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NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag, Southern States Follow Suit
#26740413 - 06/12/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pretty surprising considering NASCAR's fan base: https://www.statesman.com/sports/20200612/golden-did-nascar-really-just-ban-confederate-flag-thats-progress
A little history about the Confederate Flag: https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/06/confederate-flag-democrats/
Mississippi retires the Confederate Flag: https://time.com/5862506/mississippi-retires-state-flag-confederate/
How do you feel about the ban? About time? Should NASCAR ban the racist flag? Or does it infringe on the 1st Amendment?
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
#26740461 - 06/12/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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They must have thought allowing racist bitches to show off their racist participation treason trophy would cause their ticket sales to drop . Good for them, they shouldn’t let the deplorable basket of worthless assholes ruin what they have worked so hard for with their crazy horseshit . Fuck maga .
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2] 2
#26740492 - 06/12/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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There’s no really way to enforce it, but its a nice gesture.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: christopera]
#26740565 - 06/12/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kinda funny though I think there has only been like 1 black driver in the history of the sport . He sucked too . NASCAR is really boring to watch , but I imagine it would be the second coolest thing I could possibly do with a machine on wheels . Just 1 step below dirt bike sidecar racing .
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2]
#26741016 - 06/13/20 03:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thankfully all I think of when I see that flag is a 440 Charger with the door handles welded shut.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: christopera]
#26741091 - 06/13/20 05:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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christopera said: There’s no really way to enforce it, but its a nice gesture.
They encouraged fans to not display the confederate flag a couple years ago, but stopped short of a ban. Now they have banned it, and it sounds to me like they have every intention of enforcing it.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2]
#26741141 - 06/13/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psilynut2 said: Kinda funny though I think there has only been like 1 black driver in the history of the sport . He sucked too . NASCAR is really boring to watch , but I imagine it would be the second coolest thing I could possibly do with a machine on wheels . Just 1 step below dirt bike sidecar racing .
Maybe you're thinking of Willy T. Ribs? He was a great road racer and did well in Trans Am as well as other series. Just about any Formula car mid level and up or proper Prototype would blow the wheels of any stock car. Driving ovals is also pretty boring, i've done it a number of times. Though there is a certain art to racing them well.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Brian Jones]
#26741152 - 06/13/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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christopera said: There’s no really way to enforce it, but its a nice gesture.
They encouraged fans to not display the confederate flag a couple years ago, but stopped short of a ban. Now they have banned it, and it sounds to me like they have every intention of enforcing it.
I'm not sure if you have ever been to a race, NASCAR or otherwise, but lots of things are banned. Fireworks, open fires, laser pointers, drones, all sort of shit. The security is generally pretty understaffed so it all happens anyways. NASCAR owns a lot of the facilities they race at, so they may be more effective at it then other series, but I'm willing to bet it will be a shit show.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: christopera]
#26741169 - 06/13/20 06:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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How can you ban the Confederate Flag when you're about races in the South? 
Good riddance 
Imagine Bayern, Germany had a racing sport where they still flew the swastika flag.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Asante]
#26741209 - 06/13/20 07:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm all for banning the confederate flag at just about everything. Don't get me wrong. I just think that NASCAR is going to have a very hard time enforcing it. If you've ever been to a touring car race or a Formula 1 race you are bound to see some absolutely crazy shit in the camp grounds.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: christopera]
#26741289 - 06/13/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe you're thinking of Willy T. Ribs He was a great road racer and did well in Trans Am as well as other series. Just about any Formula car mid level and up or proper Prototype would blow the wheels of any stock car. Driving ovals is also pretty boring
I’m not sure , I didn’t know this they have a black driver now named Bubba Wallace and he is going to drive a black lives matter car , and that’s pretty much the reason . I know open wheel cars are faster , just thought driving with that many people and bumping them would be a riot . I don’t see how it can be enforced either , last race I went to was a circus .
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: christopera]
#26741345 - 06/13/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe you're thinking of Willy T. Ribs? He was a great road racer and did well in Trans Am as well as other series. Just about any Formula car mid level and up or proper Prototype would blow the wheels of any stock car. Driving ovals is also pretty boring, i've done it a number of times. Though there is a certain art to racing them well.
I agree that Formula is a much more advanced type of racing. But they still come over to NASCAR from CART or Formula, because that's where the popularity and the money is, in the U.S.
I don't know a lot about racing, but I respect Formula, because it appears to be so dangerous, going so fast then slowing down so much for sharp corners. A lot different than NASCAR at the superspeedways just keeping it floored the whole time and turning left.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: christopera]
#26741388 - 06/13/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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christopera said: There’s no really way to enforce it, but its a nice gesture.
They encouraged fans to not display the confederate flag a couple years ago, but stopped short of a ban. Now they have banned it, and it sounds to me like they have every intention of enforcing it.
I'm not sure if you have ever been to a race, NASCAR or otherwise, but lots of things are banned. Fireworks, open fires, laser pointers, drones, all sort of shit. The security is generally pretty understaffed so it all happens anyways. NASCAR owns a lot of the facilities they race at, so they may be more effective at it then other series, but I'm willing to bet it will be a shit show.
Yeah, they're not going to be able to enforce it, not gonna happen. In fact, I expect to see many of the fans to now go out of their way to display it just out of spite.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: qman] 1
#26741399 - 06/13/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wonder if we'll see an executive order from Trump stating that NASCAR is now a public forum and can't censor people. Oh wait...no. He only abuses his position to help himself. He isn't a NASCAR fan, so why would he give a shit?
