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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: koods] 3
#26739381 - 06/12/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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People really only bring up black on black crime because there's this narrative that "white" people and cops are the biggest threat to black people, but even their intraracial stats top everyone else's intraracial crime stats, just like their interracial crime stats. No demographic in the country commits more hate crimes against black people as they do against others. This goes for rape as well, not just violence. Rape is not something you can blame systemic racism and socioeconomic status on, like some do in the context of drug related violence.
And I always thought it was a problem when cops kill anyone who could've been dealt with, without doing so. Doesn't matter the race. But BLM started after a black man who robbed a convenience store, beat the man at the cash register, and then tried to take a cop's gun while beating him too, was shot.
I think it's just fine that people protest for Floyd, I have a problem with the narrative that this kind of thing is only a problem with black people, but when you have the media, sites like YouTube and Facebook where many people get their news, that censor speech that talks about statistics that don't favor groups like BLM, it's going to become more common for people to believe the only things they're able to see are the only things that reflect reality.
But to be honest, it should have been the pregnant woman who was beaten, robbed, and had a gun pressed into her stomach by Floyd a few years back that should've been the one to kill him.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Eminence] 3
#26739414 - 06/12/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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think it's just fine that people protest for Floyd, I have a problem with the narrative that this kind of thing is only a problem with black people,
This narrative doesn’t exist. This is made up by you or people that influence your thinking. You just want to insist the problem with black people being killed by cops are the black people, even as you recognize that it happens to white people too.
Who do you think should be the ones to kill the cops who beat women and shoot protesters?
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: koods]
#26739444 - 06/12/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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No demographic in the country commits more hate crimes against black people as they do against others
Let’s set you straight
2018
Anti black hate crimes 1700 Anti white hate crimes 750
There are five times as many whites in the country, so black people are 11 times more likely to be a victim of hate crime based on race.
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What statistics are you referring to?
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: koods] 4
#26739492 - 06/12/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Black on white violence averages to between 9 and 10 times the inverse. My fault I used the term "hate crime" because a white person attacking a black person is more likely to be labelled a hate crime than the other way around, even if there was no evidence it was related to race. Was it even labeled a hate crime when that "black israelite" guy was talking about how blacks are god's chosen people and how much he hated whites before beating elderly white people in a nursing home a few weeks ago in Detroit? Pretty sure he was only charged with battery. And the first stat I mentioned is just one example of something that gets deleted from YouTube or Facebook. "Black crime statistics" alone is a term that triggers the algorithm to delete comments, depending on what words precede or follow. You wouldn't know this unless you've actually tried it though, but you ever tried to edit a comment you already posted and saw the "error" message come up, then went back and saw that it's not there anymore? I've tested this by simply changing "black" to "white" and it stays up.
Also not related to this specific topic, but I found out the other day even the word "goy" gets comments deleted on YouTube
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Eminence] 1
#26739502 - 06/12/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why are black crime statistics relevant to the illegal use of force against citizens.
The relevant statistics would be the criminal and disciplinary records of police officers
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: koods] 1
#26739516 - 06/12/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Because racists believe that black people deserve a good beating now and then.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: koods] 3
#26739525 - 06/12/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's not, but that question isn't relevant to my point either. You must be assuming, or pretending, that every conversation related to cops only stays within the boundaries of cops and doesn't drift off into talks about white people in general. I don't just bring up those stats for no reason. I'd side with an innocent black guy over a shitty cop who happens to be white, and I have, but when you have movements that are based off a lie to boil it down to race, of course people are going to mention crime stats based on race.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: koods]
#26739583 - 06/12/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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think it's just fine that people protest for Floyd, I have a problem with the narrative that this kind of thing is only a problem with black people,
This narrative doesn’t exist. This is made up by you or people that influence your thinking. You just want to insist the problem with black people being killed by cops are the black people, even as you recognize that it happens to white people too.
Who do you think should be the ones to kill the cops who beat women and shoot protesters?
If the narrative doesn't exist, why does BLM even exist? Shouldn't it be called something entirely different? Why did Kaepernick only discuss the issue of non-whites and police abuse? He made his protest exclusive to the issue of non-whites.
And don't even start to pretend that 'All Lives Matter' isn't met with outrage when presented before many of these protesters and organizations.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: qman]
#26739588 - 06/12/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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About 5 years ago I said they should have named the movement "Black Lives Matter Too" so there isn't all this confusion.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 3
#26739607 - 06/12/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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There is no confusion. It isnt "black lives matter more" or "only black lives matter" or anything else. It is simply a statement that they matter. Not sure why people get so upset about it.
Black on black crime or white on white crime is an annoying diversion from the real issue which is police on citizen crime, black or otherwise.
Yes whites kill other whites and blacks kill other blacks. The police should be held to a higher standard than the "criminals" they are supposed to be policing.
Cops cannot kill with impunity. Cops are not judge, jury, and executioner. I know you right wing members dont think of black people as american citizens, but they are.
