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The Last of Us 2
#26739964 - 06/12/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know there's gotta be some Last of Us fans around these parts. Been 7 years since the first one. The sequel finally drops on the 19th. Saw a few reviews today and some critics are already hailing it as a masterpiece.
Anybody here already plan on getting it?
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Niffla]
#26739975 - 06/12/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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*it's ma'am
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: chutney]
#26755369 - 06/18/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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2 NITE
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: chutney]
#26755471 - 06/18/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm picking mine up tomorrow on my lunch break

you da man chutz
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Niffla]
#26755480 - 06/18/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The ma'am of us
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Niffla]
#26756351 - 06/19/20 05:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Happy Last of Us 2 Day everyone 
Chutz where you at? Did you stay up playing it all night last night?
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Niffla]
#26757279 - 06/19/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just picked it up at Gamestop and I swear I thought this highly irate customer was going to murder the Gamestop employee right in front of us. I walked in towards the end of their exchange but lol damn, customer guy was fucking SUPER heated about something. The employee was calmly asking him to leave but that customer was exploding on him, I really thought the guy was about to just walk up to the employee and

I was like
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Niffla] 1
#26757313 - 06/19/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm really interested in hearing what you have to say about it. Were you a big fan of the original? You'll wanna play at least 2-4 hours tonight, that's where I hear people start to get triggered, lol. I honestly want to play despite the press surrounding it, but I'm not sure if I want to fork out retail dollas. I'm a cheap ass when it comes to games. I just bought a ps4 in December lol
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Niffla] 1
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Niffla said: I just picked it up at Gamestop and I swear I thought this highly irate customer was going to murder the Gamestop employee right in front of us. I walked in towards the end of their exchange but lol damn, customer guy was fucking SUPER heated about something. The employee was calmly asking him to leave but that customer was exploding on him, I really thought the guy was about to just walk up to the employee and

I was like

You should have stepped in and told them to settle it over a video game of your choice as the unbiased 3rd party
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larry.fisherman said: I'm really interested in hearing what you have to say about it. Were you a big fan of the original? You'll wanna play at least 2-4 hours tonight, that's where I hear people start to get triggered, lol. I honestly want to play despite the press surrounding it, but I'm not sure if I want to fork out retail dollas. I'm a cheap ass when it comes to games. I just bought a ps4 in December lol
I loved the first one. I played it all the way through twice and I never do that. Hell I barely even ever finish them in the first place. Like I got Red Dead Redemption 2 and like 2 yrs later I'm still working on finishing it

I'll definitely come back and drop my thoughts on it
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Niffla]
#26758568 - 06/19/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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So, do you like golf?
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larry.fisherman said: So, do you like golf?
mario golf yes

I haven't played Last of Us 2 yet, shoot I haven't even put it in to do the new game download thang yet (I had something I had to watch tonight) but tomorrow I am committing much of the day to it
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Niffla]
#26760772 - 06/20/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Finally sitting down and playing it.
The reviews live up to the hype.
Game of the year stuff right here.
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larry.fisherman said: I'm really interested in hearing what you have to say about it. Were you a big fan of the original? You'll wanna play at least 2-4 hours tonight, that's where I hear people start to get triggered, lol...
To my comprehension people are getting triggered on both sides for two different reasons? apparently the game has an ftm trans dude named Lev who used to be Lily, but people who are pro-trans are up in arms that he only exists to be abused; "abuse-porn"
but then on the other side of the coin there are a bunch of people complaining the game has a "tranny" they have to play as because there is a muscular woman -- but she is cisgender, she just has muscles
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Tantrika]
#26760872 - 06/20/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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meh ppl complain no matter what
Cyberpunk is bound to stir up some drama too. I think it already has if I remember correctly.
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Cosmic_Flame said: meh ppl complain no matter what
Cyberpunk is bound to stir up some drama too. I think it already has if I remember correctly.
Yeah, both sides there as well ironically
people complaining about a trans woman in a bikini with a big dick in an in-game advertisement as negative stereotyping of trans women
then people complaining the game was going "too SJW" because you can mix and match female and male faces, bodies and voices of course, the people who complained about that were appeased when they found out the gender controls also meant customizable genitals
at which point there is all sorts of potential area for questions with regards to a number of people focusing on making their dick as big as possible
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Tantrika]
#26761460 - 06/20/20 11:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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larry.fisherman said: I'm really interested in hearing what you have to say about it. Were you a big fan of the original? You'll wanna play at least 2-4 hours tonight, that's where I hear people start to get triggered, lol...
To my comprehension people are getting triggered on both sides for two different reasons? apparently the game has an ftm trans dude named Lev who used to be Lily, but people who are pro-trans are up in arms that he only exists to be abused; "abuse-porn"
but then on the other side of the coin there are a bunch of people complaining the game has a "tranny" they have to play as because there is a muscular woman -- but she is cisgender, she just has muscles

