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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26802745 - 07/04/20 03:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Very good point. Symbols are everything to totaliatrian countries. The Nazi Swastika is the best example of that.

News article. On Wednesday, Mississippi retired the Confederate Flag. Flag was apparently 126 years old. So surreal: https://time.com/5862506/mississippi-retires-state-flag-confederate/


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26802812 - 07/04/20 05:03 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I can't remember which statue I read about being torn down, but I think it was a statue of somebody I consider OK, and I think it might have been in NY. I don't condone this behavior, but the offender's method was quick, effective and nobody got hurt. He wrapped a chain around it and pulled it down with his pickup truck.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26803965 - 07/04/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes.
The countries that are the most authoritarian or totalitarian are the most obsessed with symbols.




I agree with your point about symbols. Anyone focusing on the flag minimizes the issue a bit as the flag is merely a symbol of the issue/s itself, which are much greater than the flag. If we have a group of people rallying around a symbol that represents hate and exclusion then I think we have a problem if our goal is an inclusive government that isn't totalitarian or fascist. You may be totally right about symbols being more important in places with totalitarian rule...so if that is the case we must ask "do we deal with it or ignore the problem?"

The attitude "it isn't the flag's fault" side-steps the real issue which has nothing to do with flags. It wasn't like Nazis were good people but no one liked them because they disagreed on interior decorating choices, people hate the Nazi flag for the ideals it represents not the flag itself. If we want to get away from a totalitarian government then it is necessary to remove its structural supports and create an environment where our government representatives represent citizens instead of corporate and governmental interests. There too many people out there who feel like they have no voice, no representation. That is what this issue is about, not the flag.

I am glad to see that you and most others here seem to understand that and I hope some who don't may learn to sooner or later.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MrTinAZ] * 3
    #26804520 - 07/05/20 01:34 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Alright, I can see why people would want the flag gone. All I'm saying is I don't think everyone who has this affinity for it sees it as some kind of secret wink to white supremacy. People generally aren't going to express themselves for all to see by flying a flag and then lie about why they're doing it.

Now Mississippi is replacing the confederate symbol on their flag with "In God We Trust" which seems like a ridiculous tradeoff to me because it's essentially the argument they used to justify slavery in the first place.

"That if one, or more decisions of the written word of God, sanction the
rectitude of any human acquisitions, for instance, the acquisition of a servant by
inheritance or purchase, whoever believes that the written word of God is verity
itself, must consequently believe in the absolute rectitude of slave-holding"


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MightyWhite] * 1
    #26810917 - 07/08/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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MightyWhite said:
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qman said:


The only that isn't normal is trying to find racism where it doesn't even exist.




I've heard reports there was a white hood

and a burnt cross

found in one of the other driver's garage




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