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: qman]
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Yeah, they're not going to be able to enforce it, not gonna happen. In fact, I expect to see many of the fans to now go out of their way to display it just out of spite.
It will play well in the mainstream fake news media though . That’s really important and probably more important than ticket sales considering they have a massive revenue stream coming from the sale of tv rights . They also make money from sanctioning fees and sponsorships . Teams receive a percentage of the money from tv rights . It’s not hard to see why they did this . They have to appeal to mainstream America to survive .
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil] 1
#26742502 - 06/13/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I wonder if we'll see an executive order from Trump stating that NASCAR is now a public forum and can't censor people. Oh wait...no. He only abuses his position to help himself. He isn't a NASCAR fan, so why would he give a shit?
He'll probably pretend to like NASCAR, to attract a demographic likely to favor him. Like he pretends to be Christian.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Brian Jones]
#26752498 - 06/17/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't see how it's racist. I mean lots of countries have had slavery and yet it didn't magically make their flags racist for all time.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle]
#26752582 - 06/17/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nothing magic about it. The confederacy existed solely to protect the institution of slavery.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil]
#26752729 - 06/17/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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We should see if people would be willing to fly the Saudi Arabia flag at races. I'm sure NASCAR has no issues there.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil] 1
#26753337 - 06/18/20 04:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Nothing magic about it. The confederacy existed solely to protect the institution of slavery.
And that's the flag's fault? You really think all the people that fly it are doing it out of some kind of secret love of slavery and not the reasons they will tell you?
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle] 3
#26753451 - 06/18/20 06:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well when you are literally flying a flag that represents the rebel effort to preserve slavery you aren't being particularly secretive about it. Ignorance really isn't a particularly good excuse when you want to own human beings to preserve free labor.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle] 3
#26753479 - 06/18/20 06:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't see how it's racist. I mean lots of countries have had slavery and yet it didn't magically make their flags racist for all time
It’s not our countries flag . It’s not like Trumps base lived and died there for 1000s of years or something . The confederacy lasted 4 years , that’s less time than Trumps failed casinos , nirvana lasted longer than that . I dont see how people can base their heritage on something so short lived . It’s crazy .
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2] 4
#26753515 - 06/18/20 07:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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And then there is this

The flag was rarely used during the Civil War and only got popular again in the 1960s when people were showing support for segregation.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle] 3
#26753527 - 06/18/20 07:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: You really think all the people that fly it are doing it out of some kind of secret love of slavery and not the reasons they will tell you?
Similarly, I get a lot of grief over here in Europe for displaying a swastika flag.
I fly it because I'm a huge fan of autobahns, but the PC snowflakes keep calling me anti-Semitic and racist for some reason.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Guy1980] 2
#26753562 - 06/18/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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You should move to the states , Nazi flags have become allot more popular since the last election .
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle] 2
#26753576 - 06/18/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Flag's fault? Dude, a flag is an inanimate object. It can't be at fault. What are you even asking?
A flag is a symbol. The confederate flag is a symbol of white dominance, black suppression, and slavery.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil]
#26753607 - 06/18/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Flag's fault? Dude, a flag is an inanimate object. It can't be at fault. What are you even asking?
A flag is a symbol. The confederate flag is a symbol of white dominance, black suppression, and slavery.
I got out of a murder conviction because a flag made me do it. The egg is on your face!
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil] 1
#26753802 - 06/18/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Flag's fault? Dude, a flag is an inanimate object. It can't be at fault. What are you even asking?
A flag is a symbol. The confederate flag is a symbol of white dominance, black suppression, and slavery.
What about people like me who associate the flag with TV shows they watched growing up( Dukes of hazzard) or one the first movies i watched with my dad (smokey and the bandit) or heavily associate the flag with my favorite artists such a lynyrd skynyrd or guitarists like dimebag or something? A lot of people like me just see the flag as symbols of southern music, the south and racing. We dont see it as a tool to oppress minorities or actually think the south should have won the war. Meanings of things usually change over time, why should we stick slavery to the flag for perpetuity?
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MagicMush123]
#26753823 - 06/18/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can wave the flag all day. It's your first amendment right to do so. NASCAR can disallow it in their events. That's their first amendment right. Freedom is awesome, isn't it!
Your fond memories of something doesn't change the great pain and suffering that it represents to a large group of people. For most people, nostalgia isn't as important as avoiding causing other people pain. For others, they couldn't care less how others feel as long as they get to do what they want. Where you personally fall on this spectrum between pure selfishness and pure selflessness is a personal decision you must make.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil] 1
#26753863 - 06/18/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well i actually think nascar can do whatever they want. I was just saying that there's a lot of people like me who associate the flag with music and stuff and not necessarily the history. Do you think the flag should be associated with hate into perpetuity? Because like i said a lot of people associate it with music and old tv shows now
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MagicMush123]
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Well, on balance, the social significance of slavery, segregation, and discrimination compared to the social significance of a couple of TV shows and a little bit of music makes it an easy choice which one the flag will ultimately represent. History will decide, but it's doubtful that The Dukes of Hazzard and a few southern rock bands are going to share the same degree of prominence when tracing the path of our society and culture.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MagicMush123]
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Well i actually think nascar can do whatever they want. I was just saying that there's a lot of people like me who associate the flag with music and stuff and not necessarily the history
Kinda have to fly it at your own risk in allot of states . You will get beat the fuck down flying that shit in California . Haven’t seen it once in the 20 years since I’ve moved here . Most people don’t associate tv shows like the dukes of hazard with reality or history .
