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Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek
#26740065 - 06/12/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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So I am using the same tubs from Bod's unmodified monotub tek, flipping the lids upside down for airflow.
The tubs are not holding humidity at all, they are actually drying out the substrate.
What is the issue here? the tek seemed pretty easy to follow just turn the lids upside down for air flow, but it seems to be too much airflow. I run a humidifer in the room, it stays at 58%-60% Humidity all day. Average temp around 70-74F.
Has anybody else experienced this issue? My other tubs with holes and micropore tape seem to be holding moisture much more efficiently.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: mycopiss]
#26742234 - 06/13/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It really could just be too much airflow and not enough humidity is staying inside the tub. You could try to keep the lid on and locked and fan for a few minutes a few times a day and have some better luck I'd hope
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: Wall.E]
#26753218 - 06/18/20 01:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dont understand how this seems to work for everybody but it is not working for me at all. the substrate is drying out well before its fully colonized.
I have other tubs with holes and micropore those are doing great, covered in moisture on all sides of tub. I dont see how this unmodified monotub works for others. its not holding in humidity at all. too much air is getting in.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: mycopiss]
#26753359 - 06/18/20 04:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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how can too much air be getting in when there are supposed to be no holes hence the "unmodified"
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: lefty24]
#26753443 - 06/18/20 06:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The holes in an unmodified tub are bigger than the holes in a modified tub. They get more air.
Also it's probably not drying out too much in the first place. And now will be overmisted is my guess
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: mycopiss]
#26753456 - 06/18/20 06:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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mycopiss said: I dont understand how this seems to work for everybody
No tek works for every person in every situation every time. Teks need to be adjusted for myriad differing circumstances. Humidity, temperature, field capacity, substrate material, spawn material, and a hundred other factors can be different for each person using a tek.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: Phrontist]
#26753469 - 06/18/20 06:38 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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When I did unmodified tubs, I cracked the lid just a little without flipping it (depending on the humidity). Just makes some adjustments. Its possible that it started out a little too dry. Pics always help.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: Phrontist]
#26753482 - 06/18/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Phrontist said:
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mycopiss said: I dont understand how this seems to work for everybody
No tek works for every person in every situation every time. Teks need to be adjusted for myriad differing circumstances. Humidity, temperature, field capacity, substrate material, spawn material, and a hundred other factors can be different for each person using a tek.
So true yesterday someone was having trouble with my tek but was putting the tubs in a tent. Often times is the things people do that no one told them to do that cause the issues
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: bodhisatta]
#26753710 - 06/18/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea Im aware the teks dont all work for everybody, just trying to fix the issue before they start pinning. 2 of them pinned and look ok so far, but I think the others may have taken longer to colonize due to lack of surface moisture.
I guess it just needs to be sprayed more often as it has more FAE than a monotub with holes and polyfil,
Room humidity is ok and consistent, Is it a bad or good idea to have fans running? i have two low CFM 6" duct fans running, room is around 8ftx12ft. With quite a few tubs.
the fans worked well with the tubs with holes + Micropore tape, but maybe its too much FAE for the unmodified tubs?
Prior to this my issue was some tubs had small fruits, which I figured was likely a FAE issue. So I wanted to try the unmodified tubs to get more FAE. The tubs with holes held moisture in so well and running the humidifier keeping the room at 65% humidity really helped to where I had to mist much less often.
Thanks for the tip Bod! I definitely have learned by overmisting by mistake.. caused several tubs with cobweb mold, green mold etc. I have a tendency to do that I need to lay off! I still sometimes Do it, then they contam earlier.
Edited by mycopiss (06/18/20 09:08 AM)
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: mycopiss]
#26754099 - 06/18/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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mycopiss said: I guess it just needs to be sprayed more often as it has more FAE
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mycopiss said: I definitely have learned by overmisting by mistake.. caused several tubs with cobweb mold, green mold etc. I have a tendency to do that I need to lay off! I still sometimes Do it, then they contam earlier.
If the problem is too much FAE, wouldn’t the remedy be reducing FAE? Seems like maybe you’re trying to solve one problem by doing something that’s been a problem for you previously.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: Phrontist]
#26754217 - 06/18/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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i really don't think it's anything you're doing wrong. i had the same issue when i tested the unmodified tub tek. it would either completely cut off FAE or dry my tubs out.
you should just use holes. it's so much easier to dial in a tub with polyfil than moving the lid around into precise positions.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: FriedEgg]
#26762236 - 06/21/20 04:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why run fans if your tubs are drying out? Just turn them off.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: bodhisatta]
#26762431 - 06/21/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also it's probably not drying out too much in the first place. And now will be overmisted is my guess
Some people think the surface needs to be wet from start to finish idk why.
You can leave the lid entirely off and it wouldn't be much issue.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: bodhisatta]
#26777041 - 06/23/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: You can leave the lid entirely off and it wouldn't be much issue.
i'm guessing you don't live in a climate with low humidity because that's not at all true where i and many other people live.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: mycopiss]
#26787473 - 06/27/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im having this issue as well. Except im not exactly sure if the sub is drying out but humidity is low and no droplets except where the sub actually is (the sub looks moist from the sides).
