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Drug resistance/immunity Marihuana Salvia Divinorum
#26740273 - 06/12/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hello everyone
A little background information about me. I'm 50 years old. A few years ago, when I was probably 38 I tried to use Salvia Divinorum, unsuccessfully, but since I was some kind of a newbie, I thought I was doing something wrong and that's why I couldn't get high on it, I tried brewing it, smoking it, chewing it, taking a tincture, you name it, I did it, and did nothing for me. I had some success with San Pedro cactus (Mescaline), I had a very mild trip that lasted about 24 hours, nothing remarkable. When I was 45 I tried marihuana after one friend convinced me to try it. Before this, I always thought it was a boring drug, based on descriptions from people who used it. So I tried to smoke it, a mix of tobacco and Marihuana, my friend got high and I didn't, she made sure I was puffing and holding smoke the "right" way and all and still didn't work. Next time she made a 100% Marihuana joint just for me, and nothing still. Since I am not a smoker, I didn't enjoy much the attempts anyway. The last time I tried, her boyfriend gave me cannabis oil, which was supposed to be much faster and intense, all to no avail. A few years later I tried LSD and worked normally for me, a usual and pleasant psychedelic experience. Only this year (2020) I decided to try again Salvia Divinorum and after following advice about its use. I'm convinced I can't get high on it, sadly. I'm very curious to know why this is the case.
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Re: Drug resistance/immunity Marihuana Salvia Divinorum [Re: Amoxitl]
#26741124 - 06/13/20 06:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I met a wonderful person who had this characteristic. he was also able to drink 2 bottles of wine himself every night.
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Re: Drug resistance/immunity Marihuana Salvia Divinorum [Re: redgreenvines]
#26742313 - 06/13/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think this is rather unusual. Thanks for your reply.
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Re: Drug resistance/immunity Marihuana Salvia Divinorum [Re: Amoxitl]
#26742353 - 06/13/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are you using plain leaf or an extract? What method are you using to smoke it?
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Re: Drug resistance/immunity Marihuana Salvia Divinorum [Re: Amanita86]
#26742463 - 06/13/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I use 99.4% pure salvinorin-A dropped in acetone on tiny strips of paper. (my usual dose is 350 mics - I like level -V- and 350 sometimes takes me to level -I. I am not interested in level -A of the SALVIA scale.)
The gentleman I refer to did not respond to smoked paper with between 3200 and 3700 mics of salvinorin-A on it during a single 5 minute period with no effect whatsoever (consuming ten times my preference). Honestly he held his breath and let out smoke. I was amazed but satisfied that it is an obstacle not to be confronted.
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Re: Drug resistance/immunity Marihuana Salvia Divinorum [Re: Amanita86]
#26744780 - 06/14/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Natural leave. I don't trust the companies producing extracts since the chemicals used are usually carcinogenic even when used in a professional-grade lab. To smoke it, I tried using an herbal vaporizer with the max temperature setting of 220 Celsius/ 428 F. I tried using a "normal" cigarette-style smoking. I smoked as many as 3 joints/cigarettes in a row.
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Re: Drug resistance/immunity Marihuana Salvia Divinorum [Re: redgreenvines]
#26744791 - 06/14/20 07:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: I use 99.4% pure salvinorin-A dropped in acetone on tiny strips of paper. (my usual dose is 350 mics - I like level -V- and 350 sometimes takes me to level -I. I am not interested in level -A of the SALVIA scale.)
The gentleman I refer to did not respond to smoked paper with between 3200 and 3700 mics of salvinorin-A on it during a single 5 minute period with no effect whatsoever (consuming ten times my preference). Honestly he held his breath and let out smoke. I was amazed but satisfied that it is an obstacle not to be confronted.
Coming by pure salvinorin-A would be quite difficult. I today tried smoking about 5 cigarettes in a row, holding each breath as much as 30 seconds and I managed to see some geometrical patterns if I closed my eyes, it lasted about 5 minutes, or less.
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Re: Drug resistance/immunity Marihuana Salvia Divinorum [Re: Amoxitl]
#26745580 - 06/15/20 04:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok, you got to level L on the salvia scale.
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Re: Drug resistance/immunity Marihuana Salvia Divinorum [Re: redgreenvines]
#26745800 - 06/15/20 07:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: ok, you got to level L on the salvia scale.
Somehow a glimpse of 3L without ever touching the 1S and 2A levels. I think this might be useful for something in life, at this point I can't imagine its purpose
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Re: Drug resistance/immunity Marihuana Salvia Divinorum [Re: Amoxitl]
#26752630 - 06/17/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe is relevant to mention that I have never had a headache. I don't feel the effect of caffeine or the so-called energetic drinks. I can drink either of those right before going to bed without any perceivable effect. I rarely get sick. I wake up many times during the night, 5 or so, and immediately go back to bed without a problem sleeping. I don't suffer from jet-lag. Only today I think there might be a connection between all these things.