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2]
#26753895 - 06/18/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I grew up watching the Dukes, and I have personally owned several 1970 dodge chargers as a result of that show. Having said that, if someone shows up to my house with a confederate flag on their car, he/she is not welcome.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil] 1
#26753977 - 06/18/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I spent allot of my youth in Tennessee and I thought the rebel flag was normal back then . I thought black people having their own poor as fuck towns was normal too . Segregation was still a thing in the mid 80s there .
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Enlil said: Flag's fault? Dude, a flag is an inanimate object. It can't be at fault. What are you even asking?
A flag is a symbol. The confederate flag is a symbol of white dominance, black suppression, and slavery.
Many people in the US and around the world perceive the US flag as a symbol of oppression, global dominance, endless wars, violator of human rights and white colonialism.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2]
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Psilynut2 said: I spent allot of my youth in Tennessee and I thought the rebel flag was normal back then . I thought black people having their own poor as fuck towns was normal too . Segregation was still a thing in the mid 80s there .
Segregation based on race and ethnicity isn't "normal" human behavior?
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A flag is a symbol. The confederate flag is a symbol of white dominance, black suppression, and slavery.
Many people in the US and around the world perceive the US flag as a symbol of oppression, global dominance, endless wars, violator of human rights and white colonialism.
Yup, and rightly so.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: qman]
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Segregation based on race and ethnicity isn't "normal" human behavior?
My wife’s grandfather is black and my kids are brown . It’s not to me no . Why Is it normal behavior for you ?
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil] 2
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Seen a meme that stated, when we talk about slavery that lasted for hundreds of years they say, "that was along time ago so we don't need to talk about it".
But when asked to remove the confederate flag and statues from the civil war that lasted 4 years, they say, "no that's our long standing heritage!".
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In my opinion, let the statues stand, that is history that is suppose to remind us of our fuck ups. I could care less about peoples flag fetish honestly, it's there actions I look at to lesson the probability of deceit.
The swastika used to mean prosperity to the Hindus until the Nazi's hijacked it for there own idea of prosperity.
This is what you call a false flag and history shows the confederate flag as a false one when loosely defining the "heritage" behind it.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: qman]
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Some qman sarcasm right there, yessir
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil] 1
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Enlil said: Flag's fault? Dude, a flag is an inanimate object. It can't be at fault. What are you even asking?
A flag is a symbol. The confederate flag is a symbol of white dominance, black suppression, and slavery.
Many people in the US and around the world perceive the US flag as a symbol of oppression, global dominance, endless wars, violator of human rights and white colonialism.
Yup, and rightly so.
So remove it today if possible?
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2]
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Segregation based on race and ethnicity isn't "normal" human behavior?
My wife’s grandfather is black and my kids are brown . It’s not to me no . Why Is it normal behavior for you ?
Historically, it's been more of the norm, right?
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: qman]
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A flag is a symbol. The confederate flag is a symbol of white dominance, black suppression, and slavery.
Many people in the US and around the world perceive the US flag as a symbol of oppression, global dominance, endless wars, violator of human rights and white colonialism.
Yup, and rightly so.
So remove it today if possible?
Remove it from what? I won't fly the flag.
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There is a tear in my flag, I call it the old glory hole. If it happens to become unservicable, I will burn it.
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Qman's underlying silly argument is that the American flag has negative connotations, but we're keeping it. Of course, The American flag is a symbol of what America actually is: A world dominating force of oppression and evil. The way to fix that is not to get rid of the flag but to change how America treats the rest of the world...
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil]
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I completely agree.... it would start with a rewind/ revamping of nationalism....something not just rebranded, but a fundamental change. We can make America great again--- we can't even say that phrase anymore without its illicit connotation.
Flag worship among the populace is commonplace, yet I am willing to bet, that most would be appalled at my decision to burn the flag, yet that is the appropriate disposal method....which displays the blind allegiance/ uneducated national fevers that surrounds it.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil]
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Well, is there any nation states flag that doesn't have negative connotations to at least some people? It really isn't that hard today to be offended.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Flag worship among the populace is commonplace, yet I am willing to bet, that most would be appalled at my decision to burn the flag, yet that is the appropriate disposal method....which displays the blind allegiance/ uneducated national fevers that surrounds it.
I would support your right or decision to burn the flag for any reason.
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Well, is there any nation states flag that doesn't have negative connotations to at least some people? It really isn't that hard today to be offended.
It's never been hard to be offended.
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I support those that dont burn the flag, we agree there.
Category: General Flag Etiquette
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Answer: The Code suggests that, “when a flag has served its useful purpose, it should be destroyed, preferably by burning.” For individual citizens this should be done discreetly so that the act of destruction is not perceived as a protest or desecration. Many American Legion posts conduct Disposal of Unserviceable Flags
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: qman]
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Historically, it's been more of the norm, right?
Depends on the time period I guess . Post slavery for sure . During slavery though we just kept them in our backyards . We didn’t feel the need for it when we owned them , that’s weird huh ?
My wife is from Cartagena Colombia. There was a huge slave trade there . You will see people who look like their ancestors Are from Africa but they don’t look like Black people here in the us . They didn’t have segregation, the gene pools got mixed . I think you could be wrong , I think it may be unique to the American southern states .
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Segregation based on race and ethnicity isn't "normal" human behavior?
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Segregation based on race and ethnicity isn't "normal" human behavior?
My wife’s grandfather is black and my kids are brown . It’s not to me no . Why Is it normal behavior for you ?
Historically, it's been more of the norm, right?
