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Gypsy Boy
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Do u need a VPN when using Tor ?
#26741126 - 06/13/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Any use in VPNs ? Do they hide u better or something??
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#26741150 - 06/13/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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VPNs allow you to mask your location and IP address. For example you may be in the US, but with VPN can connect to a server in Germany. If folks try to dig they can see you are using VPN but will be unable to trace your actual details (unless extremely advanced). TOR can take you down some dark holes, and you dont necessarily want some folks you encounter in that world to view your actual IP/location.
Be careful out there...
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Broken Veils]
#26741164 - 06/13/20 06:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, so ud recommend I use vpn with tor?
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Broken Veils]
#26741166 - 06/13/20 06:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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A VPN will hide from your ISP that you are using tor, but it will not provide any extra level of security.
If you are in a place like Australia which logs all your metadata you may choose to do that.
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Northerner]
#26741286 - 06/13/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wouldn't use either unless you start getting into bomb making, shooting planning, or child porn.
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26741356 - 06/13/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just post all the contact details of your hook ups then bod, then no here one will need to use tor again.
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Broken Veils] 1
#26741432 - 06/13/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Broken Veils said: VPNs allow you to mask your location and IP address. For example you may be in the US, but with VPN can connect to a server in Germany. If folks try to dig they can see you are using VPN but will be unable to trace your actual details (unless extremely advanced). TOR can take you down some dark holes, and you dont necessarily want some folks you encounter in that world to view your actual IP/location.
Just so there no confusion...
The only way a VPN connection can be traced is if the VPN server logged you and is willing to give that information to authorities. Most reputable VPN providers do not log. There's nothing advanced there.
tor networks encrypt your whole connection by default, you do not have an IP address on a tor network. You are connected to a random node then relayed through other random nodes, none of which know more than who the last is. You enter the network via an encryption key that is single use. It's nothing like tcpip, you don't have an address to track. The whole communication is encrypted.
Using a VPN when entering tor is irrelevant in terms of what happens on that network.
People who get busted for stuff they do on tor are always caught by stuff they did on the clearnet or data they posted whilst using tor. There's no current known way to trace users, without having poison nodes that can attempt MITM attacks. Which are rare and quickly shunned by the rest of the onion.
Everything you post online profiles you. Your writing style, your online action times, your browser, your OS, your screen resolution and your internet speed all say a lot more to LE than anything that can be gleaned from a tor connection to any site with an updated browser. This is why most large illegal sites are brought down by good old fashioned police work. Gathering evidence and planting moles. Of course the whales will attract hard core computer forensic detectives, they can't help a great deal though if the target is using a hardware randomizing OS like tails.
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Northerner]
#26741468 - 06/13/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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My stupid tails usb does not work, it hangs, even after installing the latest version ...
Anyway, thanks for sharing that info, good stuff
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#26741495 - 06/13/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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How far does it get? Does it boot and hang? Or just not boot at all?
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Northerner]
#26741509 - 06/13/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I select normal version to boot, screen goes blank and does not load
If I select safe mode it boots, but theres nothing there no wallet no tor no gpg
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#26741521 - 06/13/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Have you turned secure boot off in the BIOs?
It might just be a corrupted install as well. Might just have to download a new image and try again.
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Northerner]
#26741531 - 06/13/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ohh yea I flashed my usb with a new version and all...
Secure boot in bios? Didn't know there is such thing lol
This is weird, cos 6 months ago my usb with tails worked, now it doesn't...
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#26741549 - 06/13/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh, that is weird.
Risk could have corrupted if you pulled it out during shutdown.
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Northerner]
#26741559 - 06/13/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe I should get a new usb stick and try again
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Gypsy Boy] 1
#26742178 - 06/13/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd just try a new image. When you install it don't let Windows do it but use Rufus rather. It's much better at the job.
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#26808142 - 07/07/20 12:15 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's no secret that many people who use TOR are up to no good, so if you are worried about your ISP or local government seeing that you are using TOR, using a VPN would be a good idea.
Here in the USA I don't think ISP's or governments really care if you use tor, but it's hard to be sure.
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#26924875 - 09/08/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes use vpn with tor you dont want anyone even knowing your using tor right? that would indicate your probably up to no good. and clean your cookies, flush your dns make sure java scrypt is false and probably be safe to actually connect to a RDP after vpn and cookie flush then use tor from the RDP. if you are not using a custom operating system or Kali lynx you probably should use 3rd party software to disable and block apps in windows that key log and send data back to the developers.
it all depends on what your doing i guess and how many layers of protection you feel comfortable with.
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: poopforballs]
#26925166 - 09/08/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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running a good VPN with TOR is all that is necessary... the is no reason for a RDP unless you are trying to disguise your specific location or MAC address, something that isnt really an issue unless you plan on hacking into something that might cause someone to try and find where your connection came from. if browsing trusted sites, that shouldnt be much of an issue.
put your TOR settings on strictest, combined with a good VPN (id suggest proton or nord both of which are bases outside of the US and have no data retention, no logs) that should be enough if you simply intend to be visiting a marketplace.
Java DOES need to be disabled because the way that it runs inside the browser allows for fingerprinting and location imformation to be leaked, if you dont think this is the case you can do a quick check on Doileak.com and see for yourself BUT if you put Tors security settings to strictest it should automatically do that for you and most .onion sites will have it disabled anyway.
if you intend to be browsing randomly i would suggest learning a bit more about security before you do. and i might be paranoid but always cover your webcam too...
if you have any specific questions, hit me up.
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Cactiphile]
#26925171 - 09/08/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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and make sure you have good virus protection!
also, a password vault is something worth using as a generality.
these are all good internet practices using tor or not.
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Re: Do u need a VPN when using Tor ? [Re: Cactiphile] 1
#26955167 - 09/25/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is smart to use VPN first and Tor second.
VPN hides from your ISP that you use Tor, which is good. Because Tor is more of a red flag than a VPN. A lot of "normal" people use VPNs.
Also, if the Tor exit node is a honeypot, using the VPN hides your IP from the honeypot operators. Using both doesn't slow you much on a good computer on a good connection.
Also helps to use very common browser and OS. If you use Linux and don't really know why you're using Tails, use Ubuntu or Mint instead. Search to find the current most common flavor. If you use an odd browser and OS and talk about your other hobbies, or where you've lived, it's easy to narrow down. Especially if you use it anywhere connected to your real name.
The more unusual vectors you use the easier it is to figure out who you are.
Most people are caught with social engineering, not super-duper hacker shit.
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Edited by nektar61 (09/26/20 06:42 AM)
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