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Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone * 2
    #26736862 - 06/11/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What’s everyone thoughts, personally I think it’s an awesome experiment. Can there be law and order without a police presence, we shall see.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/seattle-autonomous-zone.html



SEATTLE — On the streets next to a police precinct in Seattle’s Capitol Hill neighborhood, protesters and officers spent a week locked in a nightly cycle of standoffs, at times ending with clouds of tear gas.

But facing a growing backlash over its dispersal tactics in the aftermath of George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis, the Seattle Police Department this week offered a concession: Officers would abandon their precinct, board up the windows and let the protesters have free rein outside.

In a neighborhood that is the heart of the city’s art and culture — threatened these days as rising tech wealth brings in gentrification — protesters seized the moment. They reversed the barricades to shield the liberated streets and laid claim to several city blocks, now known as the “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.”


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Antigov] * 1
    #26736930 - 06/11/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

We can't know how it would work if we don't try. :shrug:
I'm down for all experimentation.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Antigov]
    #26736955 - 06/11/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There's a warlord with armed guards frisking people and exhortation of local businesses, yea how awesome.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Antigov] * 3
    #26736958 - 06/11/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This is wildly misguided and will only hurt themselves and their cause in the long run. The rule of law is one of the most beautiful and important things we have in the US. It is one of the things that separates us from tyrannical and corrupt third world countries.

The rule of law is what protects people from racist abuse, violence, and discrimination. The rule of law is how you enforce things like desegregation and laws against lynching and laws against discrimination in employment, housing, and education. Nothing could possibly be more damaging and more dangerous than opposing the rule of law, especially for the goals that these protesters support. This is wildly misguided and wrong and is only going to hurt them and their cause.

This doesn't improve the police, it doesn't stop discrimination or police violence or misconduct, worse than that it actually makes all of these things more difficult to accomplish without actually addressing them at all.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Tmethyl] * 1
    #26737011 - 06/11/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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We can't know how it would work if we don't try. :shrug:
I'm down for all experimentation.




    Like this has never happened anywhere on earth before ...
  You can have police or you can be taxed by a whichever criminal  gang kills off the other ones . There isn’t much else .


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Antigov]
    #26738181 - 06/11/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

These full fledged retards have another day before most are arrested.

Try this nonsense during trumps second term ans theyd see a firing squad.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: meltdowner] * 4
    #26738324 - 06/12/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So, you're in favor of the federal government usurping the authority of the states and executing people?


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: meltdowner] * 2
    #26738498 - 06/12/20 01:57 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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meltdowner said:
These full fledged retards have another day before most are arrested.

Try this nonsense during trumps second term ans theyd see a firing squad.





"full fledged retard"


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Antigov] * 1
    #26738507 - 06/12/20 02:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Antigov said:
What’s everyone thoughts, personally I think it’s an awesome experiment. Can there be law and order without a police presence, we shall see.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/seattle-autonomous-zone.html



SEATTLE — On the streets next to a police precinct in Seattle’s Capitol Hill neighborhood, protesters and officers spent a week locked in a nightly cycle of standoffs, at times ending with clouds of tear gas.

But facing a growing backlash over its dispersal tactics in the aftermath of George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis, the Seattle Police Department this week offered a concession: Officers would abandon their precinct, board up the windows and let the protesters have free rein outside.

In a neighborhood that is the heart of the city’s art and culture — threatened these days as rising tech wealth brings in gentrification — protesters seized the moment. They reversed the barricades to shield the liberated streets and laid claim to several city blocks, now known as the “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.”




Can there be law and order without a police presence?
IDK
But we didn't have law and order before either.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26738564 - 06/12/20 02:52 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Brian Jones said:
Quote:

Antigov said:
What’s everyone thoughts, personally I think it’s an awesome experiment. Can there be law and order without a police presence, we shall see.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/seattle-autonomous-zone.html



SEATTLE — On the streets next to a police precinct in Seattle’s Capitol Hill neighborhood, protesters and officers spent a week locked in a nightly cycle of standoffs, at times ending with clouds of tear gas.

