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Anonymous #1

Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong.
    #26740988 - 06/13/20 02:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I used to be excellent with women. I'd bullshit them and pick them up easy. Keep them too.

I decided to stop lying quite some time ago now and have been working on myself trying to be a great person. (I use the word GREAT here intentionally. Not good. GREAT) I have viciously high standards for myself that I regularly do not meet. Which is fine.

For dating the last 3 years I have only gotten sex and relationships from online dating apps and I have attempted to court 3 women in person. The way I am choosing to court these women is by becoming friends, finding a connection, and then asking her out. This process takes many months. Each of these 3 times I have gotten the response of "Youre a REALLY nice person! You would make an AMAZING boyfriend. But I am just not attracted to you in that way!"

And I also get these other vibes that they think I am weak. My best guess is they think I'm bashful and not asking them out. But what I am doing is calculated and thought out. I am intentionally being a "good" person. I am REFUSING to manipulate. 100 percent honesty. How they see me as "weak" when very obviously I am wartorn and disillusioned is beyond me.


And then of course.... while woo'ing a crush.... all these other secondary women start clearly crushing on me. But I dont want them.

I dont know. It frustrates the hell out of me that I see all the angles.... and these women who know me SO DAMN WELL.... can some how think that I dont see the most basic fundamentals of how dating works. I know they want the tough guy. I know theres chasing. Jealousy. I know they want the correct amount of all these things. I am CHOOSING not to play the game.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26741134 - 06/13/20 06:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You seem upset by the fact that you have chosen not to “play the game” and are now not winning anything.

Maybe your 3 month friend zone plan is stupid. Maybe you neglecting the other women who do become interested in you while wooing the target female, is a terrible plan,

I must admit, you seem weak to me as well. But, I think it is because of the false bravado and unjustifiable overconfidence. It seems as if you are overcompensating.

New plan: next lady you court. And her solid 6 friend gets interested in you. Then, date her.... take her out, just once, be super nice, but don’t get sexy, and don’t date a second time. Your main object of obsession will see that you treated her friend nice.😊 this will score 10x the points that you incorrectly  think you are scoring by being “non manipulative” and “honest”.

Which, you are not actually doing anyway. Remember the bad idea you had to “be friends until she sees the real you and wants to fuck”?

How is that not manipulation?


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Anonymous #1

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26742043 - 06/13/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
You seem upset by the fact that you have chosen not to “play the game” and are now not winning anything.

Maybe your 3 month friend zone plan is stupid. Maybe you neglecting the other women who do become interested in you while wooing the target female, is a terrible plan,

I must admit, you seem weak to me as well. But, I think it is because of the false bravado and unjustifiable overconfidence. It seems as if you are overcompensating.

New plan: next lady you court. And her solid 6 friend gets interested in you. Then, date her.... take her out, just once, be super nice, but don’t get sexy, and don’t date a second time. Your main object of obsession will see that you treated her friend nice.😊 this will score 10x the points that you incorrectly  think you are scoring by being “non manipulative” and “honest”.

Which, you are not actually doing anyway. Remember the bad idea you had to “be friends until she sees the real you and wants to fuck”?

How is that not manipulation?





I am interested in who I am interested in. I'm not gonna lead on alternates just because they come at me. And my plan is to make friends and find a connection. I have several female friends and this particular one became someone I realized I like.

And cool. Basically what happened in this convo between you and I.... is I said "im cool" and you felt the need to say "nuh uh".


Seriously conversation is so fucking boring. Just fucking look at the god damn words and infer them literally. I am so fucking tired of humans.

This fucking girl though. God damn. She speaks the truth so viciously accurate. Reads me 3 sentences ahead and totally catches my vibe. I cant even describe it. I feel lost and aloof all the time. Wandering through a fog because no one gets it. And she sees exactly where I'm coming from. Fuck that mental connection is outrageous. I wanna build her a fucking church.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26743116 - 06/14/20 12:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ick. If I was a woman and got a glimpse into your thoughts I wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole.

