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Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government?
#26739132 - 06/12/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Right now essential workers are demanding hazard pay, extra bonuses, and extra stimulus checks from the government. One of their reasons is because they have to wear a mask and that's unhealthy and annoying for them. They also said that they deserve extra stimulus checks because "people are getting paid to do nothing" even though alot of people are working from home right now and the rest aren't getting paid cause they can't go to work. I feel like we should be taking care of the people that got laid of and aren't able to go to work right now not the people that are getting paid more than they usually make because of overtime. I can see harzard pay for people in public hospitals that make under a certain amount but the whole bonuses and extra stimulus checks I think goes a little far and seems greedy considering we have a ton of people on unemployment.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics] 10
#26739177 - 06/12/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think people lounging on yachts in isolation making tens of millions while forcing others to risk their lives to keep a roof over their heads are pretty fucking greedy.
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Psyche delics
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#26739186 - 06/12/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ya they should be asking them for the money not the government
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics] 1
#26739587 - 06/12/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I had to leave my 'essential' part time job because the virus was spreading there and I live with vulnerable people.
I'm now making $900 a week on unemployment. The staff there on the front lines (ltc/gle) are working 50+ hours and still not making what I make to stay home.
Anyone deemed essential should have recieved the $600 a week from the beginning. Now they're likely ending up with nothing.
Putting money in their pockets in large part would have gone right back into boosting the economy, as opposed to corporate bailouts that largely benefit executives and wealthy stock market investors, or should I say campaign contributors.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: feevers] 1
#26739965 - 06/12/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hazard pay is reasonable for people working directly with covid patients, bonuses maybe. The whole thing of that they want more in their stimulus packages AND extra stimulus checks. They're not only pushing this for low waged jobs but for people making high salaries like doctors RN's nurse practitioners police and correctional officers and more. I think it's greedy for people making over 80k a year plus the overtime they're getting to ask for extra stimulus checks on top hazard pay and bonuses. If they're working for private companies the company should be providing hazard pay if necessary and bonuses.
It's also kinda fucked up to say people are getting stimulus checks to do nothing when most people are working from home or can't pay bills because they were laid off.
Also people saying wearing masks increases your risk of getting sick is stupid af.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics] 2
#26739987 - 06/12/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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My employer was giving us an extra $25 a day for the first 6 weeks, but they quit that now.
It's not like covid is gunna go away in the USA anytime soon. It's gunna be at least another year of this. You just gotta roll with the punches at this point.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
#26740077 - 06/12/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think people should get fucking jobs.
And no, no hazard pay for a fucking flu.
Have got to be joking.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: HamHead]
#26740107 - 06/12/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ya it's not like they're getting shot at in Afghanistan though I still think people working in public hospitals directly with covid patients should get some type of hazard pay but $600 a week extra seems a little over the top.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics] 2
#26740146 - 06/12/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anyone who has to deal with Ham head should get hazard pay
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: koods]
#26740194 - 06/12/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: Anyone who has to deal with Ham head should get hazard pay
Let my boss know, currently I have 5 people working under me. I can almost guarantee they could use some more money.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: HamHead]
#26740365 - 06/12/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm an essential worker. I'm a veteran of the Shroomery. I'm a prolific poster. I've been known by every member in the last 10 years. I probably have 3 to 5 smileys based off me. I'm loved and hated by everyone. I deserve more money per hour.
Health care personnel can't live up to what I do.
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#26740366 - 06/12/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Patlal]
#26740369 - 06/12/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Patlal said: I'm an essential worker. I'm a veteran of the Shroomery. I'm a prolific poster. I've been known by every member in the last 10 years. I probably have 3 to 5 smileys based off me. I'm loved and hated by everyone. I deserve more money per hour.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Niffla]
#26740519 - 06/12/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I worked all this thru this though the station I work it is just me working alone, its hard to say the job is risky because the only possible exposure is the person who was sitting at the desk before me, after cleaning the whole thing before I start I can't say its that risky. I'm torn, everyone around me is getting handouts including people who are loaded. Canadian government is giving money to low paid essentials like grocery store workers, but I make too much money to qualify. I'd rather be working than depend on the government, but it would be nice to get something.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Patlal]
#26740533 - 06/12/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Patlal said: I'm an essential worker. I'm a veteran of the Shroomery. I'm a prolific poster. I've been known by every member in the last 10 years. I probably have 3 to 5 smileys based off me. I'm loved and hated by everyone. I deserve more money per hour.
Health care personnel can't live up to what I do.
Poker?
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: HamHead]
#26740647 - 06/12/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think he's a landlord.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#26740661 - 06/12/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Essential" workers deserve a serious boost up and constant thank you from society. Especially since certain states aren't choosing to do right by people an establish livable minimum wage and some sort of mechanisms of social growth and empowerment. Not sure why it took a virus to almost kill us for people to realize folks on the bottom rung are just that same as anyone an deserve respect and gratitude.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 1
#26740685 - 06/12/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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As an essential worker, I just want to make sure that people who work in the health insurance industry are not only not essential but a toxic burden to our great nation. As an essential worker I want permission I want permission to punch one of them in the face, i will settle for someone who is middle management and I expect no other financial compensation.
Thanks in advance
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#26740707 - 06/12/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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If we allow u some "time" paid for by the people for the people to spend with a serious professional "nurse" or healthcare professional would u experience some type of healing and reconciliation?
