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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle]
    #26757249 - 06/19/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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They were fighting because they were riddled with propaganda telling them the North is trying to destroy their economy and ruin their lives. Think of the Iraq war. Sure it wasn't really over weapons of mass destruction but tell that to the families of the soldiers who died. People died for the confederacy and it wasn't slave owners dying, they were exempt from fighting, and when the soldiers died the confederate was flown in their honor.




    There’s nothin honorable about going to war against your own country while being to stupid to realize why you are doing it . Fuck them .
  Saying it wasn’t about slavery is fucking stupid AF.
  It was literally  part of their constitution , it was called the 3/5ths compromise . Article 1 , section 2 .

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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle]
    #26757250 - 06/19/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not against that.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle]
    #26757255 - 06/19/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't see why anyone cares that much if statues get taken down.  Statues aren't history.



Alright then. Lady Liberty called foreigners tired, poor, huddled masses. That's racist. Down she goes.




She was a gift from France. You cant do this man. Not Lady Liberty.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 4
    #26757294 - 06/19/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't see why anyone cares that much if statues get taken down.  Statues aren't history.



Alright then. Lady Liberty called foreigners tired, poor, huddled masses. That's racist. Down she goes.




She was a gift from France. You cant do this man. Not Lady Liberty.




A decent percentage of the population can't handle any historic symbol today.

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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #26757627 - 06/19/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You can wave the flag all day.  It's your first amendment right to do so.  NASCAR can disallow it in their events.  That's their first amendment right.  Freedom is awesome, isn't it!




And this why NASCAR sucks. If anything they need more controversy. Maybe have a KKK car that everyone boos and hopes loses.

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Well when you are literally flying a flag that represents the rebel effort to preserve slavery you aren't being particularly secretive about it. Ignorance really isn't a particularly good excuse when you want to own human beings to preserve free labor.



Also by this logic the US flag represents not paying your taxes and that's all it will ever mean. I guess that would explain Trump hugging the flag at his rally.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle]
    #26757675 - 06/19/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What does the flag have to do with tax evasion?


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil]
    #26757759 - 06/19/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Boston tea party perhaps? :justdontknow:

I did get a chuckle on the hugging the flag bit, at least he admitted hes crooked and many loved him for it. :facepalm3:

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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil]
    #26758002 - 06/19/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't see why anyone cares that much if statues get taken down.  Statues aren't history.



Is that a 2 way street?

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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #26758010 - 06/19/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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They were fighting because they were riddled with propaganda telling them the North is trying to destroy their economy and ruin their lives. Think of the Iraq war. Sure it wasn't really over weapons of mass destruction but tell that to the families of the soldiers who died. People died for the confederacy and it wasn't slave owners dying, they were exempt from fighting, and when the soldiers died the confederate was flown in their honor.




    There’s nothin honorable about going to war against your own country while being to stupid to realize why you are doing it . Fuck them .
  Saying it wasn’t about slavery is fucking stupid AF.
  It was literally  part of their constitution , it was called the 3/5ths compromise . Article 1 , section 2 .



Thats where you're misunderstanding. Back then states were like countries hence the union. When a person fought for their state it was like they were fighting for their country

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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26758072 - 06/19/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't see why anyone cares that much if statues get taken down.  Statues aren't history.



Is that a 2 way street?



It's not a street at all.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle] * 1
    #26759200 - 06/20/20 05:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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...Maybe have a KKK car that everyone boos and hopes loses.



Have you been to a NASCAR event? 
I suspect most of their regular fans
would LOVE to cheer for a KKK car. :smirk:

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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: vinsue] * 1
    #26759221 - 06/20/20 06:30 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

They would. It could turn it into a WWW type good vs evil comic book situation.

But that wouldn't go over too good right now. From a marketing standpoint, it would have been a money maker.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26759378 - 06/20/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You know this would draw a crowd.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle]
    #26760391 - 06/20/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think Bubba Wallace's race car is cool. Was reading he's copped plenty of shit from Nascar fans.
Was also reading that Richard Petty asked for the peace sign to be put on the car... now that's a true champion, I dig stuff like that.
That paint job on the number 43 car speaks volumes :thumbup: even if he's nowhere near the podium at the end.
Talladega will be interesting this weekend.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26761101 - 06/20/20 11:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Thats where you're misunderstanding. Back then states were like countries hence the union. When a person fought for their state it was like they were fighting for their country




Oh no shit , so then the confederacy was like a super country . 
  It’s too bad people felt their states were like countries , if they had actually been countries they wouldn’t of had to succeed and they wouldn’t of needed to have a war .


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2] * 3
    #26762394 - 06/21/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Technically, the word "state" means a sovereign nation.  The original idea was that the 13 sovereign states would be united as the United States.  That's the reason the Constitution is written as a limitation on the Federal Government.  It's a compromise that was intended to be 13 sovereign states giving up some of their power in order to be united under one federal government. 

If you asked a Virginian his nationality at the founding of this country, he'd call himself a Virginian.  No one thought of themselves as "American" or even a citizen of the United States.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26770545 - 06/22/20 03:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Well i actually think nascar can do whatever they want. I was just saying that there's a lot of people like me who associate the flag with music and stuff and not necessarily the history




Kinda have to fly it at your own risk in allot of states . You will get beat the fuck down flying that shit in California . Haven’t seen it once in the 20 years since I’ve moved here . 
  Most people don’t associate tv shows like the dukes of hazard with reality or history .



So that’s where California draws the line, the confederate flag? You beat people up over a flag but don’t have a problem with high taxes and needles and turds in your streets? I don’t give a shit about the flag myself, and I care even less than that about NASCAR. It’s been dying for a long time because it’s stupid as shit. Drive fast, turn left. Repeat a couple hundred times.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #26772660 - 06/22/20 04:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

"NASCAR announced it was investigating after a noose was found hanging in driver Bubba Wallace's garage stall Sunday at Talladega, nearly two weeks after prohibiting any images or displays of the Confederate flag at events...."
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/noose-found-hanging-bubba-wallaces-garage-stall-talladega-nascar-says
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: vinsue] * 1
    #26773603 - 06/22/20 06:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I've been to plenty of NASCAR events, both top level and supporting series, and I think their fans are for the most part less racist than we are imagining here. That said, the noose situation is pretty nuts. I bet they find the person who did it, many tracks have loads of security cameras in the paddock areas.


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    #26774038 - 06/22/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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If you asked a Virginian his nationality at the founding of this country, he'd call himself a Virginian.  No one thought of themselves as "American" or even a citizen of the United States.




 
    Was that a correct way to look at it though, 80 years later  ? I always thought states were governing bodies that exist within a country .  It was the American revolution not the Virginia revolution .
What changed then and when ? Why doesn’t my passport say citizen of California ?


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