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Re: Drug resistance/immunity Marihuana Salvia Divinorum [Re: Amoxitl]
#26753753 - 06/18/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: ok, you got to level L on the salvia scale.
Somehow a glimpse of 3L without ever touching the 1S and 2A levels. I think this might be useful for something in life, at this point I can't imagine its purpose 
Yes a glimpse of L-3, even to say that is not to say that any time I hit L-3 I get a glimpse of V-4, and when I hit my sweet spot of V-4 I briefly hit I-5 and may even touch a tiny spot of A-6.
these states are not exactly static, just as the absorption of chemicals is not exactly on a flat curve - biologically speaking - a lot is happening, but the general effects hover mostly around one of the levels depending on how big the hits are and how sensitive the person is to Salvinorin-A
In my experience, to get to level L you do pass through S and A, but may hardly notice AND, on your way back you again Hit A-2 and then S-1 as you enter the 'afterglow' which you also may not notice.
Not everyone notices the same - as you say, you have never had a headache, so, I would say that the groove your consciousness moves in is extremely consistent, and there are clear advantages to that, which tend to keep you sober.
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Re: Drug resistance/immunity Marihuana Salvia Divinorum [Re: Amoxitl]
#26754277 - 06/18/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Amoxitl said: Natural leave. I don't trust the companies producing extracts since the chemicals used are usually carcinogenic even when used in a professional-grade lab. To smoke it, I tried using an herbal vaporizer with the max temperature setting of 220 Celsius/ 428 F. I tried using a "normal" cigarette-style smoking. I smoked as many as 3 joints/cigarettes in a row.
It sounds like you have a decent supply of plain leaf, so you could try making your own extract. RGV and others have some simple teks for doing so.
You could potentially make an extract from your plain leaf and cold acetone only. Basically, you just put some acetone in your freezer for a few hours, crunch up say 10g of plain leaf, pour the acetone onto the leaf and mix for about one minute, then pour off the acetone onto one gram of crushed plain leaf in another container.
Let the acetone evaporate, and the salvinorin extracted from the 10g will be on the 1 gram of leaf. While this likely will not be a full 10x, it will certainly be stronger than plain leaf, allowing you try smoking much less at a time. (Just be sure not to leave the acetone on the 10g too long or it will start to pull additional plant materials that might make the enhanced leaf difficult to light for smoking.)
Going slow with Salvia is very prudent, but I cannot imagine smoking 5 joints of anything back-to-back. Way too harsh for my throat and lungs!
If you keep working with plain leaf, you might also want to try using an eyemask or pull a beanie over your eyes as you will be much better able to observe the subtle effects of low doses without light. And you might notice bodily effects before visual/mental ones. Try stretching or even just rotating your neck slowly to see if you notice anything different. Mentally, you might find that the 'shape' of your thinking can change. While you probably normally think in a standard 3D mapped kind of shape, on salvia you may notice that this 3D map can warp and twist and rotate and flip. And you can control it to some degree if you try.
Good luck and let us know how it goes!
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Re: Drug resistance/immunity Marihuana Salvia Divinorum [Re: physics envy]
#26754464 - 06/18/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Amoxitl said: Natural leave. I don't trust the companies producing extracts since the chemicals used are usually carcinogenic even when used in a professional-grade lab. To smoke it, I tried using an herbal vaporizer with the max temperature setting of 220 Celsius/ 428 F. I tried using a "normal" cigarette-style smoking. I smoked as many as 3 joints/cigarettes in a row.
It sounds like you have a decent supply of plain leaf, so you could try making your own extract. RGV and others have some simple teks for doing so.
You could potentially make an extract from your plain leaf and cold acetone only. Basically, you just put some acetone in your freezer for a few hours, crunch up say 10g of plain leaf, pour the acetone onto the leaf and mix for about one minute, then pour off the acetone onto one gram of crushed plain leaf in another container.
Let the acetone evaporate, and the salvinorin extracted from the 10g will be on the 1 gram of leaf. While this likely will not be a full 10x, it will certainly be stronger than plain leaf, allowing you try smoking much less at a time. (Just be sure not to leave the acetone on the 10g too long or it will start to pull additional plant materials that might make the enhanced leaf difficult to light for smoking.)
Going slow with Salvia is very prudent, but I cannot imagine smoking 5 joints of anything back-to-back. Way too harsh for my throat and lungs!
If you keep working with plain leaf, you might also want to try using an eyemask or pull a beanie over your eyes as you will be much better able to observe the subtle effects of low doses without light. And you might notice bodily effects before visual/mental ones. Try stretching or even just rotating your neck slowly to see if you notice anything different. Mentally, you might find that the 'shape' of your thinking can change. While you probably normally think in a standard 3D mapped kind of shape, on salvia you may notice that this 3D map can warp and twist and rotate and flip. And you can control it to some degree if you try.
Good luck and let us know how it goes!
Hello Thanks for the suggestion. Acetone is at least something that can be metabolized and cleared from the body in case of excess, which would be less likely if done as you suggest.
I will update you on the results.
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