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#26740819 - 06/12/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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No that's not what I said, give me an insurance executive please I'll give them 37.98/week in perpetuity also subsidized by my employer just to ensure they get what they deserve as an essential worker.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#26740843 - 06/12/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am an essential worker. My company is contracted to make an adjuvant for the corona vaccine (the adjuvant increases the immune response) I am at significantly more risk by going to work everyday of contracting covid-19 even following strict adherence to best practices. My company pays a hazard pay of 200/week for every full time on-site >36 hour employee. Despite this, this should not exempt me from any government stimulus I may be qualified for, as again, my risk is probably 1000 fold of someone who can work from home everyday.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Ice9] 1
#26740855 - 06/12/20 11:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Would you accept getting to boot a health insurance executive in the face every month? nothing is concrete but I'm trying to float this idea in congress
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
#26740895 - 06/13/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't know but I am at manager at a grocery store and March and April were truly awful for me. Absolutely fucking crazy.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#26740950 - 06/13/20 01:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Would you accept getting to boot a health insurance executive in the face every month? nothing is concrete but I'm trying to float this idea in congress
if we can boot as hard as we want, and our choice of any CEO/congressperson, i might be willing to accept this compromise.
i'm pretty sure the world would swiftly become a better place and world peace would be achieved this way.
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#26740953 - 06/13/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The people deserve a money system not founded on and backed by debt.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: robbyberto]
#26741038 - 06/13/20 04:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good old fashion American debt is how we grow larger than we otherwise would be able to. Its actually really important in a modern world market
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robbyberto said: I don't know but I am at manager at a grocery store and March and April were truly awful for me. Absolutely fucking crazy.
Well too bad your just a shit kicker instead of a hero soldier angel nurse like morrowaster. Don't u see all the hearts n stuff on the old rich peoples houses. You get a heart felt thank you for risking your life so they can sit inside their palaces. So you got that kid stop acting like an entitled millennial or that nobody is nice to you or something.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 2
#26741123 - 06/13/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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As an essential worker surrounded by complaining essential workers. No, no handouts. And fire the complainers.
Work for me has been an absolute fuck storm of shit lately. I signed up for it. When something like this happens you kind of expected to have kick into high gear. Some people are just lazy spoiled fucks.
Also im probably at a much higher risk of contracting covid. Ive been shaking truck driver's hands from all over the country. And truckers are nasty as fuck usually
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26741212 - 06/13/20 07:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Some people are just lazy spoiled fucks.
Like capitalists who expect others to risk their lives to keep the money coming in.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: TheFakeSunRa] 1
#26741222 - 06/13/20 07:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Responsibility to keep you having a job. Those people definitely didn't work hard organizing your entire company that you get to show up at.
I forgot most employees are totally capable of designing companies and keeping them running
In this country they're the most essential. We wouldn't even have essential workers without them
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
#26741230 - 06/13/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why?
We have applauded them like 2 times already
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Tripsurfer] 1
#26741239 - 06/13/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think people don't realize how much is on the backs of people who start, run, administrate, and manage businesses.
Imagine if you fuck up and put 10+ people out of a job. And besides you have to deal with people complaining that you make money off their hard work. Too much money
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#26741253 - 06/13/20 07:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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For sure, Im in top management
Most of our actions are aimed at keeping all staff at work. Everybody in the management team took a paycutt to keep everyone on board
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#26742691 - 06/13/20 08:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: As an essential worker surrounded by complaining essential workers. No, no handouts. And fire the complainers.
Work for me has been an absolute fuck storm of shit lately. I signed up for it. When something like this happens you kind of expected to have kick into high gear. Some people are just lazy spoiled fucks.
Also im probably at a much higher risk of contracting covid. Ive been shaking truck driver's hands from all over the country. And truckers are nasty as fuck usually
why would you call it a handout? i'm a cashier working for 9.65 an hour, which is still better than the federal minimum wage. i make about 1000 a month, and of that, about 750 goes toward rent and utilities, and another 50 toward gas. i still qualify for food stamps because i still am poor enough that i don't count as middle class.
i'm encountering hundreds of people a day, many without masks, at close range, for shit pay, and i most certainly didn't sign up for crap like this with only a plexiglass screen that no one actually bothers to put between me and themselves (half the time they literally dont see it - they actually smack themselves against it like they're some oversized demented bird) while whining about how hot their mask is and TAKE IT OFF IN FRONT OF ME, defeating the entire goddamned purpose of the thing.
if you got lazy ass workers, here's a hint: fire the lazy ass workers. if they're not getting fired, either the manager is the problem... or maybe the workers aren't as worthless to the manager as you feel they are. either way, those workers deserve better than to get paid a sub-living wage while in the middle of a freaking pandemic. they shouldve been paid a living wage ages ago.
it's good for their health. it's good for the economies health. trickle down doesn't trickle down anything except piss. what we need is a wellspring from the bottom up, because a strong foundation is how economies are truly built.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26742729 - 06/13/20 09:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: As an essential worker surrounded by complaining essential workers. No, no handouts. And fire the complainers.
Work for me has been an absolute fuck storm of shit lately. I signed up for it. When something like this happens you kind of expected to have kick into high gear. Some people are just lazy spoiled fucks.
Also im probably at a much higher risk of contracting covid. Ive been shaking truck driver's hands from all over the country. And truckers are nasty as fuck usually
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#26742757 - 06/13/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psion said:
i'm a cashier working for 9.65 an hour, which is still better than the federal minimum wage. i make about 1000 a month, and of that, about 750 goes toward rent and utilities, and another 50 toward gas. i still qualify for food stamps because i still am poor enough that i don't count as middle class.