Your words above scream toxicity, and who want's that in their life????


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Anonymous #1

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26743233 - 06/14/20 02:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
Ick. If I was a woman and got a glimpse into your thoughts I wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole.

Your words above scream toxicity, and who want's that in their life????




Toxic is what I used to be. How do people not get this? I was full of shit, lied, tricked women into thinking i was better than I was. Used them. Neglected them. And they fucking LOVED it. They bitched all the time but they kept coming back for more.

I wasn't a "jock". But you know how jocks act and pick up women? And then the sweetheart nerd gets tossed aside?

These girls THINK im the sweetheart nerd. But what I really am is a reformed "jock".







All you guys have to do is read what I am saying and not assume I'm an asshole.... and then the conversation can begin. I assure you I am not an asshole. I live for other peoples happiness. This is just a SAFE anonymous posting place on a forum of like-minded individuals where I can vent my frustrations. My first post on here I was drunk and a few hours after being turned down by this girl.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26752951 - 06/17/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
I used to be excellent with women. I'd bullshit them and pick them up easy. Keep them too.

I decided to stop lying quite some time ago now and have been working on myself trying to be a great person. (I use the word GREAT here intentionally. Not good. GREAT) I have viciously high standards for myself that I regularly do not meet. Which is fine.

For dating the last 3 years I have only gotten sex and relationships from online dating apps and I have attempted to court 3 women in person. The way I am choosing to court these women is by becoming friends, finding a connection, and then asking her out. This process takes many months. Each of these 3 times I have gotten the response of "Youre a REALLY nice person! You would make an AMAZING boyfriend. But I am just not attracted to you in that way!"

And I also get these other vibes that they think I am weak. My best guess is they think I'm bashful and not asking them out. But what I am doing is calculated and thought out. I am intentionally being a "good" person. I am REFUSING to manipulate. 100 percent honesty. How they see me as "weak" when very obviously I am wartorn and disillusioned is beyond me.


And then of course.... while woo'ing a crush.... all these other secondary women start clearly crushing on me. But I dont want them.

I dont know. It frustrates the hell out of me that I see all the angles.... and these women who know me SO DAMN WELL.... can some how think that I dont see the most basic fundamentals of how dating works. I know they want the tough guy. I know theres chasing. Jealousy. I know they want the correct amount of all these things. I am CHOOSING not to play the game.





Here's the man-to-man that you need: You're full of shit.
I don't mean like "you shouldn't lie to girls", I mean "you're lying to us (and yourself.)"

I say this for a ton of reasons.

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The way I am choosing to court these women is by becoming friends, finding a connection, and then asking her out. This process takes many months.




It doesn't take many months, actually, it takes a week, maybe two at the absolute most. You generally have an idea for who someone is within the first couple days, not the first couple months. You'll notice that spark (or lack of a spark) very quickly. That's yellow flag for me, number one.

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But what I am doing is calculated and thought out. I am intentionally being a "good" person.




Do you know what women find waaaaay less attractive than timid guys? Guys who manipulate situations. A guy who just generally wants them is way more alluring than a guy who is feeling nothing as he calmly calculates his next move. Even when women find these villains attractive who are cold and calculating, they're only thinking of sex or imagining that they can change him. Absolutely no girl wants to be with a guy like that.

Now for the red flag. Do YOU believe that you're being "calculated and thought out"? Do you feel that being a "'good'" person is being timid? These are telling me that you're either hiding from the fact that you've been rejected or something is REAAALLLY off, here.

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How they see me as "weak" when very obviously I am wartorn and disillusioned is beyond me.




Brutal honesty here, dude: cringe af. Badasses don't say that they're badasses. Dating aside, don't do that, man. Also worth noting that you're, again deflecting the blame onto the women. They're at fault for not seeing in you what you see in yourself.