I read somewhere that another person was having issues too and at night he closed the lids (the proper way) and flipped them during the day. I started trying that and when I check on them in the morning, my humidity is higher along with droplets all over the tub.
Question tho, how long can a tub be closed without FAE?
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: dgdollaz]
#26787686 - 06/27/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've had the same problem. I've had little success compared to using modified tubs. I'm actually here looking for feedback on the unmodified. It's a nice tub but the tek isn't working for me. They dry out so fast. I'm considering just modifying them like usual or trying the Pasty EZ dialed tubs with the 1/4 inch holes.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: ShamanBag]
#26787774 - 06/27/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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If they’re drying out just keep the lid on.
I’ve had 4-7% humidity for the last week and rarely get above 18% and the three different size unmodded tubs I use all do fine.
I use lids with no rubber gasket seal and they do fine snapped on or just set in place loosely.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: A.k.a]
#26788014 - 06/27/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good advice.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: A.k.a]
#26788046 - 06/27/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: If they’re drying out just keep the lid on.
keeping the lid on (even upside down) provides no FAE taking the lid off dries it out
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A.k.a said: I’ve had 4-7% humidity for the last week and rarely get above 18% and the three different size unmodded tubs I use all do fine.
people have different climates, different temps, and different airflow within their growroom. all these affect results. just because it's working for you doesn't mean it will automatically work for everyone else. the problem with unmodded tubs is that there's no easy middle zone to adjust things. if it works for you, great. but it doesn't work for a lot of people. it sucks for people like the OP that think they are doing something wrong when in reality it's just a very unforgiving fruiting chamber and depends a lot on your environment for it to work.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: FriedEgg]
#26788071 - 06/27/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: If they’re drying out just keep the lid on.
keeping the lid on (even upside down) provides no FAE taking the lid off dries it out
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A.k.a said: I’ve had 4-7% humidity for the last week and rarely get above 18% and the three different size unmodded tubs I use all do fine.
people have different climates, different temps, and different airflow within their growroom. all these affect results. just because it's working for you doesn't mean it will automatically work for everyone else. the problem with unmodded tubs is that there's no easy middle zone to adjust things. if it works for you, great. but it doesn't work for a lot of people. it sucks for people like the OP that think they are doing something wrong when in reality it's just a very unforgiving fruiting chamber and depends a lot on your environment for it to work.
This is pretty much where I've arrived. Very low RH and fairly high temps. AC runs constantly and it's still high 70's to 80. I love the idea but it's not working to well for me so I'll Drill some holes in them and be done with it. You're right that they are difficult to dial in comparison to some. My environment isn't one that they work easily and I prefer things not to be so hard. I do think I'll leaeve the lids on but just fan them regularly until what's going now finishes up. Then I'll modify them. I was considering looking into a way I can lift the lids slightly since the gaps when the lid is flipped are pretty significant. I'll think on that for a bit.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: ShamanBag]
#26788087 - 06/27/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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My point is they work in any environment, there’s no such thing as too dry.
Unless the lid has a rubber seal even upside down then it has fae. That’s the whole point of unmodded.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: ShamanBag]
#26788096 - 06/27/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ShamanBag said: I was considering looking into a way I can lift the lids slightly since the gaps when the lid is flipped are pretty significant. I'll think on that for a bit.
You could always make the holes right now by melting them, which wouldn’t create any debris on your substrate.
Or, if you used a liner, you could get another tub, drill the holes you want, then transfer your sub to the new tub.
Or you could take the gasket out of the lid and put it back on right side up for less air flow than you’d get upside down, but more than closed up completely.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: Phrontist]
#26788112 - 06/27/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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:I've used a soldering iron to melt holes before. Worked great. That's not a bad idea. Might be worth a shot on one of them at least. I could compare outcomes between two that are going now.
Edit: Ok I took the gaskets out of a couple of them and put the lids back on normal. Let's see how that goes for a bit.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: A.k.a]
#26788115 - 06/27/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: there’s no such thing as too dry.
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Re: Problems with Unmodified monotub Tek [Re: bodhisatta]
#27225631 - 02/25/21 09:42 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tl;dr — How dry is too dry/what is acceptable for the surface in the unmodified tubs?
As a bona fide lurker, I could already hear this being Bod’s response to my similar question. So what would actually “too dry” look like? My surface had some lighter-colored patches so I began misting, and, like Bod suspected of this fella, I’ve had a hunch I overdid it.
My takeaway from most of my reading here has been that the biggest issues most newbies have are overthinking and tinkering, and I’ve tried to avoid those. If I could just get a sense of what acceptable surface conditions are for the unmodified tek, I would probably feel comfortable to leave well enough alone.
From this thread, though, I have a suspicion now that I have too much air flow in the grow space. It’s about 6’ x 12’ and I have a 1500w space heater to keep the temp around 72, and an air purifier running. This basement space is also not fully-enclosed, with a temporary wall on one side and curtain on another, and space above each of those that leads to the rest of the basement. I felt like that was a decent option for getting fresh air.
I currently have 4 32qts of MS fruiting, and 2 more 32s and 4 54s at various stages of colonization for my first wave of experimentation after a couple rounds of PF tek. Used Bod’s oat and bucket teks.
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