It shouldn't be legal to pay people 9.65. The taxpayers have to pay for your food stamps because your employer is too cheap to pay you a decent wage.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics] 1
#26742916 - 06/13/20 10:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Essential works they deserve that extra 2.00 hazard pay.. people on unemployment still make more money a week then the essential workers do.. also when you wear a face mask all day everyday your breathing in your own carbon dioxide, it also lowers your oxygen levels. Normal pulse oximeter readings usually range from 95 to 100 percent, values under 90 are considered low.. The lower the oxygen level, the more severe the hypoxemia. This can lead to complications in body tissue and organs.. honestly though if your wearing rubber gloves you're just spreading germs unless you change them everytime you touch something. The masks are uncomfortable to wear along with lowering oxygen levels in your body which could be dangerous to people with health issues like COPD, asthma, ect...
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Shroomvibe420]
#26742933 - 06/13/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That depends what essential workers your talking about and what state you're in.
And that's only an issue for n95 and above masks. Most people are wearing the surgical masks and they already recommend for people wearing n95 masks to take breaks and not wear them all day.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Shroomvibe420]
#26742936 - 06/13/20 11:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomvibe420 said: Essential works they deserve that extra 2.00 hazard pay.. people on unemployment still make more money a week then the essential workers do.. also when you wear a face mask all day everyday your breathing in your own carbon dioxide, it also lowers your oxygen levels. Normal pulse oximeter readings usually range from 95 to 100 percent, values under 90 are considered low.. The lower the oxygen level, the more severe the hypoxemia. This can lead to complications in body tissue and organs.. honestly though if your wearing rubber gloves you're just spreading germs unless you change them everytime you touch something. The masks are uncomfortable to wear along with lowering oxygen levels in your body which could be dangerous to people with health issues like COPD, asthma, ect...

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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
#26742939 - 06/13/20 11:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also many essential workers aren't at an increased risk than people staying at home.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
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I think if u were considered and can prove it in some way just and remember we know cuz taxes that you were a front line worker Then u should be entitled to receive some type of compensation paid directly from taxes collected from the insanlt supplemented unemployment or stay at home puss puss
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#26742972 - 06/13/20 11:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's another thing my state is pretty much out of tax revenue. If you want more money grow a pair and go out on strike.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#26742977 - 06/13/20 11:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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honestly who cares about nurses they make ample salaries with benefits to sit in a climate controlled well lit state the art clean facility and do what any decent human would do for another and get paid for it. Then they have to gaul to complain about that. What about ur single other thay didn't have the opportunity to go to nursing school and get paid a mear pittance. All while u treat them like pariah demanding your hoards of toilet paper and food to over eat and get fat on or trash to break and toss to the landfill. What about some black brown girl that works hard everyday scanning mind numbing amounts of just pure crap to walking sacks of human garbage. Smiling and thanking each one. I'm surprised more habent gone postal with how you people treat them honestly.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Tripsurfer]
#26742983 - 06/13/20 11:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tripsurfer said: For sure, Im in top management
Most of our actions are aimed at keeping all staff at work. Everybody in the management team took a paycutt to keep everyone on board
That's nice, but in general the objective of management is to increase shareholder value.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
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Psyche delics said: That's another thing my state is pretty much out of tax revenue. If you want more money grow a pair and go out on strike.
Out of tax revenue? Wtf happened did ur entire economy collapse? Or do u just think it's okay to live in a state where u don't pay taxes and constantly lose money for the country on a good year and have to get bailed out for every single natural disaster. My state were pissed we depleted or finally healthy rainy day fund over people being so fucking dumb and now we have to tighten the belt to start saving again to grow a comfortable savings. But yah taxes are stealimg haha
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Brian Jones]
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Tripsurfer said: For sure, Im in top management
Most of our actions are aimed at keeping all staff at work. Everybody in the management team took a paycutt to keep everyone on board
That's nice, but in general the objective of management is to increase shareholder value.
The objective is to maximize profit which in turn keeps all staff employed in stable jobs and increases shareholder value thereby capital in which the company can grow and the show goes on
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#26742995 - 06/13/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Idk it's just what I read have no idea how.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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maximizing profit can mean some rather unscrupulous things but it could also mean just doing right by people and simply just good business
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 2
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if you can't afford to pay all your employees a living wage, and leave it to the taxpayers to carry them with things like food stamps and other government programs just to survive...
maybe you have no business being in business.
you corporate welfare queens.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psion]
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psion]
#26743015 - 06/13/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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paying bottom rung employees a livable wage would be lit a drop in the bucket to the bottom line. Not only that but pretty much everywhere its been done its been beneficial. No matter what you do its been my opinion that raising the bottom rung is just simply good for everyone. By paying these people more they dont save it like rich people they just blow it all on crap constantly its actually incredible the bend over backwards to spend it. Major driver for the economy. I think bernstien sanders said we havent raised minimum wage in ten years i think its more than that idk. Shameful outrageous and detrimental not only to the American economy but the health and psyche of our neighbors in the community that do important essential work most of us take for granted
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#26743028 - 06/13/20 11:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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How is federal minimum age $7 something. Wtf u guys. Here well be at $15 by 2023 and thats just based on the numbers we were running for inflation and that's considered not even anything and catching up from wat behind as its gone up like a dollar every year from couple years ago till then. Look the numbers I thing most the older generations would be shocked to find out what millennial are expected to get by on then to be told theyre useless and entitled
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
#26743038 - 06/13/20 11:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ahab McBathsalts said: My employer was giving us an extra $25 a day for the first 6 weeks, but they quit that now.
It's not like covid is gunna go away in the USA anytime soon. It's gunna be at least another year of this. You just gotta roll with the punches at this point.