Yes. When you put quotation marks around it, I think I understood your intent; statistically normal. Saying something is the norm makes no moral judgment. It's just an empirical observation on what's usually the case.
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It was an effort to preserve rich men's pocket books, just like the American Revolutionary War. People weren't fighting because they wanted slaves. They were fighting because they were riddled with propaganda telling them the North is trying to destroy their economy and ruin their lives. Think of the Iraq war. Sure it wasn't really over weapons of mass destruction but tell that to the families of the soldiers who died. People died for the confederacy and it wasn't slave owners dying, they were exempt from fighting, and when the soldiers died the confederate was flown in their honor.
So it's not about slavery. It's about massive amounts of people dying for their homeland. Now I'm not from the south, so I'm just saying that's what I've been told and I find it a lot more convincing than the idea that people want express their secret love of slavery.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle] 3
#26757068 - 06/19/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The confederate flag wasn't even a prominent thing during the civil war. It wasn't until later when it was used as a symbol primarily to keep segregation in the South.
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It got more popular when people start pushing the idea that you shouldn't be allowed to show it and they're like "fuck you I'll fly whatever flag I want."
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle]
#26757153 - 06/19/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great discussion guys.
Whats interesting is the symbolism of the US Flag can change with how USA behaves and how it interacts with the world but the Confederate cannot change because it symbolizes a specific part of US History which cannot be changed.
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There are a lot of perspectives. I just saw a George Washington statue toppled. Apparently he's racist too now . In fairness he probably was. Everyone was back then. They didn't know any better. There was no Google to fact check the things you would have repeatedly heard since birth and no scientific studies to verify what anyone believed.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle]
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I don't see why anyone cares that much if statues get taken down. Statues aren't history.
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Some people really look up to statues as a everlasting symbol of that person. Its kinda like defaming their gravestone in a way. A Symbolic Insult if you will.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil]
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Alright then. Lady Liberty called foreigners tired, poor, huddled masses. That's racist. Down she goes.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle]
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They were fighting because they were riddled with propaganda telling them the North is trying to destroy their economy and ruin their lives. Think of the Iraq war. Sure it wasn't really over weapons of mass destruction but tell that to the families of the soldiers who died. People died for the confederacy and it wasn't slave owners dying, they were exempt from fighting, and when the soldiers died the confederate was flown in their honor.
There’s nothin honorable about going to war against your own country while being to stupid to realize why you are doing it . Fuck them . Saying it wasn’t about slavery is fucking stupid AF. It was literally part of their constitution , it was called the 3/5ths compromise . Article 1 , section 2 .
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle]
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I'm not against that.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle]
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Alright then. Lady Liberty called foreigners tired, poor, huddled masses. That's racist. Down she goes.
She was a gift from France. You cant do this man. Not Lady Liberty.
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Alright then. Lady Liberty called foreigners tired, poor, huddled masses. That's racist. Down she goes.
She was a gift from France. You cant do this man. Not Lady Liberty.
A decent percentage of the population can't handle any historic symbol today.
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And this why NASCAR sucks. If anything they need more controversy. Maybe have a KKK car that everyone boos and hopes loses.
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Also by this logic the US flag represents not paying your taxes and that's all it will ever mean. I guess that would explain Trump hugging the flag at his rally.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle]
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What does the flag have to do with tax evasion?
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil]
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Boston tea party perhaps? 
I did get a chuckle on the hugging the flag bit, at least he admitted hes crooked and many loved him for it. 
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil]
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They were fighting because they were riddled with propaganda telling them the North is trying to destroy their economy and ruin their lives. Think of the Iraq war. Sure it wasn't really over weapons of mass destruction but tell that to the families of the soldiers who died. People died for the confederacy and it wasn't slave owners dying, they were exempt from fighting, and when the soldiers died the confederate was flown in their honor.
There’s nothin honorable about going to war against your own country while being to stupid to realize why you are doing it . Fuck them . Saying it wasn’t about slavery is fucking stupid AF. It was literally part of their constitution , it was called the 3/5ths compromise . Article 1 , section 2 .
Thats where you're misunderstanding. Back then states were like countries hence the union. When a person fought for their state it was like they were fighting for their country
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Is that a 2 way street?
It's not a street at all.
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Have you been to a NASCAR event? I suspect most of their regular fans would LOVE to cheer for a KKK car. 
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They would. It could turn it into a WWW type good vs evil comic book situation.
But that wouldn't go over too good right now. From a marketing standpoint, it would have been a money maker.
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You know this would draw a crowd.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle]
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I think Bubba Wallace's race car is cool. Was reading he's copped plenty of shit from Nascar fans. Was also reading that Richard Petty asked for the peace sign to be put on the car... now that's a true champion, I dig stuff like that. That paint job on the number 43 car speaks volumes even if he's nowhere near the podium at the end. Talladega will be interesting this weekend.
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Thats where you're misunderstanding. Back then states were like countries hence the union. When a person fought for their state it was like they were fighting for their country
Oh no shit , so then the confederacy was like a super country . It’s too bad people felt their states were like countries , if they had actually been countries they wouldn’t of had to succeed and they wouldn’t of needed to have a war .
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Technically, the word "state" means a sovereign nation. The original idea was that the 13 sovereign states would be united as the United States. That's the reason the Constitution is written as a limitation on the Federal Government. It's a compromise that was intended to be 13 sovereign states giving up some of their power in order to be united under one federal government.
