mushrooms. set up a small monopoly here. I would be happy to take a few photos if they sprout again. when they break apart they are bright blue and for most 1 gram is already too violent. Well.
I want to improve myself. I do multispore. the isolation never worked. i increase my harvest by adjusting the substrate mixing ratio. with success. I gave up the insulation. at the moment the yield per aluminum dish is about 30g dry after 4 flushes. I am happy. (2000ml) bowl.

bottom layer approx 1cm 40/60 cocos vermiculite. substrate 6kg rye 300g cocos 1300 vermiculite 4l water. this gives 10 unicorn bags. 1 bag 3 bowls of substrate. top layer 1cm like bottom layer. after everything is mixed in the bag i make the casings and they come again in the incubation cabinet for 4 days at 29 degrees. then in the transparent boxes for fruiting. 23 degrees. After 10 days I see the first pins. I am successful

what sometimes molds me is the condensed water that runs down in the box. sure i can fill in seramis or perlite. but the perlite and seramis get angular with time from the spores when I peek. i am not satisfied with the bowls because there is a lot of waste. I have already lined the whole box with plastic and it went well. But when the mold comes, you have to tip everything away. and it is difficult to handle. falls apart if you want to check the bottom. How do I get rid of the condensed water? even if I ventilate once a day it arises.

I see photos of monotubes, but does the condensation run down the page under the plastic? standing water is shit and is susceptible to mold right?

how do I make better use of the space of the individual boxes? more efficient? i want less waste.

does anyone see a fundamental mistake i make? how do i improve?

thank you and hope someone answers me :smile: i will take more photos. criticism welcome. i love this hobby (ok it's more than a hobby): P

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Re: I ask for improvements to my casing technique [Re: kassel88] * 2
    #26737543 - 06/11/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I would take the aluminum trays out and just fill the tub with coir and spawn.

One giant tub not three small bowls.


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Re: I ask for improvements to my casing technique [Re: kassel88] * 1
    #26737550 - 06/11/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Why not just spawn in the plastic tubs? Why use the small aluminum containers?

Standing water is bad. I've been using unmodded tubs and just pouring off the excess water, or sucking it out with a graduated dropper. But that's been a lot of work since I'm trying to get to 20 active tubs at a time. I recently decided to try drilling some holes with polyfill to try to manage moisture without active intervention.


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    #26738728 - 06/12/20 05:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i think the biggest mistake u make is calling your bulk substrate a casing. i dont see anything here that even remotely resembles a casing. as for ppl saying 1 gram of cubes is violent lol i think you need to find some better people to give them to. even with the worlds strongest cubensis 1 gram is hardly a low low level experience let alone "violent". also as mentioned id ditch the aluminium trays. cubes can and will eat right through them. plus they are just weak in general. and if they are breaking that easy on you it dont sound like they are 100% colonized. i know my subs i can pick up out of the tub and move them around freely. also as stated id go to a monotub method. its so much better and way more rigid. as for condensation tho its no big deal. and if u discover a method where there is no such thing as condensation let me know cuz everyone has it. its just what happens with the environment required. but if your getting ponds or rivers of it then you have issues with your environment. also if your fruits are "bright blue" when they come up you have issues with your environment for sure. bluing is bruising and its not an indicator of potency. if anything they are less potent as that is from the oxidisation ofzzzzzd psilocin. so i would def review your environmental conditions cuz that should not be what u want.  but if u would post pics of your fruits and the issues your describing it would for sure aid in the help of being able to resolve your issues. i know u said english is not your language and thats awsum that u at least make the effort to communicate with it as we have ppl here that have even lived here 30+years and niether them or their kids even make the effort in anyway to learn to use it at all. so i commend you for the effort👍👍👍 but i do belive terminology is very important. cuz if its not correct and other newbs that are trying to learn come accross that info. it only adds to the confusion and will hinder the ability for others to correctly pinpoint problems when they are trying to help or ask for help.

but good luck to ya and i hope u get the info yuor looking for and if youd post some pics i think ud get a lot more replies and get some good feedback👍👍


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Re: I ask for improvements to my casing technique [Re: jcm4620]
    #26739523 - 06/12/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I would take the aluminum trays out and just fill the tub with coir and spawn.

One giant tub not three small bowls.




hey :smile: yes I have already tried to do it all simply without aluminum trays directly in the plastic-lined box. the condensed water always ran between the plastic and the box wall. if I put everything directly into the box, the condensed water would be absorbed through the cake. I like to check the bottom of every flush and such a huge cake cannot be removed without it breaking. I'm going to try it. but i think these aluminum shells make it easier to act. I also imagine washing the box every time. only have my bathtub available. will the cotton always get wet and must be replaced? thank you for your idea :smile:





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Why not just spawn in the plastic tubs? Why use the small aluminum containers?