(Spoilers, major ass spoilers)
I know about Abby and heard rumours about her maybe being trans but I haven't seen anyone complaining about that anywhere. Literally. My understanding of the controversy is a few things and foremost the handling of Joel's arc. Not even necessarily what happens but how they allow it to. Joel saves Abby and then Abby bashes his head in with a 9 iron without even a fair fight. Joel is an intelligent badass and just walks in to a dangerous situation. Compound that with all the DMCA strikes and little things like Ms. Sarkeesian gallantly influencing them to make Ellie uglier and other sad little woke points it's just turned in to something that's getting a lot of hate from a lot of different directions. Trans stuff though? Nah.. not so much. People hate Abby because she's obnoxious and makes decisions that either dont make sense or generally piss people off. There's a lot about the story that is kind of shoehorned in and that was never what the original felt like. It felt real and organic while still maintaining a sense of dread enough to dangle on the little glimmers of hope it gave you. This one the writing is just inconsistent and not as on point as the original and the OG TLOU was all story when it came down to it. Thanks, "Goin-in-dry" Druckmann, lol.
All that being said I've heard a ton of praise. The graphics, the gameplay, the little immersive nuances, the environments ect. I really want to play it even though I know so much about it.
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larry.fisherman said: All that being said I've heard a ton of praise. The graphics, the gameplay, the little immersive nuances, the environments ect. I really want to play it even though I know so much about it.
yeah with no ps4 am unable to play it myself but really enjoyed Let's Play of the first on youtube and wanted to see where the story goes
am aware of the complaints that you mention in the spoiler tag and would argue that a number of those are fair criticisms coming from connection with the series from the first title
but have also seen all sorts of 0 scores on Metacritic with stuff like "it's just a feminist agenda" "why does every game have to have gay and trans characters these days" "why do I have to play as a tranny" "Ellie sucks because she's a lesbian" (am sure that was revealed in the first?) "the game is good but panders to the left so zero" "too much pandering" "They force you to play a new transgender character, [name]" "Lgbt lgbt lbgt lgbt lgbt lgbt feminism lgbt and **** feminism fenisinm"
then there are news stories with notes tagged on them that they had previously mistakenly called the character trans
to be fair, a number of other 0 reviews do mention the issues you brought up as part of their criticisms while also doing things like criticizing the story more generally but with 24 000 negative reviews to 10 000 positive on metacritic, a lot of the negative reviews are just garbage
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Tantrika]
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I loved the first one , ive probably played it through 4 times, so when all the bad reviews and angry spoilers started coming out i got kinda nervous, ( never watched the spoilers cuz fuck that shit ) but after a solid 8 hours, and i dont even think im that far yet this games huge, i can honestly say this games awsome.
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Marmie]
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Everything I heard says it's shit. Apart from gaming journalists who says it's great
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Its not shit at all , its different then the first one sure. But im kinda glad they didnt jst try n replicate the first one. Theres nothing about this game thats shit, the game play , mechanics, the huge world to explore ,the story its all awsome , easily one of the best games ive played in years , defanitly does the forst one justice. if you got a vr headset n some good headphones the immersion is fuckin nuts, im gona have an anxiety disorder by the end of this game lol
The people not liking it just because they watched a couple minute spoiler on youtube or dont like the story because its not exactly what they wanted need to get a fucking life . If you like gamin and actually play this game and don't like it theres something wrong with you
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Marmie]
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Marmie said: I loved the first one , ive probably played it through 4 times, so when all the bad reviews and angry spoilers started coming out i got kinda nervous, ( never watched the spoilers cuz fuck that shit ) but after a solid 8 hours, and i dont even think im that far yet this games huge, i can honestly say this games awsome.
I agree. Played it for a couple hours last night and it was a blast. Looking forward to playing again today.
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Marmie said: Its not shit at all , its different then the first one sure. But im kinda glad they didnt jst try n replicate the first one. Theres nothing about this game thats shit, the game play , mechanics, the huge world to explore ,the story its all awsome , easily one of the best games ive played in years , defanitly does the forst one justice. if you got a vr headset n some good headphones the immersion is fuckin nuts, im gona have an anxiety disorder by the end of this game lol
The people not liking it just because they watched a couple minute spoiler on youtube or dont like the story because its not exactly what they wanted need to get a fucking life . If you like gamin and actually play this game and don't like it theres something wrong with you
Yeah my bro-in-law was telling me how a lot of people were upset about the story. Now I'm too early into it to speak on the story, but in all honesty I could really give two fucks about the story. I'm here for the gameplay. And the gameplay itself was/is bad ass.
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Niffla] 3
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For me the original was all about the story. I had fun playing the game for sure but I was really gripped by the story. I think like a lot of people I've run a lot of these worst case scenarios through my mind and I have kids myself.. idk it really hit home when Ashley died. That whole thing went from wholesome, funny, to intense and then she died and someone suddenly started cutting onions. Then watching that relationship build and Ellie being a funny little smartass. It was like going through the apocalypse with my daughter lol. Is that weird? The story just had so much depth that I haven't played a lot of games like it. Even something like RDR2 which rightfully is praised for its story, it's still more of a story and TLOU presented something personal.
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larry.fisherman said: For me the original was all about the story. I had fun playing the game for sure but I was really gripped by the story. I think like a lot of people I've run a lot of these worst case scenarios through my mind and I have kids myself.. idk it really hit home when Ashley died. That whole thing went from wholesome, funny, to intense and then she died and someone suddenly started cutting onions. Then watching that relationship build and Ellie being a funny little smartass. It was like going through the apocalypse with my daughter lol. Is that weird? The story just had so much depth that I haven't played a lot of games like it. Even something like RDR2 which rightfully is praised for its story, it's still more of a story and TLOU presented something personal.
Yeah I mean don't get me wrong, the story from the first one was epic. The story was beautiful. And emotional.
I guess what I meant to say was...in a worst case scenario, like if the story happened to not be good (which so far from what I can tell that's not the case, but again I'm early into it), then to me it would still be worth the money alone for the actual gameplay itself.
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The fact that the game had 20,000 something negative reviews before it was released says it all, people just watched part of the story n decided it was shit, thats like reading one page of lord of the rings n saying the book sucks, i just hope this doesnt become a theme for every new game coming out, its just utter nonsense.
I guess homophobes are always gonna hate, If you read some of the reviews 90% are about how it sucks because theres trans n gays , that would suck so much to live your life in that state of mind
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Marmie]
#26768235 - 06/21/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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About to get back onto this shit riding the tail end of a pretty hefty lsd dose
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Lol jesus, thatd be to much for me , it starts to get pretty wild around day 2 , enjoy man
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Marmie]
#26768572 - 06/21/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Marmie said: Lol jesus, thatd be to much for me , it starts to get pretty wild around day 2 , enjoy man 
Thank you Marmie 
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About 13 hours , jst started day 3 , im guessing somewere around halfway, i heard its about 23ish hours , but i like to take my time n explore everything so itll prob take a bit longer,
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Marmie]
#26769600 - 06/21/20 11:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh wow you are waaaayyyy further than I am
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larry.fisherman said: ...it's just turned in to something that's getting a lot of hate from a lot of different directions. Trans stuff though? Nah.. not so much. People hate Abby because she's obnoxious and makes decisions that either dont make sense or generally piss people off...
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: budmanman]
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wHeRe diD mY FYKN’ POAST GO?!
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QFT - whoever did that, deleted my poast, try it again and see what happens
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The Blind Ass said: WHERE DID MY POAST GO? !
It is in the other thread, just bumped this one due to remembering that my statement earlier had been that there were people triggered by a cis woman they perceive as a "tranny" and Larry had responded that trans stuff (that is mentioned on page after page of reviews despite not being actually reflected in game) was no big deal in complaints about the game then we had a forumer create a whole new Last of Us 2 thread to post a meme complaining about a cis woman he thought was transgender prolly would have plussed the meme in the funnies thread, but on the basis that it is a kid getting caught with a sex scene not due to some fear that the world is ending because a less attractive woman was having sex on screen and his dad was about to panic about tranny porn; as that would not be a logical outcome of hilarity in a sex scene containing a cis woman
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Tantrika said: but then on the other side of the coin there are a bunch of people complaining the game has a "tranny" they have to play as because there is a muscular woman -- but she is cisgender, she just has muscles