If you asked a Virginian his nationality at the founding of this country, he'd call himself a Virginian. No one thought of themselves as "American" or even a citizen of the United States.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2]
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Well i actually think nascar can do whatever they want. I was just saying that there's a lot of people like me who associate the flag with music and stuff and not necessarily the history
Kinda have to fly it at your own risk in allot of states . You will get beat the fuck down flying that shit in California . Haven’t seen it once in the 20 years since I’ve moved here . Most people don’t associate tv shows like the dukes of hazard with reality or history .
So that’s where California draws the line, the confederate flag? You beat people up over a flag but don’t have a problem with high taxes and needles and turds in your streets? I don’t give a shit about the flag myself, and I care even less than that about NASCAR. It’s been dying for a long time because it’s stupid as shit. Drive fast, turn left. Repeat a couple hundred times.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2] 1
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"NASCAR announced it was investigating after a noose was found hanging in driver Bubba Wallace's garage stall Sunday at Talladega, nearly two weeks after prohibiting any images or displays of the Confederate flag at events...." https://www.foxnews.com/auto/noose-found-hanging-bubba-wallaces-garage-stall-talladega-nascar-says
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: vinsue] 1
#26773603 - 06/22/20 06:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've been to plenty of NASCAR events, both top level and supporting series, and I think their fans are for the most part less racist than we are imagining here. That said, the noose situation is pretty nuts. I bet they find the person who did it, many tracks have loads of security cameras in the paddock areas.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil]
#26774038 - 06/22/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you asked a Virginian his nationality at the founding of this country, he'd call himself a Virginian. No one thought of themselves as "American" or even a citizen of the United States.
Was that a correct way to look at it though, 80 years later ? I always thought states were governing bodies that exist within a country . It was the American revolution not the Virginia revolution . What changed then and when ? Why doesn’t my passport say citizen of California ?
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2] 1
#26774059 - 06/22/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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States are sovereigns. In America, we kept the name, even though they're not sovereign anymore. Things have changed, and the 14th amendment made a huge change in the way federalism works in the U.S. The 14th was after the civil war and in response to it, however. At the time of the civil war, states were far more independent than they are now. That's the reason that several of them got the idea that they can just leave the union. Turns out they were wrong.
In fact, prior to the Constitution, we had the Articles of Confederation which formed a confederation of sovereign states. It was far weaker than the Constitution. That's kinda what the confederacy was trying to go back to for the south. Who knows what would have happened if they had won, but they very likely would have remained individual sovereign states united by a confederation.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil]
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Was watching an interview today and the gal claims NASCAR banning the confederate flag is the most important event for African Americans since the Civil War.
I find that amusing... Much like the sentiment that removing statues is some kind of progress. Really!?
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
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It's progress in that we (the decent humans of the world) aren't really into owning human beings for our solitary benefit.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle] 1
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Kizzle said: I don't see how it's racist. I mean lots of countries have had slavery and yet it didn't magically make their flags racist for all time.
The confederacy was formed to preserve the “institution of African slavery.” The constitution of the confederate states of America codified white supremacy into law. The whole damn thing was about making sure slavery would not be abolished. Other countries had slavery. No country in the world has ever been founded with the primary motivation of preserving slavery as a right, except the CSA.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: States are sovereigns. In America, we kept the name, even though they're not sovereign anymore. Things have changed, and the 14th amendment made a huge change in the way federalism works in the U.S. The 14th was after the civil war and in response to it, however. At the time of the civil war, states were far more independent than they are now. That's the reason that several of them got the idea that they can just leave the union. Turns out they were wrong.
In fact, prior to the Constitution, we had the Articles of Confederation which formed a confederation of sovereign states. It was far weaker than the Constitution. That's kinda what the confederacy was trying to go back to for the south. Who knows what would have happened if they had won, but they very likely would have remained individual sovereign states united by a confederation.
Except for a few tweaks, and the part about black people being permanently subservient to the rest of the population, the CSA constitution is just a copy paste of the US constitution.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: koods] 2
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#26777611 - 06/23/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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On the cutting edge:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/06/22/mississippi-governor-shoots-down-separate-but-equal-option-for-new-state-flag/amp/
Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves has rejected a call among some state legislators that would like to see Mississippi adopt a second official state flag alongside the current one, which is the only state flag in the U.S. that still contains the Confederate battle flag, saying that the “Separate but Equal” flag option would lead to more division among the people of Mississippi.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: vinsue] 4
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vinsue said: "NASCAR announced it was investigating after a noose was found hanging in driver Bubba Wallace's garage stall Sunday at Talladega, nearly two weeks after prohibiting any images or displays of the Confederate flag at events...." https://www.foxnews.com/auto/noose-found-hanging-bubba-wallaces-garage-stall-talladega-nascar-says
. . . 
Looks like the "noose" was just a garage door pull rope that has been in that same garage since the fall of 2019 (per the FBI). Whoops.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Niffla] 1
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Niffla said:
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vinsue said: "NASCAR announced it was investigating after a noose was found hanging in driver Bubba Wallace's garage stall Sunday at Talladega, nearly two weeks after prohibiting any images or displays of the Confederate flag at events...." https://www.foxnews.com/auto/noose-found-hanging-bubba-wallaces-garage-stall-talladega-nascar-says
. . . 
Looks like the "noose" was just a garage door pull rope that has been in that same garage since the fall of 2019 (per the FBI). Whoops.
I was always wondering why we never saw a picture of the said "noose" 
Ah, here it is: 
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MagicMush123]
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Doh!... stooged again.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Stable Genius] 4
#26778543 - 06/24/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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NASCAR Smolletted us , those bastards.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2] 1
#26778668 - 06/24/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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See, NASCAR fans aren't as crazy as we think, at least not in this instance.