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And then of course.... while woo'ing a crush.... all these other secondary women start clearly crushing on me. But I dont want them.




Okay, this is very likely untrue. I think it is, again a defense mechanism to deflect blame onto the girl that rejected you. "All of her friends want me but she just has something against me or is misjudging me."

Quote:

and these women who know me SO DAMN WELL.... can some how think that I dont see the most basic fundamentals of how dating works. I know they want the tough guy. I know theres chasing. Jealousy. I know they want the correct amount of all these things. I am CHOOSING not to play the game.




You are REALLLY struggling with this rejection. It almost seems narcissistic. To circle back to what I said at the beginning, that's not the behavior of someone who is experienced. The thing about pickup artist and game types is that they get rejected frequently. They're not hurt by it and they're not scared of it. Now here is a big IF, If I'm wrong and you really are experienced and you're still acting like this, there is a very major issue.

tl;dr
Everyone gets rejected, it's not the end of the world. Don't worry.
I think you're putting up a front and are actually very inexperienced OR you're a narcissist with psychopathic traits.
Deal with the pain of being rejected, stop trying to deflect the blame onto the girl that rejected you.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #26753106 - 06/18/20 12:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well worded analysis of exactly what I said; OP is toxic.

He can argue the toss about it with a bunch of anon fucks, but until he realizes that's what he is, he will remain so.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26753523 - 06/18/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I got pissed off and I turned on manipulation mode for THREE DAYS. I fucking told her we cant be friends because I have feelings for her. I cold-shouldered her. She realized what she was missing out on. And then I invited her to a party because " i dont want to exclude her on account of me". I pulled her aside.... bullshitted her about various fucking shit and I acted like I only wish we could be friends. Ended the party and I went home with her. Talked about how we are better off as friends then I grabbed her fucking face and kissed her until she liked it. We fucked/cuddled literally for 24 hours.

She is now acquired as a girlfriend. I have now CONFIRMED this disgusting reality we live in. The BULLSHITTER gets the girl. And the HONEST dude gets FUCKED.


And all of you fuckers in this thread cannot for a second think that I'm not full of shit. Its just pathetic.

Me saying it like it is.... me being ONE HUNDRED PERCENT HONEST..... means SOMETIMES I will say Im good at stuff. Because I am good at stuff. Everyone is. If the world is gonna judge me for saying a dress makes a girl look fat when that dress makes her look fat.... then I get to also say I'm good at something without automatically being considered a liar.

My fucking honesty is a god damn curse.





Anyways. This girl still needs to be wrangled completely. And it will require more manipulation that I dont think I'm interested in giving. Wish one person would read my shit and not assume its not 100 percent. But I guess it doesnt really matter because what advice can any of you give? I am correct. The dating game is a fucking farce. Relationships are a gamble at best and the tools that benefit you the most just amount to being attractive and being able to bullshit.


Yall are fuckin idiots. The complexes you must have to be unable to read an anonymous forum post and even pretend the OP is telling the truth lol.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26753534 - 06/18/20 07:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

And I am fucking toxic. I am depressed as shit and wish I could kill myself but im too fucking afraid of death. I feel trapped in my body and every action I take seems pre-destined. I dont REALLY have any control. Its just a fucking facade. The culmination of experiences combined with the chemical balances that initially were in my brain at birth are the only factors dictating my every movement as I interact with the world around me.

I am literally trapped. The nature of reality is to be trapped. I want to fucking die. But... as I am a COWARD.... here I stand before you today.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #26753547 - 06/18/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

And I'm not gonna fuck this girls friends because itll prove to you I can do it. This one particular girl is ALL over me and I keep her at arms length. We just had this super awkward moment where we were leaving a karaoke night and one of the guys says "im driving home does anyone need a lift?" and she says no because I am taking her home. And I live there right next to the event. So literally this girl walked away from a car park.... where this dude has to get in his car anyways to drive himself home... and then followed me to my house... came inside for a bit.... and then I drove her home.