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Oh..then I retract my previous statement . Thank you detective
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Just finished the game , what a ride, im sad its over. Such a good game, as good as the first one hands down , and such a bitter sweet way to end it. I wonder if theyll do a third one day although i dont know were theyd go with it.
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Re: The Last of Us 2 [Re: Marmie]
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It's pretty obvious where it would go based on their writing style. Something happens, they're forced to work together, one of them dies. It's all sad and shit because they ended the cycle of revenge and learned to like, possibly love eachother.
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Spoilers below (hidden)
Played it.
It was sad to see Joel die but, unlike the masses that went ape shit over it, I thought it made sense. The decisions he made in the first game, in many instances, were pretty vile. The whole thing is very complicated morally. And I loved Joel, don't get me wrong. But the fact is, people were just angry because he didn't die in a way they wanted. He could've died by simply getting bit by some clicker. Or by falling down a cliff. Or a heart attack. People wanted him to never die, or if he had to, to die in some sort of spectacular fashion. Doesn't work that way. I did, however, understand the anger that it was implied we'd play as Joel for much longer than the one instance/flashbacks.
Didn't like when we switched to Abby for half the game.
Still enjoyed most of it. Wasn't looking for any "SJW" messages as I played so I didn't notice any as many people state they were there.
Got a little tired by the end with Ellie's choices, especially when she leaves Dina to pursue Abby. I understand it, to some degree, but it was frustrating. Also, Tommy got shot in the head. How did he survive. Actually how did any of them survive most of the shit they endured?
Last of Us 1 was better. If there is a Last of Us 3, and it centers around Abby, I won't play, solely on the fact that I didn't like her character.
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What a great game it should be game of the year i think. It was super dark and violent as hell but also very fun. I didnt even think about how peiple will hate the lesbian and trans stuff untill i went online i didnt see it at all as pushing a trans point or anything people just be stupid. The story was great and had alot of crazy violent scenes wich was creepy cool shit to the point the characters even freak out and get major ptsd from what they do.
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I beat it 3 days ago. The ending gave me ptsd lol. Ellie risked everything and got nothing, and lost more. I hated Abby at first but ended up loving her. Seeing her at the end messed me up. Dam what a world to live in. So fucked up, yet so good.
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Replaying for the platinum trophy. Missed only a few coins and trading cards..
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larry.fisherman
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Registered: 11/03/12
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I think most people expected it to happen, the controversy comes from how it happens. It's out of character. It feels unnatural. There was a clear mistreatment of the expectations we had in the characters based on the quality of the previous game's character development. People love Joel and Ellie. Changing that just to make a point doesn't make the game better it just makes it preachy by saying the things we like aren't good enough. They didn't kill off Nathan Drake at the start of the second game to make the series better. No they knew people liked the chemistry between him and Elena then made one of the best action game series of all time. That's just storytelling. People like continuity. The SJW stuff comes from the lead designer working with and gushing on twitter over Anita Sarkeesian. Consequently it garnered more scrutiny in such circumstances. But come on.. bigot sandwich?
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Cosmic Eye
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Registered: 07/07/19
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I disagree because it was told well. Good people can still die in these stories. There were flashbacks but they also introduced new characters and personalities. By the end of the story your opinion changes about everyone. Its a harder route to take but it was nailed.
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Socrateshroom
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Registered: 09/05/18
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larry.fisherman said: I think most people expected it to happen, the controversy comes from how it happens. It's out of character. It feels unnatural. There was a clear mistreatment of the expectations we had in the characters based on the quality of the previous game's character development. People love Joel and Ellie. Changing that just to make a point doesn't make the game better it just makes it preachy by saying the things we like aren't good enough. They didn't kill off Nathan Drake at the start of the second game to make the series better. No they knew people liked the chemistry between him and Elena then made one of the best action game series of all time. That's just storytelling. People like continuity. The SJW stuff comes from the lead designer working with and gushing on twitter over Anita Sarkeesian. Consequently it garnered more scrutiny in such circumstances. But come on.. bigot sandwich?
Obviously, keeping Joel around would have made the game better received. I agree he and Ellie ARE TLOU and without one or the other, something feels empty. Playing Abby just made everything empty as we, in a sense, had a character that was, in a sense, outside of the Ellie and Joel universe.
But I also agree with Cosmic Eye
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Cosmic Eye said: I disagree because it was told well. Good people can still die in these stories.
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I definitely don't think it's game of the year material. And I had to power through playing Abby because I just wanted to be Ellie again.
At the same time, the game did have me on the edge of my seat in the first half. I thought it was amazing.
And I even think the game, in and of itself, was great when playing Abby. I just didn't want to play as her so it made the gameplay feel tedious (I was just rushing through hoping to get to Ellie).
I too wish the game was different. Not that I particularly wanted the story changed, but I wanted most or all of my time to be spent with Ellie and her new crew or Joel (even if just in flashbacks).
And the end left me feeling empty and apathetic. I was tired of the game at that point. Mainly because most of the characters should have died 10x over from the crap they endured.
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CookieCrumbs
Fucked off to the pub


