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pineninja
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Xenophobia. 3
#26740414 - 06/12/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think meeting people from other cultures breaks down (for most) the notions of any real or substantial differences between us, beside culture. Without this interaction is one of the real risks of our cultural isolation a dramatic rise in xenophobic behaviours?
Im seeing it here albeit at a low level here between states which are differentiated only really by median wealth. How does that look when its played out on a world scale when difference is already perceived at a much higher level?
Could this social awakening of global awareness be a short term rise before entrenched difference comes back even stronger?
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To be clear I dont agree with the video I just find it funny AF
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Edited by ichugwindex (06/12/20 07:55 PM)
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Communication is key. I've noticed two sides of xenophobia generally in several different places that I've lived. Populations which are not exposed to other cultures directly and are xenophobic because they have not been exposed to the other culture at all. And populations which are directly exposed to another culture (ie: lives in the same general area with daily, indirect interaction) which is culturally isolated from the larger culture through language and relationships. I'd say that the latter is generally worse because negative stereotypes are self confirming (though biased), and the former is easier to overcome (through first time exposure) though more negative at first glance.
Have lived in two cities with large refugee populations as a percentage of the larger population, in two entirely different areas of the country. Openness to these cultures was more divided in areas where refugee populations were larger, and more importantly less integrated into the larger culture (through language, relationships, cultural norms). Larger groups of people with similar backgrounds tend to form stronger communities amongst themselves and don't necessarily branch out, and this causes general division because of communication breakdown a lot of the time.
Let's say you have a kid from another country in a high school as a foreign exchange student. He/she is the only one of their cultural background at the school. Generally, the existing population will be more receptive to him/her because they are a new person and are brought into different groups as a whole. He/she will have a better time learning the language/dialect of the population as a whole, will be required to form relationships with people of a different background, and will not generally find themselves socially isolated.
Contrast that to a larger group of immigrants who are a minority in the general population at the school, but which form a large enough group to become isolated through language and relationships, and you'll generally find a stronger division among them and the other groups, and it might take years for these dynamics to be worked out. Because some people don't have a personal relationship with anyone from that group of people, often the negative traits of a single person from that background may be negatively attributed to all of them; and in some cases, the group as a whole does have the negative trait (as viewed by others) because of the cultural differences or barriers of group isolation. For example, it might be true that many of a certain group cannot drive, but that may be because there are not systems in place to teach them how to do so in their language, and they have trouble learning the native language because they are isolated (noting that isolation goes both ways, it's self inflicted as a group and inflicted by the larger group as well).
I think the solution is different for different groups of people relative to the region they are migrating to. For example in the United States there is a large Mexican/latin american population, but it's generational and varies by region. Locations with established populations for many generations are fully integrated and there is less cultural division in that area, and the established population may even be divided from new generations of incoming immigrant populations that they themselves are from. But the networks are in place to assume some level of incoming populations from this cultural background.
Contrast that to a large refugee population which is often set up in a few locations across the country, in much larger numbers, and without smaller generations of people with the same background before them to integrate with, and the systems are not in place to culturally integrate, there are instead systems in place which promote group isolation and even young kids do not pick up on the language and culture as quickly, further isolating them into self supporting group dynamics and cultural division. Many people may not see this division at play if they have not lived in an area with that population, or they may be from a different area where they knew someone with the same background who themselves was more culturally integrated and their perception of the group as a whole is positive from those interactions.
I think the fix for the second example of refugee populations is to spread populations of refugee groups out more. This increases positive exposure to different cultures on both sides and allows development of relationships, language and networks that are not self isolating.
Edited by PatrickKn (06/12/20 08:37 PM)
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Not sure exactly what you're saying op but I dont think you're giving enough credit to how much xenophobia and nationalism is engineered by those in power. I think it's a natural thing to some extent, but that somewhat inane feeling by the ignorant is milked for political ends to absolutely atrocious degrees.
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pineninja
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Absolutely. But do you think the forms of communication that we will be forced to use for the foreseeable future are adequate?
Can we understand someone In a 15 minute face time?
It's the us and them thing I think is almost inevitable. Blue eyes brown eyes.
Even when falsely percieved (or purposefully imagined) the notion of difference or separation has ....peculiar results on our behaviours. How powerful that difference when I've physically drawn the line then defended it. More so than in many many generations.
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Edited by pineninja (06/12/20 11:44 PM)
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The forces that benefit from turmoil and divisiveness I also believe see this as a potential golden goose.
I do think what we've seen atleast over my lifetime there has been an unprecedent mixing of cultures in a physical one on one basis that has had to have had a profound yet subtle effect on world peace.
I think its due to its subtle nature it may be being undervalued or thought about.
Mind you the whole things a shit show and we were/are a long long way away. I'm saying without that mixing itd be worse.
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I agree it's a perfect situation for those who want to be divisive, this situation enables that.
There is a long history of people who will amplify any little difference because it benefits them. These little fears and racisms are turned into making people subhuman and justifying mass murder on the name of a state or clan. And many people are willing to ignore or outright deny that they are complacent in that.
It is not something that is anywhere close to being managed, it is happening still all over the world, and the most powerful entities are signing off on it.
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We do not readily enough realise the drive that our emotions provide. They never forget it and use it against us.
As an aside no better displayed (or profited from) than in the markets.
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The markets that are just casinos for the ones who treat labor like gambling chips.
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The markets are all that matters. Not labor to them just numbers and manipulation.
The more specialised they've become the worse it's got. They're very very good at what they do.
And were talkimg numbers that make your entire economy a fraction.
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I mean from their perspective yeah, but to most people the lives lost matter more. America has gone from a capitalist playground to a fascist state and propaganda is so effective that most people aren't aware that tax dollars fund death squads. It's just so bad. I dont have anything else to say about it, and I dont see a way out.
I know this is maybe off topic, but not really. The worst transgressions aren't even putting foreign kids in cages, and that's a scary thing.
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pineninja
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Yeah sorry I was talking from their perspective.
That's because the playground came with caveats. The play equipment was payed for and now owned by a couple of big banks. We are just renting the swings.
Maybe though just maybe we are growing out of the playground stage.....and they're little setup becomes...ever more redundant and liable to being ripped down.
I fucking love making stoned analogy
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Yeah sorry for coming at you every time like it's an argument, and I hope I didn't jack your thread.
I think your analogy makes sense. You have these ultra rich power brokers and all it takes is a series of events to turn them into Gestapo wielding hate mongers, we know it can happen and we know they can convince a population to go along thinking they're on the righteous side.
The term Nazi gets thrown around lightly but just imagine a government that gets away with it, and the death count is so high and obscured it cant even be calculated, that would be crazy if that happened, and keeping people in constant fear of an outside threat would probably be in their toolbox.
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