I cant fucking read minds but I guarantee you I can fuck this girl. And I THINK she is like this..... because I am chasing someone else. And I find that SO FUCKING STUPID. If I was chasing her would the other girl be interested in me and this girl not want me?

I fucking hate everything.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26753803 - 06/18/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
And I am fucking toxic. I am depressed as shit and wish I could kill myself but im too fucking afraid of death. I feel trapped in my body and every action I take seems pre-destined. I dont REALLY have any control. Its just a fucking facade. The culmination of experiences combined with the chemical balances that initially were in my brain at birth are the only factors dictating my every movement as I interact with the world around me.

I am literally trapped. The nature of reality is to be trapped. I want to fucking die. But... as I am a COWARD.... here I stand before you today.



LOL, you think we couldn't see straight through your facade, even in word, to all of the above, even when you vehemently denied it? You're beyond obvious.

You might be able convince airheads, but anyone with any genuine life experience and wisdom is going to see straight through you.

Well done for admitting it. It's the first step. Now to stop manipulating people and work on yourself.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26756346 - 06/19/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What are you talking about? Are we even having a conversation here?

Are you just trying to "get me" and "win"?

No one in my real life thinks I hurt them. They see me as a super nice guy thats sad. I walk around looking down at the ground. I never say anything unkind about anyone. I make every person I talk to feel like they are the only person in the world while I am talking to them. I hurt so bad and I just dont want anyone else to feel that way.



What you are seeing.... on this forum post.... is the RANT after a bad day at work. How the fuck do you not get that?



I'm fucked up from working overseas as a social worker / medic. Too much death and misery has permanently scarred me from human interactions. All I can do is shut off my brain and respond to each individual statement with a sweethearted reply. It soothes me. Nice and simple... just always be nice.



But anyway. I guess I'm done here. You arent having a conversation. Youre trying to "win". Whatever it is that you are trying to win.... It doesnt even make sense. You probably just have an ego and cant back down. You need to keep running forward with whatever initial bias you developed. You were probably triggered by a word like "manipulator" or "liar" and it automatically put you on the defensive. Who knows how much of that was subconscious and how much of it was/is conscious.

But I'll never know. And honestly what help can you give me at this point anyways? Youre just gonna keep trying to point out that I'm the bad bad no-no man when in reality I'm just not.

It would literally be like you saying "YOU DRUG ADDICT!" when I dont use drugs. How do we even progress in the convo from that point?


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Anonymous #5

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26775789 - 06/23/20 02:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
And I am fucking toxic. I am depressed as shit and wish I could kill myself but im too fucking afraid of death. I feel trapped in my body and every action I take seems pre-destined. I dont REALLY have any control. Its just a fucking facade. The culmination of experiences combined with the chemical balances that initially were in my brain at birth are the only factors dictating my every movement as I interact with the world around me.

I am literally trapped. The nature of reality is to be trapped. I want to fucking die. But... as I am a COWARD.... here I stand before you today.




As a life long sufferer of depression, no amount of sex, money, drugs or niceties will ever cure it. Depression when channeled correctly is quite healthy, a disdain for externals and "things of this life" is evolution but also volatile.

You are not alone. Keep on keeping on, brother!


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Anonymous #6

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #26777514 - 06/23/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This response is mostly in direction to the OP, but much of it is said for the topic in-general. If the OP wants to score good women, then his methods will need to change.

Understanding women's biological wiring is half the battle. When women are pushed away, they perceive themselves as "not good enough, lacking", alternatively, the man who pushed them away is a superior mate that has higher ambitions and they now want him. A man who doesn't need a woman, likely has superior resources. Women evaluate men based on the resources he provides and its her job to distribute those resources to her offspring. Women are attracted to the men with the most status, power, wealth, aka resources; while men are visually oriented, playful, and want a woman that looks good, who is fun to be around.