The odd thing about this all is that the president of NASCAR informed Bubba of the "noose." Bubba didn't see it, or report, but he's sure as hell going to receive the brunt of the fans ire. Let's hope they can keep their shit together.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: christopera]
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: evlyshrooms] 1
#26779758 - 06/24/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fake news. Fake noose
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: evlyshrooms] 1
#26780029 - 06/24/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It’s possible that the level of racism that existed in the atmosphere at NASCAR was so pervasive and just accepted as normal that it took a year and a major shift in societies attitude for people to notice the dam thing hanging there and feel bad about it .
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2]
#26780389 - 06/24/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psilynut2 said: It’s possible that the level of racism that existed in the atmosphere at NASCAR was so pervasive and just accepted as normal that it took a year and a major shift in societies attitude for people to notice the dam thing hanging there and feel bad about it .
It was normal. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/23/sports/fbi-probe-says-noose-bubba-wallaces-stall-was-garage-door-pull-rope-not-hate-crime/
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: qman]
#26780582 - 06/24/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Waste of time
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: qman]
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What was normal? It’s not clear what you are saying.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: christopera]
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christopera said: What was normal? It’s not clear what you are saying.
Bubba found a knot that isnused in common garages. Wasnt a ets hang him" noose. Essentially more fake news.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Niffla]
#26780634 - 06/24/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interracials for Trump 🇺🇸 on Twitter: ".@BillyRayTodd this message is for @BubbaWallace & @NASCAR_Xfinity do you know innocent American’s are targeted by your racist hoaxes? https://t.co/rDGvAk1swj" / Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/sandyleevincent/status/1275913536884092928
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MagicMush123]
#26780649 - 06/24/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gross. When will the media be responsible for perpetuating unfounded stories? Absolutely disgusting and upsetting.
I agree with that man, just tell the truth. If you need to lie to prove your point your point is invalid.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: meltdowner]
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The media didn’t find the noose or tell the story , people at NASCAR did . Why can’t we blame them .
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2]
#26781973 - 06/25/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mr. Wallace never even saw it.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil] 1
#26781982 - 06/25/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It was the Nascar president that released the photo and made the announcement .
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2]
#26781989 - 06/25/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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He's a legitimately bad person.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil]
#26781994 - 06/25/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Who ? Mr Wallace for pretending he never noticed the noose hanging in his garage ?
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2]
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The NASCAR president.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil] 1
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Thats pretty interesting about the noose cause its kinda stealthy isnt it? Like what a better shape to have for a rope-pull than a noose but to put it inside Bubba's garage all hidden like that. Its that covert racism, subjective, open to interpretation.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26783734 - 06/26/20 05:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's the best kind of racism. Keeps people on their toes
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
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cause its kinda stealthy isnt it?
No , not really it was hanging right there in the front of the shop , obvious as fuck . I find it hard to believe no one noticed . I think it’s more likely that racism is such a big part of the culture no one cared . Bubba probably saw it and just decided to mind his own business .
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2] 1
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Imagine how awkward it would be to be the only Black driver among a motor-sport with so much racism attached to it. Must fuckin suck.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 3
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It was stoic with the other drivers walking beside his car. What a bummer that the story behind it is so convoluted. All those good gestures don't mean as much now.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: qman]
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The only that isn't normal is trying to find racism where it doesn't even exist.
I've heard reports there was a white hood
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MightyWhite]
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Not ta mention all the trannies and (fuel pump) eccentrics there.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Apparently Mississippi banned their use of the Confederate flag too: https://www.ibtimes.com/richmond-removing-confederate-statues-mississippi-retires-state-flag-3004067
Unreal Even states are following suit.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said: Apparently Mississippi banned their use of the Confederate flag too: https://www.ibtimes.com/richmond-removing-confederate-statues-mississippi-retires-state-flag-3004067
Unreal Even states are following suit.
Yup why not?
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
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LogicaL Chaos said: Apparently Mississippi banned their use of the Confederate flag too: https://www.ibtimes.com/richmond-removing-confederate-statues-mississippi-retires-state-flag-3004067
Unreal Even states are following suit.
Sure, states like Mississippi will do away with some statues and flags. Ask them to reform their unjust laws/criminal justice system and see what happens.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: qman] 1
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True. But considering Mississippi's and Virginia's deeply-rooted racist past, in my opinion, its a huge gesture to ban the Confederate Flag and for Virginia to take that those statues.
Will these symbolic gestures lead to real social change considering systematic racism in the South? Well, only time will answer that question...
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
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They've banned the flag in forza 7 (racing car game).
People are losing their shit over it.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: pineninja]
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Oh really? Wow.
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There is a lot of General Lee fans.
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Ha, nice. Havent raced in awhile. Met a lady-friend on Overwatch (video game) and we are basically have e-dates every weekend. Its pretty great.
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Which racing game were you guys playing? I know Forza 7 was mentioned but I've fallen so behind in console based games I don't have any clue what is current. I haven't owned a console since XBOX, the first one. Is Forza cross platform with PC these days? I'd race with some shroomers, I love racing games!
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: christopera] 1
#26798864 - 07/02/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I really like go karts . I want a shifter kart but don’t have time due to having a 2 year old . Maybe in a few years though . I was going to take my 911 on a canyon run with my neighbor and his Lotus this weekend but he crashed it at laguna seca 2 weekends ago . He spent 30k on it and only had it 3 months , he seems to think it was worth it though .