At Amazon we got an extra $2 an hour plus double time for overtime. The double time was great. It ended June 1. We have 2 or more new positive cases per week at my location.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#26743059 - 06/14/20 12:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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No owner or employee stockholder ceo or whatever should be allowed to make over three times what the lowest paid employee makes
I mean if you can’t live on three times what you expect someone else to live on then fuck you
Also, until homelessness is eradicated no one should be allowed to own more than one property
Property hoarding drives up rent and housing prices and prices out the poor
One person owning multiple properties while others are homeless is obscene and inhumane
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honestly, federal minimum needs to be raised to a living wage, immediately, and tied to inflation. but wait, you cry, this will drive business out of business, they can't handle the shock!
simple. let the government absorb the initial shock at first, with subsidies, that fade each year. we're already throwing money out the wazoo to businesses anyways in the trillions, might as well make it actually COUNT this time.
that way, we get the immediate pay raise (that stays properly at a living wage instead of constantly lagging decades behind the curve and waiting for congress to get off their asses to fix it) and companies get several years or more to slowly adjust to the cost (read: cut their CEOs 10 billion dollar golden parachute or something to 5 billion. boo hoo.)
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Brian Jones]
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Ahab McBathsalts said: My employer was giving us an extra $25 a day for the first 6 weeks, but they quit that now.
It's not like covid is gunna go away in the USA anytime soon. It's gunna be at least another year of this. You just gotta roll with the punches at this point.
At Amazon we got an extra $2 an hour plus double time for overtime. The double time was great. It ended June 1. We have 2 or more new positive cases per week at my location.
You should get at least 1/3 of what Bezos gets
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#26743067 - 06/14/20 12:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: No owner or employee stockholder ceo or whatever should be allowed to make over three times what the lowest paid employee makes
I mean if you can’t live on three times what you expect someone else to live on then fuck you
Also, until homelessness is eradicated no one should be allowed to own more than one property
Property hoarding drives up rent and housing prices and prices out the poor
One person owning multiple properties while others are homeless is obscene and inhumane
3 times? try 300 times. lol. it varies, but in the US the average CEO makes around 250 to 350 times the lowest worker, depending on the year.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Tripsurfer]
#26743085 - 06/14/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tripsurfer said: For sure, Im in top management
Most of our actions are aimed at keeping all staff at work. Everybody in the management team took a paycutt to keep everyone on board
In this scenario. What about a healthy economy at max employment, and a large tax cut aimed your way, what do you do in that situation? My guess if you are publicly traded, stock buybacks to raise the stock price, you know those nice options you get.
Top level, c-suite management don't worry about keeping people employed, its increasing earnings and increasing p/e ratios. There are millions of emaples of this.
I mean you could pass some of those progits on to employees in the form of raises, but that is bad business.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psion]
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TheFakeSunRa said: No owner or employee stockholder ceo or whatever should be allowed to make over three times what the lowest paid employee makes
I mean if you can’t live on three times what you expect someone else to live on then fuck you
Also, until homelessness is eradicated no one should be allowed to own more than one property
Property hoarding drives up rent and housing prices and prices out the poor
One person owning multiple properties while others are homeless is obscene and inhumane
3 times? try 300 times. lol. it varies, but in the US the average CEO makes around 250 to 350 times the lowest worker, depending on the year.
It’s often over 1000 times. But that should be illegal. 3 times should be the legal limit.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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Some people are just lazy spoiled fucks.
Like capitalists governments who expect others to risk their lives to keep the money coming in.
Fixed that for you.
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#26743264 - 06/14/20 03:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Few jobs are truly essential. If they are they are already getting paid well. Shut the fuck k Up and learn a skill and stop crying for free money is what I think of this especially for something as benign as a fuckinng flu ffs
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: theRealrollforever]
#26743268 - 06/14/20 03:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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And if you have a job just be grateful you have a job and are skilled and don’t need to rely on the government to give you lunch greedy lazy America
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: theRealrollforever]
#26743275 - 06/14/20 03:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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whats that? you don't want grocery stores? garbage collectors? i see. i guess i'm just not essential enough for you.
maybe instead of getting upset at me, you should be getting pissed at the companies riding on your tax dollars because they aren't paying me a living wage in the first place, so i'm forced to apply for EBT just to afford to eat, and medicare to afford to see the doctor and the dentist.
i'm not asking for free money. i'm asking for the wages i should've been getting paid 20 fucking years ago.
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American privilege is disgusting. American poor are fat. Have cellphones. Nails. Video games. Etc... Our minimum wage workers want Respect before its earned. It's ridiculously easy to make more money if you actually have skills and work ethic. Even shit jobs are in good conditions. An American sweat shop is Amazon. Where its climate controlled and you get breaks. Starting pay is close to what a fucking EMT makes.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26743396 - 06/14/20 05:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That kind of unspoiled attitude & perspective is rare nowadays....plus you’re not allowed to talk sense anymore.. it upsets people nowadays. It’s against unspoken conventional popular social law.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: bodhisatta]
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American privilege is disgusting
Yeah, rich white people have been out of hand since the get-go. Shit is changing fast though.
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Our minimum wage workers want Respect before its earned
I’ve only seen rich people act entitled to respect but I treat everyone with respect because that’s how decent people behave.
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and you get breaks
smgdh - goddamn you’re a fucking joke
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#26743461 - 06/14/20 06:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are you a bernout? One of those bernie sanders will fix my life people? Just curious
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
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EVERYBODY deserves a tide-me-over from the Government in the form of a tax return, where those of a larger income get a lesser % so that those who have the least, benefit the most -- as its a plan to benefit those most in need, the most.
The family that owns Walmart needs no compensation, but their workers and the cleaning lady do.