Registered: 12/10/11
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I don't get alot of gaming these days but I like to watch playthroughs on YT so I appreciate people like naughty dog making a good story.
I loved the 1st one. The ending fucked with me.
Alright so main themes of the story that are great... They're trying to make the story as if these are real people. And they excel. 1. People don't just get over trauma. We see Elie, Joel, and Abby deal with it. Abby hits the gym and gets beefed. (As a woman I know how much work it takes and it's at obsessive levels to get that brawny as a woman.) Elie doesn't eat and doesn't sleep. You can see the toll it takes on them and their relationships. 2. People don't just go off into the sunset and get happy endings when they have to deal with things like this 3. Perspective is everything. In every side we see more that people have sympathetic motives. The cult. The WLF. The FEDRA of Seattle and Boston. And of course Abby. 4. Revenge is a cycle someone has to break. Often both parties have to let it go. This was so fucking well done. Joel kills Abby's dad. Abby kills Joel. Elie kills her friends. Abby kills one of hers and stops at more because of the boy. Her present. Her future. What she has now. Elie has the same choice but she can't let it go.
In large part because of her trauma and her fraught relationship. They were never able to repair their relationship and Elie is probably projecting some of her internal hatred onto Abby for that. She can't let it go because she can't face it. Even one of her journal notes reference this.
That being said the 2 weakest points of the story are the flashbacks and the idea that it was a revenge narrative. Cool it's with 2 tough as nails gritty girls and cool we see both sides of the story but revenge stories have just been done to death.
There's little tidbits about coping with grief early on and I can't help but feel Elie might have been able to let it go if Jesse had lived. If she had had more support and people who could help her reason out her thoughts.
Dina enables her. Kinda characteristic of young love. Tommy's meltdown on the farm made no sense to me though. That seemed out of character.
I don't mind the flashbacks but the timeline was confusing and there were just too many.
Bigot sandwich sounds in character for a snarky kid with her friends. The lesbian story was handled well. As a very rare thing. Not fetishized or implied or sidelined, just part of the story like any other relationship.
Cliche but we all get cliche wants.
"This is a family establishment." Is something I've heard before. It was a cliche moment dreamed up in someone's head but I have these personal experience things. Like lived almost that exact experience. Only they were smart enough to not call me a dyke. And lesser ones where I know we're only being called out because we're two chicks. Always the "this is a place for families" or "this is a public place". What they mean is "I'm uncomfortable." Not bigotry so much as people projecting outward instead of looking inward.
I don't consume media much because of how unrealistic the stories are and how annoyed I get that people don't act like people. Aside from living from things they shouldn't this is a story where characters act like real people.
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CookieCrumbs
Fucked off to the pub