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2] 2
#26798930 - 07/02/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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"NASCAR driver Corey LaJoie will be racing in a "Trump 2020" car in the Brickyard 400 this weekend, as well as eight more races this season, as part of a partnership between Go Fas Racing, the team he races for, and the Patriots of America PAC..." https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/505620-nascar-driver-corey-lajoie-driving-in-trump-2020-car-as-part-of

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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2] 4
#26799568 - 07/02/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im a gearhead, too. My dad had a 2000ish Lotus, talk about a hypersonic go cart. 0 to 60 in 4. Im the opposite, I have big box cars from the 70s and 80s (including a Colony Park station wagon all Griswold). My favorite engine is my 460.
Edit. Proof I am Clarkish
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: SirTripAlot] 1
#26799818 - 07/02/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That could almost pass as a Wagon Queen Family Truckster
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: vinsue] 1
#26799827 - 07/02/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That thing would look great turned right into the safety fence
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2]
#26800210 - 07/02/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psilynut2 said: I really like go karts . I want a shifter kart but don’t have time due to having a 2 year old . Maybe in a few years though . I was going to take my 911 on a canyon run with my neighbor and his Lotus this weekend but he crashed it at laguna seca 2 weekends ago . He spent 30k on it and only had it 3 months , he seems to think it was worth it though .
Racing karts are great. Shifters are quite fast, and are very hard to drive to their potential. I raced karts for 18 years, it was a blast. I hope top get my son into it soon.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: christopera] 1
#26800246 - 07/02/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's forza 7 on Xbox and yes it's pc compatable.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
#26801903 - 07/03/20 05:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Apparently Mississippi banned their use of the Confederate flag too: https://www.ibtimes.com/richmond-removing-confederate-statues-mississippi-retires-state-flag-3004067
Unreal Even states are following suit.
This is GLORIOUS.
This is a true MILESTONE in the racial socialization of America.
White folks have been OUT OF THEIR FUCKING TITS for all of American history and are now starting to come to their senses that look - that was all wrong and the state flag shouldnt pay hommage to the confederavy anymore than the German flag should have a swastika in it.
FINALLY GOOD SHIT IS HAPPENING AGAIN towards the racially unified America MLK dreamt of.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Asante]
#26801921 - 07/03/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fuck ya man! We're making progress in The States! FINALLY! Times are fjnally changing for the Better! End the Racism!
Time for America to FINALLY move on from its racist pasts and retiring the Conferedate flag is the first step in that progress. I couldnt be happier about it 
I feel like MLKs dream is finally coming True. Slowly, but surely 
Christophera, u should race on Forza 7. Its a ton of fun Also, go carts (real life) is a lot of fun too, electric and gas 
Vinsue, cant believe theres a Trump NASCAR. Do they have no shame?
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26801947 - 07/03/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just imagine if we had a president that had the enthusiasm of the last couple posts.....its not TDS; it has been Trump's conduct unbecoming within the executive,itself, is the source of the decisiveness.
Trump has a total lack of decorum. That shit matters, to me, as much as policy...guess it is my military past.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26801951 - 07/03/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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No doubt. Its obvious that Trump is not happy about these changes. Hes luke-warm at best.
I am aware that the Military looks to the President with a ton of revere. I can only imagine what vets are thinking right now, especially Black vets.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: SirTripAlot] 3
#26801963 - 07/03/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is a great move. I am a history teacher and I feel pretty strongly about this. We have imported Africans and treated them like shit in America for a long time. What is happening now isn't just cause of these current deaths. Imagine a pressure cooker left on high with someone out of the house. If that PC never gets checked it will explode.
Tell me this: What country has monuments of enemies from past wars? If people want to document the civil war and have pictures, statues, or things of their leaders in a museum in proper historical context I am all for it but the current way we display them is not appropriate. Do you see statues of Vietnamese generals at our capitals? Is there a hitler statue in any USA parks or town squares? I think not.
Saying it is their "heritage" is just silly. The confederacy lasted all but a few years. The "culture" they are trying to preserve is thinly veiled by "patriotism" but generally is just white nationalism (nationalist socialists is what some of the nazis are calling themselves in the USA these days I believe).
Black people helped build this country and don't get much credit for it. Our history is half bullshit, but luckily the stuff I get to teach now is SOOO much more in line with the truth than what was taught when I was a kid. They taught us the civil war had to do with State's rights and little to do with slavery itself. yea right.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MrTinAZ] 1
#26801965 - 07/03/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Awesome post man. Well said! 
Lets leave the US's dark past in the past and move on to legit Equal Rights for the Black Community who as you said help build the US
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle] 2
#26801986 - 07/03/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Nothing magic about it. The confederacy existed solely to protect the institution of slavery.
And that's the flag's fault? You really think all the people that fly it are doing it out of some kind of secret love of slavery and not the reasons they will tell you?
Flags represent things. The reasons they will tell you is that it is "about their heritage". What heritage do they need to represent other than the USA flag or the Quote:
Kizzle said: I don't see how it's racist. I mean lots of countries have had slavery and yet it didn't magically make their flags racist for all time.
The USA was literally the last country to ban slavery and had external pressures from other countries to do so as well as internal pressures.
Your argument makes absolutely zero sense. We STILL fly the American flag...the flag that the USA had during the Civil war. The confederate flag NEVER was the United States flag and the United States never recognized the South as a country. So you are comparing other nations flags to the flag of a group of rebels. The South existed for merely a few years under the confederacy. The South fought for their right to preserve slavery. So please tell me what "culture and heritage" does the flag represent since those are the "reasons" supporters give for having it? Back when we didn't let black people talk we sold the lie that the war was only about State's rights but modern history has completely debunked that notion.