Anon #2 hit it pretty good. Women are vicious and will instinctively see their own friends as enemies when it comes to courting a qualified man. Other women with good looks are threatening, even to women in a firm relationship as the better looker might steal the other's man away. Those resources will no longer be available to the original girl's offspring. If you start being nice to her friends, it's going to send off all kinds of alarms with her; alarms telling her to move her ass or lose a potential mate. Again, resources, you don't need her or any of her friends; it correlates to not being needy which means you are probably a high resource male and biologically, a high quality candidate.

I'm by no means a model or great looking, but when compared against the average male, I'm a very viable candidate. Combine above average looks with a lack of interest in women, lack of a wedding ring, and hanging out in the gardening and home improvement departments; women tend to look over at me quite a bit, but most of them aren't suitable women. Those that find the fortitude, ambition, initiative, etc, to approach me have a much better chance of catching my attention.

Women, take note: If you see someone who you think is top quality, you need to go approach him and break some ice because he's probably got little to no interest in looking for you or playing the run-around; he has things to do and places to be.

This a big part of why I stopped wasting my time with women all together, especially in a system with no-fault divorce, courts that side with women, where mere "dissatisfaction" is grounds for taking half of your life (she simply saw a better, more resource rich male). The alpha woman, warrior type that I want, simply don't exist anymore; because historically they all died. There are no more shield maidens. When the invading tribe over powers your tribe's men and kills them all, they must be inferior and women will take the new, superior men, without a second thought. Likewise, if the existing tribe's men repels the invaders, then the women view their men as superior mates.

OP:Getting women isn't terribly difficult; getting high quality women who think, stand on their own, aren't needy, and have your back, can be exceptionally difficult and time consuming. Pseudo-passive hunting is a good approach, incorporate it into your lifestyle and talk to the women who take the initiative to approach you; you may be surprised how much better they are.

OP: Low quality women who are unlikely to amount to anything want a dominating, powerful, resource rich, manipulative hardass; if you don't want those women and you don't want to be a man like that, then stop wasting your time with them. The manipulation game will score plenty of low quality women; passive shopping methods will score very few women, but they will be of much higher quality. Dress well, keep your shoes clean, ensure your figure is immaculate; go to places where there will be good women who share your interests, like plant shows, art shows, etc.

Ever hear women say all the bad men are straight and all the good men are gay or not interested? Upkeep your body and appearance as if you were gay and I don't mean rainbow shoes. Take pride in your beard, your hair style, clean up your face, no holes in your cloths and they better be complementary colors; keep your car clean too, especially the interior and it better smell good.

Men, have a personal contact card made for yourself; you don't need to own or work for a business to get a card. Just a simple, clean, card with your name and contact information on it. You can get a box of 250+ from the UPS store for $20, they will even design it for you for about $10. Having a card is an excellent way to market yourself and it applies to more than just women and dating. Prospective employment, and well-to-do / well connected acquaintances may also factor your sexy card, with it's crispy edges and smudge free faces, into their perception of you. Having a card and a holder to keep them in says a lot about any man, it's making a statement.

Everything I have said about appearances, your car, your contact card, etc, makes a statement. Some aspects more profound than others but in a nutshell, the statement says that you are cut from a better cloth and you give a damn. People like it, and there are a minority of women who recognize that class and probably have some themselves. The women who have class tend to be above the biological dispositions; they have a high degree of self-confidence and know what they are worth.

I personally just want a woman who will just be a companion, who will be nice to me, stand as an equal, and share in my interests / hobbies. I have learned over the years that looking for this is asking alot, probably too much. A large part of the reason more men are flying solo these days is due to the lack of women who are simply nice to be around. I find myself more interested in men due in large part to the dwindling supply of quality women. For every nice woman, there are hundreds of not-nice women; however, the supply of high quality men is anything but lacking.