Standing water is bad. I've been using unmodded tubs and just pouring off the excess water, or sucking it out with a graduated dropper. But that's been a lot of work since I'm trying to get to 20 active tubs at a time. I recently decided to try drilling some holes with polyfill to try to manage moisture without active intervention.




also a warm hello and thank you for your answer :smile:

I also have these holes with polyfill. how big did you drill them? there is already an air exchange with me but never so much that nothing would condense. and just. the whole cleaning cycle after each run sounds expensive. am lazy and comfortable haha. and if the chuchen slowly shrinks after the flushs, you have the standing water again. Soaking up everything with a pipette sounds terrible haha. With my aluminum bowls I never have stagnant water in the bowl unless I moisten too hard after the flush. i just spray the surface with cold water. about 30-50ml each time .. I don't know exactly. by feeling.

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i think the biggest mistake u make is calling your bulk substrate a casing. i dont see anything here that even remotely resembles a casing. as for ppl saying 1 gram of cubes is violent lol i think you need to find some better people to give them to. even with the worlds strongest cubensis 1 gram is hardly a low low level experience let alone "violent". also as mentioned id ditch the aluminium trays. cubes can and will eat right through them. plus they are just weak in general. and if they are breaking that easy on you it dont sound like they are 100% colonized. i know my subs i can pick up out of the tub and move them around freely. also as stated id go to a monotub method. its so much better and way more rigid. as for condensation tho its no big deal. and if u discover a method where there is no such thing as condensation let me know cuz everyone has it. its just what happens with the environment required. but if your getting ponds or rivers of it then you have issues with your environment. also if your fruits are "bright blue" when they come up you have issues with your environment for sure. bluing is bruising and its not an indicator of potency. if anything they are less potent as that is from the oxidisation ofzzzzzd psilocin. so i would def review your environmental conditions cuz that should not be what u want.  but if u would post pics of your fruits and the issues your describing it would for sure aid in the help of being able to resolve your issues. i know u said english is not your language and thats awsum that u at least make the effort to communicate with it as we have ppl here that have even lived here 30+years and niether them or their kids even make the effort in anyway to learn to use it at all. so i commend you for the effort👍👍👍 but i do belive terminology is very important. cuz if its not correct and other newbs that are trying to learn come accross that info. it only adds to the confusion and will hinder the ability for others to correctly pinpoint problems when they are trying to help or ask for help.

but good luck to ya and i hope u get the info yuor looking for and if youd post some pics i think ud get a lot more replies and get some good feedback👍👍





hey :smile: also a warm hello to you and thanks for your answer

I started with the aluminum shells without knowing that the mycelium attacks the aluminum and also absorbs it. I was not told that aluminum can be harmful and can cause Alzheimer's. I have informed my people who like my mushrooms about it. also had a test run with a plastic lined box. was actually good but I lacked control over what is happening at the bottom of the cake.
after each flush I check the underside for contamination and if there is anything I throw everything away including all mushrooms that have grown out of it in the respective flush. with this megacake directly in the bowl, this is definitely not possible.
some cakes are white and very hard. no overlay .. and some just looser. back after making the casing 4 days in the incubation cabinet again it is not yet clear to me how the 10 days of fruiting will go somehow. some pull it through great and some just a little less. To be honest, I could never tell the difference between the quantities of the two variations

when lifting around the bottom, nobody ever breaks. only when harvesting the loose casing tears off and too much of the upper layer. these places are also very susceptible to mold. I always talk about mold. around 5 percent I have problems from time to time. for a while there were pink dots on the side of the cakes. Lately dark green spots on the surface. when i see that i throw it away. that's why i like to check the bottom after the flush. if something forms there you can not see it for a long time and the mushrooms are then consumed without my knowledge that there was something. I don't want to be responsible for that. So far nothing has ever happened. no feedback. that's why i find the compromise with the aluminum shells ok .. but not ideal. instead of aluminum just tupperware or something, I find it so difficult to clean and disinfect. I hope you understand my little dillema. I spontaneously wrote yesterday. I will be happy to post more photos and hope for more tips from you :smile:

Oh yes. and what I like about the aluminum trays:

After 5 days in the fruiting box, I tear open the fold of the bowls. so that the side of the cakes is free. then mushrooms also grow out. Is that important? if I didn't do that, would more mushrooms just grow on the surface? I was never able to answer this question. clearly the cake shrinks over time and this gap automatically arises .. is it necessary to pry up the sounds? hope you understand what i mean .. just pull the corners so that the bowl gets bigger.