But facing a growing backlash over its dispersal tactics in the aftermath of George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis, the Seattle Police Department this week offered a concession: Officers would abandon their precinct, board up the windows and let the protesters have free rein outside.

In a neighborhood that is the heart of the city’s art and culture — threatened these days as rising tech wealth brings in gentrification — protesters seized the moment. They reversed the barricades to shield the liberated streets and laid claim to several city blocks, now known as the “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.”




Can there be law and order without a police presence?
IDK
But we didn't have law and order before either.



Without law and order the strong would dominate the weak


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
    #26738674 - 06/12/20 05:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

With law and order the rich control everything.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26738677 - 06/12/20 05:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thats not really true weve seen it so many times in our history the bullshit only flies so far and eventually people change laws and do the right thing.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #26738740 - 06/12/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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This is wildly misguided and will only hurt themselves and their cause in the long run. The rule of law is one of the most beautiful and important things we have in the US. It is one of the things that separates us from tyrannical and corrupt third world countries



Why is it that people who have been talking about tyranny for years can’t recognize it when it’s staring us in the face?

Hint: THIS IS WHAT TYRANNY LOOKS LIKE:



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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: meltdowner] * 1
    #26738742 - 06/12/20 05:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This is what tyranny looks like:

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meltdowner said:
These full fledged retards have another day before most are arrested.

Try this nonsense during trumps second term ans theyd see a firing squad.




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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: koods]
    #26738856 - 06/12/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think it’s a eat idea - so long as we remember Seattle is far from representative of the rest of the country.

Regardless, I’m curious to how such a thing turns out after a few years.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: koods] * 1
    #26739159 - 06/12/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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koods said:
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This is wildly misguided and will only hurt themselves and their cause in the long run. The rule of law is one of the most beautiful and important things we have in the US. It is one of the things that separates us from tyrannical and corrupt third world countries



Why is it that people who have been talking about tyranny for years can’t recognize it when it’s staring us in the face?

Hint: THIS IS WHAT TYRANNY LOOKS LIKE:






Bicycle cops with batons?

Tyranny is more soldiers shooting citizens with machine guns while riding armored vehicules.

Don't disrespect those who truly live in tyranny with a picture of cyclists with sticks


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Patlal] * 4
    #26739239 - 06/12/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Funny how it’s tyranny when it happens in Hong Kong

Here’s the definition since English isn’t your first language:

Tyranny
cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.

Nothing about machine guns. You should watch the police brutality super cuts and tell me what you see doesn’t fit that definition to a t


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: koods] * 3
    #26739258 - 06/12/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Nothing could possibly be more damaging and more dangerous than opposing the rule of law




Until the cops are subject to the rule of law, fuck it


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: koods]
    #26740290 - 06/12/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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koods said:
Funny how it’s tyranny when it happens in Hong Kong

Here’s the definition since English isn’t your first language:

Tyranny
cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.

Nothing about machine guns. You should watch the police brutality super cuts and tell me what you see doesn’t fit that definition to a t





Plato and Aristotle defined a tyrant as a person who rules without law, using extreme and cruel methods against both his own people and others
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koods said:
Funny how it’s tyranny when it happens in Hong Kong

Here’s the definition since English isn’t your first language:

Tyranny
cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.

Nothing about machine guns. You should watch the police brutality super cuts and tell me what you see doesn’t fit that definition to a t




Tyranny
cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control

As practiced for centuries, all tyrants have:

- Used the army to create check points all throughout the country.
- Disperse group gatherings through force if necessary.
- Knocked on doors to search homes.
- Imprisoned dissidents.
- Violently suppressed revolts.
- Demanded total compliance of the populace.

Try and tell me that this is what's happening in the US right now.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #26740300 - 06/12/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ok do u want me to go line by line?


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