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I see people have literally no understanding of the wealthy elites or who makes up minimum wage workers but yet talk all kinds of shit about them. A large majority of rich people are just decent extremely hardworking incredibly well put together individuals and are good people. Not everyone on minimum wage is some lazy good for nothing expecting hand outs. Its alot of elderly, single mothers or really women in general, any number of situations. You know the people who can't just run put and buy new skills even if they had the money. Not to mention these people have been put to hell and back by you poeple over this shit. I mean working at a grocery store or warehouse or something must have been absolute chaos. Were talking about giving these people a living wage for godsakes what type of cold hearted bastard would argue against that. We haven't raised the minimum wage in 11 years or something. Incase u haven't noticed the world has turn up several notches since then. Talking about giving these people that bit extra for bearing the brunt and doing thier bit for the country during a global health crisis. Especially after you gave actual lazy good for nothings more money to be on unemployment. These people did nothing to help the country through this and everyone talks about were in this together but seems like nobody cares about that.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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Not going to work is helping the nation get through the pandemic 🤦‍♂️
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bodhisatta said: American privilege is disgusting. American poor are fat. Have cellphones. Nails. Video games. Etc... Our minimum wage workers want Respect before its earned. It's ridiculously easy to make more money if you actually have skills and work ethic. Even shit jobs are in good conditions. An American sweat shop is Amazon. Where its climate controlled and you get breaks. Starting pay is close to what a fucking EMT makes.
Yet its all booohoooo poor me
I am one of those poor. I am fat, because the only affordable food is preprocessesed junk with little nutrients and lots of calories per dollar spent. That's how I have to shop, calories per dollar. A head of lettuce may seem cheap, but with so few calories at 2 bucks a head, it's a luxury buy that I have to plan around if I want to have enough money for the entire month.
Its common for me to skip eating entirely 2 to 3 days a week. I'm still fat, despite eating only 1800 calories a day.
I have a smartphone...as a Christmas gift from my not so poor parents. I never would have been able to afford it myself, though there's hand me down phones fairly cheap online and it's a smart buy, being a pocket computer. I saw some as low as 60 bucks, used.
I play video games because they're the best godsdamed entertainment for your buck out there. Ffxiv is 13 a month, I paid 10 dollars for terraria and have over 1000 hours on that now over the years, etc. Creation games especially have long lives.
People act like respect is something to be parceled out, that they are some supreme being capable of judging who deserves respect and who does not. No.
Respect is not earned. It is given freely, without hesitation, to all. Respect is something that is lost, not earned. Remember the golden rule. what do you think racism is? Minorities haven't earned respect in someone's eyes, so they're something lesser. It's a toxic worldview. Get rid of it.
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Thats bullshit man
You can buy quite healthy stuff in bulk for cheap. Go to Asian supermarkets buy rice and beans
Pm Asante he will hook you up with plenty of recipes
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Tripsurfer]
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My town has no Asian market. It's not big enough for such, not culturally diverse enough. People here think mild salsa is too spicy for crying out loud.
It's in upper Michigan, where the growing season is short and pasty shops abound.
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People here think mild salsa is too spicy for crying out loud.
It's in upper Michigan
My dad is from upper MI and mild salsa got him like

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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Niffla]
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I'm native SoCal, moved here because it was more affordable than orange county (my parents can afford living there easily, but it took a lucky break with tak return and a triple paycheck month for me to even afford risking a move to here) so yeah, I laugh at how weak people are to spice here even as my soul cries for a Rubio's fish taco.
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Also im probably at a much higher risk of contracting covid. Ive been shaking truck driver's hands from all over the country. And truckers are nasty as fuck usually
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
#26744681 - 06/14/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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the entitlement issue has made it so you cant be respected no matter how hard u work 
just how much u own
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psion] 1
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Psion said: My town has no Asian market. It's not big enough for such, not culturally diverse enough. People here think mild salsa is too spicy for crying out loud.
It's in upper Michigan, where the growing season is short and pasty shops abound.
If you live anywhere near Houghton or Marquette you really don't have an excuse for being anything but well off. There's way too much work up there. We down in Milwaukee literally drive up there to work for 50/hr or more.
You can make a fortune doing landscaping, odds and ends, and snow removal with literally no skill and pennys to your name.
The UP is where people with too many felonies to get a job go to make more money than people with real jobs.
Make fucking trinkets and live in a trailer in copper harbor or something.
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#26744842 - 06/14/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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im sorry, but i work as a cashier. do you know how many people who come in my line use EBT food stamps?
about 4 in 5.
if there's really so much work and fortune to be made, there would not be so much people qualifying for food stamps. people do odd jobs yes, but they do it because you pretty much need to have seasonal jobs - there's long winters that shut down pretty much a lot of industries for half the year. snow removal only works when there's snow, and gardening only works when there's no snow. same with construction work. same with festivals, some only happen during the snow season, some during the warm season.
same with tourism - there's the skiing season and all the snow birds flock in, there's the warm season when people come for the hiking trails and the fishing and to...get eaten alive by black flies apparently. gods knows why.
and the heating bills in the winter are pure murder when it can literally get down to -20F plus wind chill... and the winds can get miiiighty feisty thanks to the lake. we're talking gusts of 40 MPH or higher.
i don't see very many "well off" people here. just lots of poor folks in ragged clothes and a few well off folks. you can call them all lazy all you want, but most of them i see are people working in construction, down in the mines, people snow plowing, in nursing, or doing other difficult jobs or working as entrepreneurs. they aren't lazy drug addicts. (well ok a few are, but most are not.) most simply are ordinary people struggling to get by in a world that shits on them every day because the government is corrupt and calls them lazy entitled bastards and pretends the american dream isn't a broken mirage that existed several decades ago for a couple decades and has been dead for generations now.
it's all a lie. only a few break past that mire of debt and crappy ass jobs to something better, and what do they do? smash the people that used to be their coworkers and friends, sneer at them and call them lazy and entitled, forget that they used to be one of them, and pretend that it was all skill and not both skill AND a huge smattering of good fortune that got them to their position. for every CEO there's a thousand burger flippers if not 10,000. do you think those burger flippers don't deserve a living wage?