on the topic of the potential of my genetics. I am not a show-off. presumably everyone claims that of their own mushrooms. the spore syringe was an absolute stroke of luck at that time in my opinion .. i also consume mushrooms from time to time .. even before growing it myself. everyone who knows them keeps telling me what things they experience with much smaller portions than they are used to. I was also offered a lot of money for a liquid mycelium jar from my genetics. everyone who has eaten them and who understands them is the best they have ever consumed. I would like to convince you of that .. I don't know how the rules here are sorry. please tell me to delete it if necessary. if you want I will send you a spore print somehow .. just like that. without me wanting anything. you won't get in my way :smile: I doubt that you just give me an unknown newcomer such an address ... if you have a solution to this problem please let me know ok? :smile: then convince yourself of my arrogant I have the best mushrooms ever: D what do you have to lose. I turn the mushrooms when harvesting at the bottom with 2 fingers from the substrate. believe me this one that I touched is deep blue green. clearly every magic mushroom does that when you fumble around but not to this extent. nor is it a real indication of the potential. but a clue to know that my drips of active ingredient .. blah .. let me send you a spore print if it is allowed :smile:

1/3 is enough to achieve the effect of other mushrooms. Point. please do not doubt this statement until you have tasted it yourself: P

I will document this current run a bit and hope for more valuable tips from you old hands :smile:

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Re: I ask for improvements to my casing technique [Re: kassel88]
    #26739643 - 06/12/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i just came from incubating the unicornbags,
this time I filled it with double the amount to save. takes about 5 days longer until everything is mixed.
I wait about 6 days until a good big spot has formed on the side of the bag before I mix 1 time. have the feeling the mycelium doesn't like it at all if you disturb it. the growth came when I mixed too many too often. mix properly once and is good.

I marked the puncture site with an eding before disinfecting so that I can also tape it off afterwards. I never had any contamination without a hepa filter during this step. just move slowly and gently and don't cough around :smile: attached a photo of my safe fridge. I would like to secure me twice four times. some mycelia are already years old. if what brings? do not think so. but they still live I think



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Re: I ask for improvements to my casing technique [Re: kassel88] * 1
    #26739900 - 06/12/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

sorry man im only growin pans right now and il put my worst pans up against your best cubes any ol day of the week lol.  so thanks but no thanks. i honestly prolly will never eat cubes again. pans are way way better and 1 gram of them will make u trip. 2 grams will damn near have u talkin to aliens lol. pans are 3-5 times more potent than cubensis but the ride is so smooth and just a wonderful experience. all around its just a way better trip. but they are a hell of a lot harder to grow as they are very very picky about environmental conditions. but just so u know. you dont have to case cubes at all. they will fruit just as easy either way. and if ur getting mold after only 1 flush your spawn is not clean. clean spawn is the number 1 thing that leads to a good grow. as for checking the bottom its not a baby u dont have to wipe and powder it lol. i wouldnt even bother looking at it. but if u must take it out id just use an unmodified tub and float the sub to the top and lift it out.


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Re: I ask for improvements to my casing technique [Re: jcm4620]
    #26740286 - 06/12/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

ima just point out for op, that your potency genetics are reset when you grow out from spores, and if youre doing multispore and not isolating like you said, all of your mushrooms are going to have completely different genetics which means different potency.


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Re: I ask for improvements to my casing technique [Re: DeckardCain]
    #26740780 - 06/12/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I actually don't doubt that his are stronger than these people are used to, as long as he's drying and storing them properly. The actives in most dealer shrooms are probably 1/2 gone by the time they're consumed. But that doesn't have anything to do with genetics


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Re: I ask for improvements to my casing technique [Re: Apples in Mono]
    #26741213 - 06/13/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Cult shrooms are usually stronger than wild too I’ve heard.


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    #26741350 - 06/13/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

o for sure i dont doubt they are more poteng i just meant the fact they called 1 gram violent lol


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    #26741365 - 06/13/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, sounds like he needs a new scale


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    #26741540 - 06/13/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

lol I think that’s a translation thing.

I could see describing a crazy trip as violent though.


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    #26741562 - 06/13/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

ya but not off a gram of cubes. like i said even if u were to grow the most potent cube in the world and its still only a cube and cubes will not produce the actives required to where a gram would contain enough alkaloids  to give that level of an experience. and if someone thinks it does then id say they have an underlying psychosis issue they need to address lol 😃 just like when ppl have been givin a placebo in a study and claim they had a "mystical experience" but in reality its all in their head.

ive had plenty of mind blowing trips off cubes tho dont get me wrong


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    #26751588 - 06/17/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

hello everybody :smile: yes the one with the violent was a bit exaggerated by the translator. my offer is still available. if someone wants a sporeprimt he should trust me and get in touch. then he can judge for himself :smile: this morning the first fruiting bodies appeared after 11 days under fruiting conditions. I also shook and chopped the incubated unicorns today. I always wait until a good patch has formed and if possible it is only necessary to shake once. I also shook with less patch and then the whole thing came to a standstill. has anyone had any experience with it? mycelium definitely doesn't like shaking I think. until then my friends of the mushroom



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    #26751665 - 06/17/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Mushrooms are fine and safe to eat even if the substrate is contaminated. As long as the mushrooms aren’t slimy or covered in mold.