Sad times we live in, but, best of luck OP! There are good women out there but they will take a lot of time and effort to find, and even more to date. I hope the information in this post is helpful to someone out there. There is also absolutely nothing wrong with using forums and dating apps to coordinate for a mutual event in-order to befriend someone. I may incorporate this method in the future for some conventions, but it's not a replacement for having class.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #26778113 - 06/23/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Urrrr... you really don't have a healthy perspective on the subject either do you?


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Anonymous #5

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26778324 - 06/24/20 02:35 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
Urrrr... you really don't have a healthy perspective on the subject either do you?




Who me?


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Anonymous #4

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #26779208 - 06/24/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
What are you talking about? Are we even having a conversation here?

Are you just trying to "get me" and "win"?

No one in my real life thinks I hurt them. They see me as a super nice guy thats sad. I walk around looking down at the ground. I never say anything unkind about anyone. I make every person I talk to feel like they are the only person in the world while I am talking to them. I hurt so bad and I just dont want anyone else to feel that way.



What you are seeing.... on this forum post.... is the RANT after a bad day at work. How the fuck do you not get that?



I'm fucked up from working overseas as a social worker / medic. Too much death and misery has permanently scarred me from human interactions. All I can do is shut off my brain and respond to each individual statement with a sweethearted reply. It soothes me. Nice and simple... just always be nice.



But anyway. I guess I'm done here. You arent having a conversation. Youre trying to "win". Whatever it is that you are trying to win.... It doesnt even make sense. You probably just have an ego and cant back down. You need to keep running forward with whatever initial bias you developed. You were probably triggered by a word like "manipulator" or "liar" and it automatically put you on the defensive. Who knows how much of that was subconscious and how much of it was/is conscious.

But I'll never know. And honestly what help can you give me at this point anyways? Youre just gonna keep trying to point out that I'm the bad bad no-no man when in reality I'm just not.

It would literally be like you saying "YOU DRUG ADDICT!" when I dont use drugs. How do we even progress in the convo from that point?




Sorry you're feeling bad, dude.
Tough love again: It's time to grow up.
You're irrationally angry and making excuses instead of just LISTENING to what we're saying.
We're not trying to "win". Where the hell is that even coming from?
You got one thing right, it certainly doesn't make any sense. General rule of thumb: if a group of people's actions aren't making sense, maybe you're misinterpreting their intentions.

The fact that you're claiming we must've just been "triggered" by some word you said proves you're not willing to face yourself. You have to dismiss all criticism.

Look, man. When I was 19, I was on this site and someone criticized me. I blew up: "You don't fucking know me! Fuck you!" Everyone ganged up on me like "You sound like a high school kid. You have a lot of growing up to do." I still cringe at myself for that. That's what you're doing. Let this be that moment for you.

You can listen and take what everyone is saying to heart or you can dismiss, accuse and get all of the blame off of yourself. Downside to that, of course, is that this cycle will keep repeating.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #26781022 - 06/25/20 02:35 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I am king kong of accepting criticism and changing my views.

No one here has even been able to read what I'm saying and not assume I'm full of shit and respond to what I am talking about. It is a sad reality I live in where strangers who dont know me assume I am full of myself and probably lying.



Basically what I'm irritated by......... is I used to be good with women back when I lied and cheated. When I treated women poorly. Now I am RUTHLESSLY honest. I am so honest I get fucking brain lag sometimes when I have to find a way to say the honest thing without hurting peoples feelings. I just stand there like a fucking psychopath for 5 seconds and the person I'm talking to can see right through me and can tell that I am trying to find a nice way to respond.

I guarantee you fuckers have no god damn clue what its like to be THIS honest.


Anyways... I exist like this while also being very nice to everyone. And I make a lot of friends... male and female. I'll be friends with a particular female for a while and develop feelings for them. Then I will court them. Eventually ask them out and get told off. My assumption is that they want my badass friendship not to end. Because I'm a KILLER friend.


So I guess what this rant online here is basically saying..... Isnt the game of dating FUCKING stupid? Like fuck. I could easily get these women.... if I just started bullshitting. Or didnt try to be nice. Women shouldnt have liked me back when I was a dick years ago.