Registered: 12/10/11
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Good story. Just a bit heavy handed and again the narrative is overdone as fuck.
The first story had more appeal because father daughter stories haven't been explored as much.
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CookieCrumbs
Fucked off to the pub


Registered: 12/10/11
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Ya know what I think we got Abby's long winded story because it was supposed to be a DLC but people bitch about DLC.
After the scene with the doctor all of that should have been DLC.
Cept maybe the last playthrough with her. I feel like that context benefitted the story.
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Cosmic Eye
The 2nd tallest


Registered: 07/07/19
Posts: 698
Last seen: 1 year, 10 months
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I can agree with Cookiecrumbs for the most part about this but I feel Im the only one that was blown away by this story. Still a top 5 game of the year contender for me. I think the game creators did a fantastic job on portraying both sides because there is always 2 sides of the story. I think alot of people are too attatched to Ellie and hoping for the Superman win thats always guaranteed. Instead was ending was neutral and open ended. They are both seeking revenge but are both good people. Emotions and opinion changed for me throughout the story strongly. It makes me wonder why all of them fight when they are all the same people fighting against the infected to survive ??? I hope if there is a third edition, maybe they work together.
Even though no one truely win, its a beautiful story to tell.
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Niffla



Registered: 06/09/08
Posts: 46,482
Loc: Texas
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Whoa I just saw that HBO is going to be doing a future Last of Us series
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