I think your mycelium doesn’t like being mixed up because the grain spawn is already mixed in with the bulk substrate, which has no real nutrition so there’s a lot of “blank” space for the mycelium to colonize while it’s trying to recover. It’s hard to explain what I’m thinking.

I would suggest you look into a method of completely colonizing grain spawn, and only once it’s at 100% then you mix it evenly with your bulk substrate (coir/vermiculite) in a tub and then just let it sit until it fruits. That’s the way 99% of successful cultivators do it here. Agar to grain, then mix grain spawn with bulk in a monotub or shoe box.

If you follow the recipes and steps in here https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26009662 or at least use the same methodology in whatever size tub you prefer, you will have stacks of mushroom generating tubs that you never really have to touch except to harvest. Maybe an occasional misting if you need it.

I think your mix may be too wet if you’re getting tons of condensation. A hard squeeze of the bulk substrate barely drops any water the way I prep it and the mycelium tears through it.


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    #26751672 - 06/17/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Domesticated varieties hold some qualities but when you start from spore print you will get different results every time. The most potent cubes I ever grew were from a B+ spore print, then the next grow they were mediocre.

If you really have something that potent I suggest cloning it on agar so you can store the genetics as a live culture.


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    #26751691 - 06/17/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

"what sometimes molds me is the condensed water that runs down in the box"

Condensation water will not cause your substrates to mold. The substrates are in open air that is not sterile, even with the lid on.

Mold before the first flush is most often in the spawn. You typically won't see it I'm your spawn, because many green molds are white until they sporulates. Bacteria in spawn can also weaken substrates and make them susceptible to mold.

If you aren't working with agar, you really should. It is a tool that allows you to isolate clean mycelium, and also clone and store live genetics.

Spore prints were taken from mushrooms grown in open air, they are never going to be 100% clean. By extension, spore syringes will never be 100% clean. This means there will always be a possibility of contamination when using one to inoculate spawn or liquid culture.

If you want to improve your game, I high suggest first learning how to utilize agar to obtain clean cultures and make clean grain spawn, and then spawn your substrate in plastic tubs without trays or clay beads.


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    #26774168 - 06/22/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hello everybody :smile:
today I was able to harvest the first 4 casings from the first flush. 2 were a bit late and the spores are already everywhere. was too lazy yesterday. what the hell. the 2nd flush comes too ... maybe a little less but the mushrooms are a bit bigger in my opinion. I don't see it that closely.

I mistreated another mushroom. broken up and pulled something. just so you can see this deep blue color. I know that it is not necessarily an indicator for potential but that is the only thing I can show visually :smile: I do not know any other mushroom growers and do not know if this is the case with all cubensis? is egalo too. my offer with the spore print is still there. just report to me and have confidence :smile:

this time the cakes were a little too moist for me and I watered them a little after picking.

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"what sometimes molds me is the condensed water that runs down in the box"

Condensation water will not cause your substrates to mold. The substrates are in open air that is not sterile, even with the lid on.

Mold before the first flush is most often in the spawn. You typically won't see it I'm your spawn, because many green molds are white until they sporulates. Bacteria in spawn can also weaken substrates and make them susceptible to mold.

If you aren't working with agar, you really should. It is a tool that allows you to isolate clean mycelium, and also clone and store live genetics.

Spore prints were taken from mushrooms grown in open air, they are never going to be 100% clean. By extension, spore syringes will never be 100% clean. This means there will always be a possibility of contamination when using one to inoculate spawn or liquid culture.

If you want to improve your game, I high suggest first learning how to utilize agar to obtain clean cultures and make clean grain spawn, and then spawn your substrate in plastic tubs without trays or clay beads.



I've tried isolating on agar. in the first bowl I had a ryzomorph part but in the second everything was fluffy again. unfortunately I never got it.



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ima just point out for op, that your potency genetics are reset when you grow out from spores, and if youre doing multispore and not isolating like you said, all of your mushrooms are going to have completely different genetics which means different potency.





thank you for your words. I can't confirm that. Of course I don't always eat from every run, but to say out loud is always the same. ev I really got something special years ago. your statement sounds logical to me but it is definitely not the case with me


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