Flags represent things, you can't talk about the flag like it is a kid "aww he is so cute, it's not his fault what his parents did" NOOOO it doesn't work like that. Flags have meaning and symbolism and we ALL know what this flag symbolized. A group of rebels that went to war with our nation for the purpose of protecting their investment in human capital.
If you want some books to read on the subject I would be happy to recommend some. I don't mind people debating me or having opinions I disagree with, but your rationale makes zero sense and is the kind of attitude that perpetuates hate. I am not saying you are a bad or hateful person, but the fact that you have these types of views and don't realize the hurt these views cause to your countrymen who have bled and sweat for you is just sad.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: SirTripAlot] 2
#26801988 - 07/03/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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2020 - The State of Mississippi chose to join the United States of America.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Asante] 1
#26802452 - 07/03/20 11:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thr United States just got a little more United.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MrTinAZ] 1
#26802651 - 07/04/20 01:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Nothing magic about it. The confederacy existed solely to protect the institution of slavery.
And that's the flag's fault? You really think all the people that fly it are doing it out of some kind of secret love of slavery and not the reasons they will tell you?
Flags represent things. The reasons they will tell you is that it is "about their heritage". What heritage do they need to represent other than the USA flag or the Quote:
Kizzle said: I don't see how it's racist. I mean lots of countries have had slavery and yet it didn't magically make their flags racist for all time.
The USA was literally the last country to ban slavery and had external pressures from other countries to do so as well as internal pressures.
Your argument makes absolutely zero sense. We STILL fly the American flag...the flag that the USA had during the Civil war. The confederate flag NEVER was the United States flag and the United States never recognized the South as a country. So you are comparing other nations flags to the flag of a group of rebels. The South existed for merely a few years under the confederacy. The South fought for their right to preserve slavery. So please tell me what "culture and heritage" does the flag represent since those are the "reasons" supporters give for having it? Back when we didn't let black people talk we sold the lie that the war was only about State's rights but modern history has completely debunked that notion.
Flags represent things, you can't talk about the flag like it is a kid "aww he is so cute, it's not his fault what his parents did" NOOOO it doesn't work like that. Flags have meaning and symbolism and we ALL know what this flag symbolized. A group of rebels that went to war with our nation for the purpose of protecting their investment in human capital.
If you want some books to read on the subject I would be happy to recommend some. I don't mind people debating me or having opinions I disagree with, but your rationale makes zero sense and is the kind of attitude that perpetuates hate. I am not saying you are a bad or hateful person, but the fact that you have these types of views and don't realize the hurt these views cause to your countrymen who have bled and sweat for you is just sad.
Yes. The countries that are the most authoritarian or totalitarian are the most obsessed with symbols.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Brian Jones]
#26802745 - 07/04/20 03:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very good point. Symbols are everything to totaliatrian countries. The Nazi Swastika is the best example of that.
News article. On Wednesday, Mississippi retired the Confederate Flag. Flag was apparently 126 years old. So surreal: https://time.com/5862506/mississippi-retires-state-flag-confederate/
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26802812 - 07/04/20 05:03 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can't remember which statue I read about being torn down, but I think it was a statue of somebody I consider OK, and I think it might have been in NY. I don't condone this behavior, but the offender's method was quick, effective and nobody got hurt. He wrapped a chain around it and pulled it down with his pickup truck.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Brian Jones]
#26803965 - 07/04/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes. The countries that are the most authoritarian or totalitarian are the most obsessed with symbols.
I agree with your point about symbols. Anyone focusing on the flag minimizes the issue a bit as the flag is merely a symbol of the issue/s itself, which are much greater than the flag. If we have a group of people rallying around a symbol that represents hate and exclusion then I think we have a problem if our goal is an inclusive government that isn't totalitarian or fascist. You may be totally right about symbols being more important in places with totalitarian rule...so if that is the case we must ask "do we deal with it or ignore the problem?"
The attitude "it isn't the flag's fault" side-steps the real issue which has nothing to do with flags. It wasn't like Nazis were good people but no one liked them because they disagreed on interior decorating choices, people hate the Nazi flag for the ideals it represents not the flag itself. If we want to get away from a totalitarian government then it is necessary to remove its structural supports and create an environment where our government representatives represent citizens instead of corporate and governmental interests. There too many people out there who feel like they have no voice, no representation. That is what this issue is about, not the flag.
I am glad to see that you and most others here seem to understand that and I hope some who don't may learn to sooner or later.
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MrTinAZ] 3
#26804520 - 07/05/20 01:34 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alright, I can see why people would want the flag gone. All I'm saying is I don't think everyone who has this affinity for it sees it as some kind of secret wink to white supremacy. People generally aren't going to express themselves for all to see by flying a flag and then lie about why they're doing it.
Now Mississippi is replacing the confederate symbol on their flag with "In God We Trust" which seems like a ridiculous tradeoff to me because it's essentially the argument they used to justify slavery in the first place.
"That if one, or more decisions of the written word of God, sanction the rectitude of any human acquisitions, for instance, the acquisition of a servant by inheritance or purchase, whoever believes that the written word of God is verity itself, must consequently believe in the absolute rectitude of slave-holding"
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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MightyWhite] 1
#26810917 - 07/08/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The only that isn't normal is trying to find racism where it doesn't even exist.
I've heard reports there was a white hood
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