And again.... these forum posts are not at all how I act in person. Or think most of the time. I am just frustrated and ranting. Like someone who had a bad day at work.


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Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #26781048 - 06/25/20 03:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
I am king kong of accepting criticism and changing my views.

I guarantee you fuckers have no god damn clue what its like to be THIS honest.



You're full of shit is what you are. Lacking in self awareness, transparently depressed, and over-compensatorily arrogant.

Toxic combination.

Please go away and take a long hard look at yourself.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26781097 - 06/25/20 03:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I am king kong of accepting criticism and changing my views.



Quote:

I guarantee you fuckers have no god damn clue what its like to be THIS honest.



Quote:

My assumption is that they want my badass friendship not to end. Because I'm a KILLER friend.



Quote:

Like fuck. I could easily get these women.... if I just started bullshitting. Or didnt try to be nice. Women shouldnt have liked me back when I was a dick years ago.




Wikipedia - Narcissistic Defences

I don't think you're a piece of shit. I don't know you. If you truly believe everything you've said in this thread though, I think you're very dangerous. Whether you believe me or not, you're thinking is delusional and puts all blame onto others. The worse you feel, the more you'll hate women and humanity because we're where the blame goes for your negative feelings. That looks like Eric Harris, T.J Lane or Eliot Roger.

I know that if you truly believe what you're saying I won't be able to get through to you but I tried.


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Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26781107 - 06/25/20 04:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
I am king kong of accepting criticism and changing my views.

I guarantee you fuckers have no god damn clue what its like to be THIS honest.



You're full of shit is what you are. Lacking in self awareness, transparently depressed, and over-compensatorily arrogant.

Toxic combination.

Please go away and take a long hard look at yourself.





So just look at this for a second. If I have not told a lie.... then how am I to listen to your criticism if your criticism assumes I'm lying? Lol.


Does that not make sense to you?

Being honest requires boasting because I am not shit at everything. Some shit im good at. Sorry if that hurts your fragile ego. I wont be modest.

But AGAIN none of this is commenting on the things I'm talking about. Just pissy about the way I'm typing.



I'm self aware. Me saying im self aware makes you think that I'm not self aware. So what am I supposed to say? I'm not self aware?


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Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #26781117 - 06/25/20 04:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #4 said:
Quote:

I am king kong of accepting criticism and changing my views.



Quote:

I guarantee you fuckers have no god damn clue what its like to be THIS honest.



Quote:

My assumption is that they want my badass friendship not to end. Because I'm a KILLER friend.



Quote:

Like fuck. I could easily get these women.... if I just started bullshitting. Or didnt try to be nice. Women shouldnt have liked me back when I was a dick years ago.




Wikipedia - Narcissistic Defences

I don't think you're a piece of shit. I don't know you. If you truly believe everything you've said in this thread though, I think you're very dangerous. Whether you believe me or not, you're thinking is delusional and puts all blame onto others. The worse you feel, the more you'll hate women and humanity because we're where the blame goes for your negative feelings. That looks like Eric Harris, T.J Lane or Eliot Roger.

I know that if you truly believe what you're saying I won't be able to get through to you but I tried.




I do not hate people. I love people. I want them happy. I am not "dangerous" to anyone except perhaps myself. But I highly doubt I'll actually go through with killing myself.

I'll also be married with kids in a few years. I dont hate women especially. I fuckin love them.

What I am doing here is ranting about the way the dating game must be played. I do not like that you have to play some stupid mind games to secure the women you want. And how my no-bullshit attitude gets me inaccurately defined by these women.



Also. I've seen like dead bodies and shit. I've given CPR until death. I've been in horrible fucking countries surrounded by absolute madness. Who the fuck are yall to assume I cant be jaded for REAL reasons? Why do I have to tell my life story to get the assumption that I'm not lying when posting anonymously on a psychedelic forum? For fucks sake. Have we not all here experienced ego death? Have we not all had our glass tree shattered into nothingness and rebuilt afterwards? Where the fuck is your brotherhood?