Bringing up black on black crime as a justification for cops killing with impunity shows that you are a tyranny loving boot licker. People kill people, but cops should be held to a higher standard than your average person. If you want that badge then you need to at least behave like you deserve the respect it is supposed to grant.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: natedawgnow]
#26739624 - 06/12/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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You and I aren't confused, but all the people who ask "what about white lives?" are.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26739884 - 06/12/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: There is no confusion. It isnt "black lives matter more" or "only black lives matter" or anything else. It is simply a statement that they matter. Not sure why people get so upset about it.
Black on black crime or white on white crime is an annoying diversion from the real issue which is police on citizen crime, black or otherwise.
Yes whites kill other whites and blacks kill other blacks. The police should be held to a higher standard than the "criminals" they are supposed to be policing.
Cops cannot kill with impunity. Cops are not judge, jury, and executioner. I know you right wing members dont think of black people as american citizens, but they are.
Bringing up black on black crime as a justification for cops killing with impunity shows that you are a tyranny loving boot licker. People kill people, but cops should be held to a higher standard than your average person. If you want that badge then you need to at least behave like you deserve the respect it is supposed to grant.
^^This.
This is why the thread was started-- to advocate attacking the completely unjust "laws" used most often by police to victimize people-- and by every published metric, FAR MORE black people than white per capita are victimized by these laws. It's in the OP stats and available in hundreds of other published studies.
The laws are wrong and draconian. They are used constantly against otherwise peaceful and innocent people. They are used as the reason to surveil, sequester, demonize, and discriminate against black communities. SO, Take away the police excuse to attack all communities with these laws, and ipso facto black communities would immediately benefit the most, because they are affected the most by the use of the laws to imprison and assault their liberties.
All the white vs black nonsense completely becomes editorializing and opinion.
Attack the LAWS, and suddenly you're helping the PEOPLE. Police will hopefully be held to a much higher standard, and punished if they violate others-- we all want that. But one way to immediately suspend a huge part of their predatory behavior is to eliminate the drug excuse. Win/Win.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
#26739892 - 06/12/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: About 5 years ago I said they should have named the movement "Black Lives Matter Too" so there isn't all this confusion.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/06/12/putting-the-nfls-250-million-commitment-in-context/
"spending $250 million over the next 10 years to combat systemic racism and fight injustices against blacks"
Again, the narrative is police brutality doesn't affect whites. This is why the movement continues to fail at every level, excluding whites destroys the ability to make real change. Make no mistake about it, it's deliberate.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26739933 - 06/12/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You and I aren't confused, but all the people who ask "what about white lives?" are.
No, they aren't. They're just using rhetoric to make a point that white people are the victim of some new movement against them. There is a sizeable contingent of white folk who feel entitled to the privilege they enjoy, and they see a leveling of the playing field as taking from them that which they deserve.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Enlil] 1
#26740013 - 06/12/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lol I'm about ready to start bragging about my "white privilege" just to piss people off who tell me I have it. I'm pretty much done fighting against that bullshit at this point. But your assessment doesn't really explain any of the black people and others who disagree with BLM either. I guess they must just be coconuts and uncle Toms though.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Eminence]
#26740062 - 06/12/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why would you conclude that? There are rational people for and against BLM. I was talking about a specific set of people.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Enlil] 1
#26740159 - 06/12/20 05:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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For those who haven't seen it, or haven't seen it enough:
Apparently it was a breeze gathering all that footage of shocking power abuse by cops.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: qman] 1
#26741148 - 06/13/20 06:32 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: Maybe the police go to black neighborhoods more because theres more crime happening there 
Yes, but is there 21 times more crime there? The answer we have to give to all racists, is no, there isn't. But cops are 21 times more likely to kill a black person than a white person. Tell me a non racist (or a racist I don't care) explanation for that.
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793
"Black men are about 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police"
Yeah, I don't know where I found that number. Since I read your post I searched and found different figures. Some back yours exactly and some don't, but either way yours is in the right ballpark.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Brian Jones]
#26742611 - 06/13/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Listen to this woke ass brotha
He's right except for the "white" part
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Enlil] 1
#26756994 - 06/19/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Because racists believe that black people deserve a good beating now and then.
This has nothing to do with race. If you choose to fight the cops and/or run, you’re likely to have a bad outcome regardless of race. Most sensible people realize this and don’t start fights with police over dumb shit. I’m a white male. If I were to get pulled over for whatever reason and I took a swing at the cop and ran off, I would EXPECT to get fucking shot, so I don’t do it. It’s not that hard to figure out. Parents need to talk to their kids about how to handle themselves when they are confronted by police. There will only be more police shootings because a lot of kids have no respect for teachers in school, and that’s OK with the schools. During my sons high school chemistry class, the kids pushed all of the desks together and ran, dove, and slid across the desks. It’s shit like that every day in his school. You can count on some of these kids becoming “victims” of “racist” cops in the future because they lack respect for anyone other than themselves, and the media continually reinforces their bad behavior. If you want to smoke weed, fine, do it at home. Don’t smoke weed out in public and start fights when somebody calls the police on you and blame it on racism.
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