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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #26774059 - 06/22/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

States are sovereigns.  In America, we kept the name, even though they're not sovereign anymore.  Things have changed, and the 14th amendment made a huge change in the way federalism works in the U.S.  The 14th was after the civil war and in response to it, however.  At the time of the civil war, states were far more independent than they are now.  That's the reason that several of them got the idea that they can just leave the union.  Turns out they were wrong.

In fact, prior to the Constitution, we had the Articles of Confederation which formed a confederation of sovereign states.  It was far weaker than the Constitution.  That's kinda what the confederacy was trying to go back to for the south.  Who knows what would have happened if they had won, but they very likely would have remained individual sovereign states united by a confederation.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil]
    #26774162 - 06/22/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Was watching an interview today and the gal claims NASCAR banning the confederate flag is the most important event for African Americans since the Civil War.

I find that amusing... Much like the sentiment that removing statues is some kind of progress. Really!?


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #26774176 - 06/22/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's progress in that we (the decent humans of the world) aren't really into owning human beings for our solitary benefit.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Kizzle] * 1
    #26774195 - 06/22/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't see how it's racist. I mean lots of countries have had slavery and yet it didn't magically make their flags racist for all time.:shrug:




The confederacy was formed to preserve the “institution of African slavery.” The constitution of the confederate states of America codified white supremacy into law. The whole damn thing was about making sure slavery would not be abolished. Other countries had slavery. No country in the world has ever been founded with the primary motivation of preserving slavery as a right, except the CSA.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Enlil]
    #26774211 - 06/22/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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States are sovereigns.  In America, we kept the name, even though they're not sovereign anymore.  Things have changed, and the 14th amendment made a huge change in the way federalism works in the U.S.  The 14th was after the civil war and in response to it, however.  At the time of the civil war, states were far more independent than they are now.  That's the reason that several of them got the idea that they can just leave the union.  Turns out they were wrong.

In fact, prior to the Constitution, we had the Articles of Confederation which formed a confederation of sovereign states.  It was far weaker than the Constitution.  That's kinda what the confederacy was trying to go back to for the south.  Who knows what would have happened if they had won, but they very likely would have remained individual sovereign states united by a confederation.




Except for a few tweaks, and the part about black people being permanently subservient to the rest of the population, the CSA constitution is just a copy paste of the US constitution.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: koods] * 2
    #26774565 - 06/22/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)



Go NASCAR !

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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
    #26777611 - 06/23/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

On the cutting edge:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/06/22/mississippi-governor-shoots-down-separate-but-equal-option-for-new-state-flag/amp/

Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves has rejected a call among some state legislators that would like to see Mississippi adopt a second official state flag alongside the current one, which is the only state flag in the U.S. that still contains the Confederate battle flag, saying that the “Separate but Equal” flag option would lead to more division among the people of Mississippi.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: vinsue] * 4
    #26778138 - 06/23/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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"NASCAR announced it was investigating after a noose was found hanging in driver Bubba Wallace's garage stall Sunday at Talladega, nearly two weeks after prohibiting any images or displays of the Confederate flag at events...."
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/noose-found-hanging-bubba-wallaces-garage-stall-talladega-nascar-says
:noose: . . . :peace:




Looks like the "noose" was just a garage door pull rope that has been in that same garage since the fall of 2019 (per the FBI). Whoops.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26778373 - 06/24/20 04:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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vinsue said:
"NASCAR announced it was investigating after a noose was found hanging in driver Bubba Wallace's garage stall Sunday at Talladega, nearly two weeks after prohibiting any images or displays of the Confederate flag at events...."
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/noose-found-hanging-bubba-wallaces-garage-stall-talladega-nascar-says
:noose: . . . :peace:




Looks like the "noose" was just a garage door pull rope that has been in that same garage since the fall of 2019 (per the FBI). Whoops.



I was always wondering why we never saw a picture of the said "noose" :lol:

Ah, here it is:




Edited by MagicMush123 (06/24/20 04:36 AM)


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26778386 - 06/24/20 04:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Doh!... stooged again. 

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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Stable Genius] * 4
    #26778543 - 06/24/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

NASCAR Smolletted us , those bastards.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #26778668 - 06/24/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

See, NASCAR fans aren't as crazy as we think, at least not in this instance.

The odd thing about this all is that the president of NASCAR informed Bubba of the "noose." Bubba didn't see it, or report, but he's sure as hell going to receive the brunt of the fans ire. Let's hope they can keep their shit together.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: christopera]
    #26779739 - 06/24/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Bubba Wallace has doubled down on his claim even still :confused:


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: evlyshrooms] * 1
    #26779758 - 06/24/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Fake news. Fake noose


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: evlyshrooms] * 1
    #26780029 - 06/24/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It’s possible that the level of racism that existed in the atmosphere at  NASCAR was so pervasive and just accepted as normal that it took a year and a major shift in societies attitude  for people to notice the dam thing hanging there and  feel bad about it .


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26780389 - 06/24/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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It’s possible that the level of racism that existed in the atmosphere at  NASCAR was so pervasive and just accepted as normal that it took a year and a major shift in societies attitude  for people to notice the dam thing hanging there and  feel bad about it .




It was normal.  :shrug:https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/23/sports/fbi-probe-says-noose-bubba-wallaces-stall-was-garage-door-pull-rope-not-hate-crime/

The only that isn't normal is trying to find racism where it doesn't even exist.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: qman]
    #26780582 - 06/24/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Waste of time


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: qman]
    #26780588 - 06/24/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What was normal? It’s not clear what you are saying.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: christopera]
    #26780593 - 06/24/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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What was normal? It’s not clear what you are saying.



Bubba found a knot that isnused in common garages.  Wasnt a ets hang him" noose.  Essentially more fake news.


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Re: NASCAR Bans the Confederate Flag [Re: Niffla]
    #26780634 - 06/24/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Interracials for Trump 🇺🇸 on Twitter: ".@BillyRayTodd this message is for @BubbaWallace & @NASCAR_Xfinity do you know innocent American’s are targeted by your racist hoaxes? https://t.co/rDGvAk1swj" / Twitter
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