those burger flippers are the literal base of society. not everyone can be a CEO, a doctor, a manager, a highly skilled position. there's simply not nearly enough positions available to even support every working adult for one thing. not even ones over 30 years old. and another, not every adult even has the ability or desire to go for such things. some people are perfectly content being a cashier, or a florist, a cake decorator, or a chef. they don't deserve to be punished with a wage that leaves them with crippling debt the very instant their car pops a tire or they wind up in the hospital.
no one deserves that.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Ice9]
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We are still a small company
Keeping people on board is very important as finding and training new staff takes forever and is very costly
Being c-suite managemenet does not make one an asshole by definition. Most high level managers I meet are very social people. But yes you are running a business so business decisions must be made from time to time
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: moonrockmushy]
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Psion said: most simply are ordinary people struggling to get by in a world that shits on them every day because the government is corrupt and calls them lazy entitled bastards and pretends the american dream isn't a broken mirage that existed several decades ago for a couple decades and has been dead for generations now.
it's all a lie. only a few break past that mire of debt and crappy ass jobs to something better, and what do they do? smash the people that used to be their coworkers and friends, sneer at them and call them lazy and entitled, forget that they used to be one of them, and pretend that it was all skill and not both skill AND a huge smattering of good fortune that got them to their position. for every CEO there's a thousand burger flippers if not 10,000. do you think those burger flippers don't deserve a living wage?
those burger flippers are the literal base of society. not everyone can be a CEO, a doctor, a manager, a highly skilled position. there's simply not nearly enough positions available to even support every working adult for one thing. not even ones over 30 years old. and another, not every adult even has the ability or desire to go for such things. some people are perfectly content being a cashier, or a florist, a cake decorator, or a chef. they don't deserve to be punished with a wage that leaves them with crippling debt the very instant their car pops a tire or they wind up in the hospital.
no one deserves that.
I say this over and over and over again to anyone who will listen! I am with you 100% on these points/facts!
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Psion said: im sorry, but i work as a cashier. do you know how many people who come in my line use EBT food stamps?
about 4 in 5.
if there's really so much work and fortune to be made, there would not be so much people qualifying for food stamps. people do odd jobs yes, but they do it because you pretty much need to have seasonal jobs - there's long winters that shut down pretty much a lot of industries for half the year. snow removal only works when there's snow, and gardening only works when there's no snow. same with construction work. same with festivals, some only happen during the snow season, some during the warm season.
same with tourism - there's the skiing season and all the snow birds flock in, there's the warm season when people come for the hiking trails and the fishing and to...get eaten alive by black flies apparently. gods knows why.
and the heating bills in the winter are pure murder when it can literally get down to -20F plus wind chill... and the winds can get miiiighty feisty thanks to the lake. we're talking gusts of 40 MPH or higher.
i don't see very many "well off" people here. just lots of poor folks in ragged clothes and a few well off folks. you can call them all lazy all you want, but most of them i see are people working in construction, down in the mines, people snow plowing, in nursing, or doing other difficult jobs or working as entrepreneurs. they aren't lazy drug addicts. (well ok a few are, but most are not.) most simply are ordinary people struggling to get by in a world that shits on them every day because the government is corrupt and calls them lazy entitled bastards and pretends the american dream isn't a broken mirage that existed several decades ago for a couple decades and has been dead for generations now.
it's all a lie. only a few break past that mire of debt and crappy ass jobs to something better, and what do they do? smash the people that used to be their coworkers and friends, sneer at them and call them lazy and entitled, forget that they used to be one of them, and pretend that it was all skill and not both skill AND a huge smattering of good fortune that got them to their position. for every CEO there's a thousand burger flippers if not 10,000. do you think those burger flippers don't deserve a living wage?
those burger flippers are the literal base of society. not everyone can be a CEO, a doctor, a manager, a highly skilled position. there's simply not nearly enough positions available to even support every working adult for one thing. not even ones over 30 years old. and another, not every adult even has the ability or desire to go for such things. some people are perfectly content being a cashier, or a florist, a cake decorator, or a chef. they don't deserve to be punished with a wage that leaves them with crippling debt the very instant their car pops a tire or they wind up in the hospital.
no one deserves that.
If you don't have the ability to better yourself because of a mental or physical handicap, that's one thing. But if you don't want to better yourself simply because you don't have the drive or desire to, then you can't expect to make more money. You don't honestly believe that someone owes you, do you?
Help me understand, are you trying to say that you should make just as much money being a cashier as someone that has applied themselves, made sacrifices and works tirelessly to be financially stable?
It almost sounds to me like you want life to be a cakewalk, if that's what you're saying, you're definitely in for a big surprise
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: MightyWhite] 1
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Minimum wage should be the minimum living wage. How that gets done - all over the world no less, I’ve no clue. Fight me.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: The Blind Ass]
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But what's minimum living wage though? I mean, really someone doesn't need all that much to just get by
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Fight me.
Y'all are so violent around here. Pirate challenged me to a fight earlier. And now you with MightyWhite. The fight culture here is very threatening and it makes me uncomfortable.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
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I did some research a while back, through the years the minimum wage has generally been between 9-12 dollars an hour I'm today's money. But now living is sooo much more expensive and it's only 7.25 an hour.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: The Blind Ass]
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Help me understand, are you trying to say that you should make just as much money being a cashier as someone that has applied themselves, made sacrifices and works tirelessly to be financially stable?