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Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #26781127 - 06/25/20 04:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
Does that not make sense to you?



Everything you've said since OP makes sense to me. You're incredibly vapid and childlike. You think you're being all kinds of complex and clever but you're really not. I've come across plenty of men who sound just like you, and it's really quite simple.

You need help, and as long as you're here talking about how great you are and how we just don't understand you you're not getting help or helping yourself.

You think you know better. You don't. It's never too late to realize that.


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Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26781143 - 06/25/20 04:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
Does that not make sense to you?



Everything you've said since OP makes sense to me. You're incredibly vapid and childlike. You think you're being all kinds of complex and clever but you're really not. I've come across plenty of men who sound just like you, and it's really quite simple.

You need help, and as long as you're here talking about how great you are and how we just don't understand you you're not getting help or helping yourself.

It's never too late.




I know the people that I sound like. They bother the shit out of me because it makes my surface seem like their whole being.

You would have to get to know me to understand.


What help should I get? To learn how to not be egotistical and manipulative? Are THOSE my problems?



The way I think is accurate. I WISH I could think in a different way. The same way an athiest would LOVE to believe in God and not fear death. I would LOVE to think theres some magical reason for all our personalities beyond simply initial brain chemistry and culmination of life events. I would KILL for it. But it is simply not the case.




And I honestly dont think theres even a conversation going on between us right now. Youve checked out at some point when you tagged me in your head as egotistical. Me saying I'm not egotistical is more evidence to you that I am. Its self-fulfilling.


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Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #26781157 - 06/25/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Anonymous #1 said:
The way I think is accurate.



So I guess you're the first human in the world to have gained this power.. wow. You should be, like, king Buddhist of the world.

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
I WISH I could think in a different way.



What's this 'different way'?

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Anonymous #1 said:
Youve checked out at some point when you tagged me in your head as egotistical.



No, your arrogance is a symptom, not a cause.

You are clearly mentally unwell and quite unhappy.

You need to fix these things, not over-compensate here.

I bet you've a vague notion you're doing so, and are fighting yourself.


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Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #26781182 - 06/25/20 05:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
Why do I have to tell my life story to get the assumption that I'm not lying when posting anonymously on a psychedelic forum? For fucks sake.




I don't know who you are. Nobody except the mods do. For all I know, we could discuss things often in other sections and I could already really like you. There is virtually nothing at stake for you here in terms of reputation. Why be so bothered by our anonymous perceptions?

And as for brotherhood, this is what brotherhood looks like. Maybe I'm coming off as much more antagonistic than I'd like to. I'm not trying to put you down, I'm trying to guide you out of dysfunctional thinking. Bros call each other out when they're acting shitty.


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Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #26781514 - 06/25/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I of course want Bros to point out problems. I am a massive advocate of it and quite regularly get myself into trouble in doing so. I will get to the bottom of criticism o receive down to the most nuanced of ways.

So what is it in my thinking that is wrong? I feel like it's objectively correct though is painful to think that way.

Like a woman will like me more if I'm not interested for example. That is fucking stupid. And then all the other things relating to picking up women. All that shit is stupid.


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Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26781654 - 06/25/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No, you just have a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature, and because of your arrogance, rather than accept that you might be wrong, you instead act like you know better and judge the whole world as 'stupid'.


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Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26781749 - 06/25/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
No, you just have a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature, and because of your arrogance, rather than accept that you might be wrong, you instead act like you know better and judge the whole world as 'stupid'.





Alright so what are the flaws in my understanding of human nature?


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Anonymous #3

Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26781820 - 06/25/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No spoonfeeding.


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Re: Game of dating and how I'm viewed as weak when really I'm strong. [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26782350 - 06/25/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
No spoonfeeding.





To me it sounds like youre mad at the WAY I'm typing and not the content.


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