The myth that hard work pays off is so fucking tired.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
#26747121 - 06/15/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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My county’s minimum wage is $14.00 starting at the end of the month. Across the river in Virginia it’s still $7.25
DC’s minimum wage is $15.00 at the end of this month
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: MightyWhite]
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MightyWhite said: But what's minimum living wage though? I mean, really someone doesn't need all that much to just get by
Education, Housing, Food, Medical, Automobile, Utilities, Emergency Fund, Insurances, Taxes, Misc., Etc etc
For oneself and for family. That’s what needs to be accounted for if humanity is ever going to finally move past it’s infancy and into the era we’ve all known was possible.
Won’t happen at once, but incrementally over a long period of time.
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Psyche delics said: I did some research a while back, through the years the minimum wage has generally been between 9-12 dollars an hour I'm today's money. But now living is sooo much more expensive and it's only 7.25 an hour.
I'd say it depends where you live and how you live
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: MightyWhite]
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I'm talking about the federal minimum wage. My state is 10.00 an hour and it's one of the most expensive states to live. It was only 8.25 a few years ago when we had a republican governor now our new Dem governor is slowly increasing it to 15.00 an hour by 2024.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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The myth that hard work pays off is so fucking tired.
You cry too much. Hard work does pay off. How does it feel to harbor so much jealousy?
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Get Niffla some chicken wings please
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26747154 - 06/15/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It only pays off to an extent. Then it becomes about ass kissing, who you know, where you're from, how you look, and your ability to completely fuck people.
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#26747206 - 06/15/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: bodhisatta]
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Holy fuck you’re such an elitist snob
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: koods]
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Maybe. I don't want to work much harder than 35 an hour. But if I did I'd be doing rich people's remodeling for even more.
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MightyWhite said: If you don't have the ability to better yourself because of a mental or physical handicap, that's one thing. But if you don't want to better yourself simply because you don't have the drive or desire to, then you can't expect to make more money. You don't honestly believe that someone owes you, do you?
Help me understand, are you trying to say that you should make just as much money being a cashier as someone that has applied themselves, made sacrifices and works tirelessly to be financially stable?
It almost sounds to me like you want life to be a cakewalk, if that's what you're saying, you're definitely in for a big surprise
did i say that? no. i said that a cashier should not be sent into a spiral of debt death the instant they pop a tire or get seriously ill, simply for being a cashier. why the fuck should they be punished when they're an essential worker? seriously. you need those cashiers to sell you groceries, burgers, whatever goods. you need those garbage collectors to keep the streets clean. you need those janitors to keep your offices neat and tidy, you need those strawberry pickers to bring those berries in, you need those chicken packers to bring your chicken wings all nice and wrapped for you to buy.
you think we don't make sacrifices? that we don't work tirelessly? do you have any fucking clue how tiring it is to stand in one spot all day while dealing with karens whining about how hot this mask is and why their ice cream isn't ringing up at the sale price (hint: they can't read a sign to save their fatass life and the sale sticker was on something 4 feet away for something totally unrelated. and we gotta smile and deal with this because customer service.) and we either make the sacrifice of one job and almost no money and get some sleep, or work 2-3 jobs and 60-80 hours a week and our health and sleep suffers massively for it, or multiple jobs and college and our health and sleep suffers massively for it plus we're in massive debt to boot.
all because people think cashiers don't deserve a livable wage. because we're apparently lazy entitled brats. despite the fact the average age of a fast food worker is almost 30 years old. despite the fact that worker productivity has soared over the decades despite the fact that wages have stayed flat or fallen, accounting for inflation. CEO pay sure hasn't though! i'm sure they're feeling great about that! we're the ones who's done all the footwork in productivity, yet we've seen NOTHING in actual gains.
even though the economy would benefit massively if we did.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhi dawg this shit is fucc'n wit me

make it stop
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Niffla]
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These companies can afford to pay some of there staff 15 dollars an hour and would make our lower class stronger and encourage people collecting wellfare unemployment food stamps ect. To get jobs. And potentially strengthen our economy.
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
Truck stop greeter
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
Within a year. If you don't know how to do any remodeling or construction its so easy you can teach people with a language barrier.
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
Truck stop greeter
Shaking more than dirty hands, apparently.
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
Within a year. If you don't know how to do any remodeling its so easy you can teach people with a language barrier.
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
Within a year. If you don't know how to do any remodeling or construction its so easy you can teach people with a language barrier.
So teaching English?
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26748070 - 06/16/20 01:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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MightyWhite said: But what's minimum living wage though? I mean, really someone doesn't need all that much to just get by
Education, Housing, Food, Medical, Automobile, Utilities, Emergency Fund, Insurances, Taxes, Misc., Etc etc
For oneself and for family. That’s what needs to be accounted for if humanity is ever going to finally move past it’s infancy and into the era we’ve all known was possible.
Won’t happen at once, but incrementally over a long period of time.
Damn, that's a lot. I think me and you have different ideas of what minimum living is.
I do believe someone could have everything you listed all at once if they had the desire to move forward from cashier to something like a skilled tradesman for example. Humanity would definitely be growing past infancy
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psion]
#26748095 - 06/16/20 02:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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MightyWhite said: If you don't have the ability to better yourself because of a mental or physical handicap, that's one thing. But if you don't want to better yourself simply because you don't have the drive or desire to, then you can't expect to make more money. You don't honestly believe that someone owes you, do you?
Help me understand, are you trying to say that you should make just as much money being a cashier as someone that has applied themselves, made sacrifices and works tirelessly to be financially stable?
It almost sounds to me like you want life to be a cakewalk, if that's what you're saying, you're definitely in for a big surprise
did i say that? no. i said that a cashier should not be sent into a spiral of debt death the instant they pop a tire or get seriously ill, simply for being a cashier. why the fuck should they be punished when they're an essential worker? seriously. you need those cashiers to sell you groceries, burgers, whatever goods. you need those garbage collectors to keep the streets clean. you need those janitors to keep your offices neat and tidy, you need those strawberry pickers to bring those berries in, you need those chicken packers to bring your chicken wings all nice and wrapped for you to buy.
you think we don't make sacrifices? that we don't work tirelessly? do you have any fucking clue how tiring it is to stand in one spot all day while dealing with karens whining about how hot this mask is and why their ice cream isn't ringing up at the sale price (hint: they can't read a sign to save their fatass life and the sale sticker was on something 4 feet away for something totally unrelated. and we gotta smile and deal with this because customer service.) and we either make the sacrifice of one job and almost no money and get some sleep, or work 2-3 jobs and 60-80 hours a week and our health and sleep suffers massively for it, or multiple jobs and college and our health and sleep suffers massively for it plus we're in massive debt to boot.
all because people think cashiers don't deserve a livable wage. because we're apparently lazy entitled brats. despite the fact the average age of a fast food worker is almost 30 years old. despite the fact that worker productivity has soared over the decades despite the fact that wages have stayed flat or fallen, accounting for inflation. CEO pay sure hasn't though! i'm sure they're feeling great about that! we're the ones who's done all the footwork in productivity, yet we've seen NOTHING in actual gains.
even though the economy would benefit massively if we did.
No one is punishing you for being a cashier, it's too bad that you feel that way. Look, my job is essential too, I'm a truck driver. My job is extremely stressful, demanding and dangerous, but I'm not going to complain or ask for anything extra. I've been working 75-85 hours a week 7 days a week since beginning of February. I make sure you have food/fresh produce in the store, I bring supplies like toilet paper to the store so society can fight over it.
If you're really unhappy with your financial situation, then you need to change it yourself. I'm sure you've figured out by now that no one is looking out for you but you.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: MightyWhite] 2
#26748097 - 06/16/20 02:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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what the heck? education is needed to move forward from cashier to something more. food and housing is needed to survive. medical is needed to, you know, not keel over and die. automobile is needed to get to work. utilities are needed because everyone has to pay the bills. emergency fund is needed because everyone has to pay Murphy sometime or another. insurances are needed because for one thing, it's often mandated by law (such as health insurance, or auto insurance) and another, because it's cheaper than the alternative of paying Murphy. taxes are needed because uncle sam comes for you if you don't. misc is needed because your boss fires you if you don't use things like shampoo, deodorant, shave, wear clothes without holes in them, shoes that aren't falling apart, and so on.
a living wage covers all this plus leaves a little bit, not a ton, but a little extra to save up and have a little bit of discretionary funds for having fun. maybe a new TV, or saving up a couple months for a new computer, or eating out and buying some decent clothes if thats your thing every couple weeks. we're not talking Ferrari's and diamond rings the size of pigeon eggs here.
we're talking being able to afford fresh fruits and veggies without wondering if it will break the food budget for the month, or buy a new pair of shoes that cost more than 10$ at walmart that won't fall apart in 2 months because that's all you can afford, or seeing your paycheck dry up in 2 days because you have it planned down 2 weeks ahead of time down to 10 cents, every paycheck. and praying old man murphy doesn't pay a visit.
i make roughly 1000 dollars a month. i seriously doubt you make anywhere near that little as a truck driver.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
#26748114 - 06/16/20 02:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
Within a year. If you don't know how to do any remodeling its so easy you can teach people with a language barrier.
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
Within a year. If you don't know how to do any remodeling or construction its so easy you can teach people with a language barrier.
So teaching English?
I'm pretty sure what he's saying is that, someone who can't even speak English here in America that is able and willing can learn do better than minimum wage.
Bodhi isn't wrong
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26748270 - 06/16/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ding ding. This is also why most felons actually do pretty well for themselves. The only thing available to them is real work that pays real well.
If you're any good and don't fuck off within a year you can work on crews that do work for rich people and make bank
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
#26748467 - 06/16/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psyche delics said: It only pays off to an extent. Then it becomes about ass kissing, who you know, where you're from, how you look, and your ability to completely fuck people.
Yep!
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
#26748473 - 06/16/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psyche delics said: These companies can afford to pay some of there staff 15 dollars an hour and would make our lower class stronger and encourage people collecting wellfare unemployment food stamps ect. To get jobs. And potentially strengthen our economy.
I say it should be 20 an hour min wage all over the usa. They still make millions and people have a better life.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26748555 - 06/16/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Idk about within the first year making $60 an hour that's what my friends dad made as a foreman in a NYC union. But you can make alot of money I'm construction, but you're gonna wreck your body over the years.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26748839 - 06/16/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psyche delics said: These companies can afford to pay some of there staff 15 dollars an hour and would make our lower class stronger and encourage people collecting wellfare unemployment food stamps ect. To get jobs. And potentially strengthen our economy.
I say it should be 20 an hour min wage all over the usa. They still make millions and people have a better life.
U cant raise minimum wage that much especially not over night are u mad? Yes essential workers deserve more money than the good for nothings THATS IT END OF DISCUSSION.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#26748903 - 06/16/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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LOL, yes, they can. Overnight would be great! Then more people would apply for more jobs and it would begin to even out some, maybe. BUT, those really wealthy million/billionaires DO NOT/WILL NOT take ANY less than they want to, period. Therein lies the problem. Period. Yes, I am a bit mad actually.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
#26748972 - 06/16/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psyche delics said: Idk about within the first year making $60 an hour that's what my friends dad made as a foreman in a NYC union. But you can make alot of money I'm construction, but you're gonna wreck your body over the years.
I have a buddy working in of all places upper Michigan making 59.90 on a prevailing wage job or whatever it's called now there.  This guy has multiple felonies and no resume
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