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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: MightyWhite] 1
#26747223 - 06/15/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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MightyWhite said: If you don't have the ability to better yourself because of a mental or physical handicap, that's one thing. But if you don't want to better yourself simply because you don't have the drive or desire to, then you can't expect to make more money. You don't honestly believe that someone owes you, do you?
Help me understand, are you trying to say that you should make just as much money being a cashier as someone that has applied themselves, made sacrifices and works tirelessly to be financially stable?
It almost sounds to me like you want life to be a cakewalk, if that's what you're saying, you're definitely in for a big surprise
did i say that? no. i said that a cashier should not be sent into a spiral of debt death the instant they pop a tire or get seriously ill, simply for being a cashier. why the fuck should they be punished when they're an essential worker? seriously. you need those cashiers to sell you groceries, burgers, whatever goods. you need those garbage collectors to keep the streets clean. you need those janitors to keep your offices neat and tidy, you need those strawberry pickers to bring those berries in, you need those chicken packers to bring your chicken wings all nice and wrapped for you to buy.
you think we don't make sacrifices? that we don't work tirelessly? do you have any fucking clue how tiring it is to stand in one spot all day while dealing with karens whining about how hot this mask is and why their ice cream isn't ringing up at the sale price (hint: they can't read a sign to save their fatass life and the sale sticker was on something 4 feet away for something totally unrelated. and we gotta smile and deal with this because customer service.) and we either make the sacrifice of one job and almost no money and get some sleep, or work 2-3 jobs and 60-80 hours a week and our health and sleep suffers massively for it, or multiple jobs and college and our health and sleep suffers massively for it plus we're in massive debt to boot.
all because people think cashiers don't deserve a livable wage. because we're apparently lazy entitled brats. despite the fact the average age of a fast food worker is almost 30 years old. despite the fact that worker productivity has soared over the decades despite the fact that wages have stayed flat or fallen, accounting for inflation. CEO pay sure hasn't though! i'm sure they're feeling great about that! we're the ones who's done all the footwork in productivity, yet we've seen NOTHING in actual gains.
even though the economy would benefit massively if we did.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26747231 - 06/15/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26747234 - 06/15/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhi dawg this shit is fucc'n wit me

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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Niffla]
#26747246 - 06/15/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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These companies can afford to pay some of there staff 15 dollars an hour and would make our lower class stronger and encourage people collecting wellfare unemployment food stamps ect. To get jobs. And potentially strengthen our economy.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics] 2
#26747251 - 06/15/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
Truck stop greeter
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics] 1
#26747284 - 06/15/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
Within a year. If you don't know how to do any remodeling or construction its so easy you can teach people with a language barrier.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: koods]
#26747420 - 06/15/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
Truck stop greeter
Shaking more than dirty hands, apparently.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#26747427 - 06/15/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
Truck stop greeter
Shaking more than dirty hands, apparently.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26747442 - 06/15/20 07:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
Within a year. If you don't know how to do any remodeling its so easy you can teach people with a language barrier.
Wait whatQuote:
bodhisatta said:
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
Within a year. If you don't know how to do any remodeling or construction its so easy you can teach people with a language barrier.
So teaching English?
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26748070 - 06/16/20 01:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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MightyWhite said: But what's minimum living wage though? I mean, really someone doesn't need all that much to just get by
Education, Housing, Food, Medical, Automobile, Utilities, Emergency Fund, Insurances, Taxes, Misc., Etc etc
For oneself and for family. That’s what needs to be accounted for if humanity is ever going to finally move past it’s infancy and into the era we’ve all known was possible.
Won’t happen at once, but incrementally over a long period of time.
Damn, that's a lot. I think me and you have different ideas of what minimum living is.
I do believe someone could have everything you listed all at once if they had the desire to move forward from cashier to something like a skilled tradesman for example. Humanity would definitely be growing past infancy
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psion]
#26748095 - 06/16/20 02:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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MightyWhite said: If you don't have the ability to better yourself because of a mental or physical handicap, that's one thing. But if you don't want to better yourself simply because you don't have the drive or desire to, then you can't expect to make more money. You don't honestly believe that someone owes you, do you?
Help me understand, are you trying to say that you should make just as much money being a cashier as someone that has applied themselves, made sacrifices and works tirelessly to be financially stable?
It almost sounds to me like you want life to be a cakewalk, if that's what you're saying, you're definitely in for a big surprise
did i say that? no. i said that a cashier should not be sent into a spiral of debt death the instant they pop a tire or get seriously ill, simply for being a cashier. why the fuck should they be punished when they're an essential worker? seriously. you need those cashiers to sell you groceries, burgers, whatever goods. you need those garbage collectors to keep the streets clean. you need those janitors to keep your offices neat and tidy, you need those strawberry pickers to bring those berries in, you need those chicken packers to bring your chicken wings all nice and wrapped for you to buy.
you think we don't make sacrifices? that we don't work tirelessly? do you have any fucking clue how tiring it is to stand in one spot all day while dealing with karens whining about how hot this mask is and why their ice cream isn't ringing up at the sale price (hint: they can't read a sign to save their fatass life and the sale sticker was on something 4 feet away for something totally unrelated. and we gotta smile and deal with this because customer service.) and we either make the sacrifice of one job and almost no money and get some sleep, or work 2-3 jobs and 60-80 hours a week and our health and sleep suffers massively for it, or multiple jobs and college and our health and sleep suffers massively for it plus we're in massive debt to boot.
all because people think cashiers don't deserve a livable wage. because we're apparently lazy entitled brats. despite the fact the average age of a fast food worker is almost 30 years old. despite the fact that worker productivity has soared over the decades despite the fact that wages have stayed flat or fallen, accounting for inflation. CEO pay sure hasn't though! i'm sure they're feeling great about that! we're the ones who's done all the footwork in productivity, yet we've seen NOTHING in actual gains.
even though the economy would benefit massively if we did.
No one is punishing you for being a cashier, it's too bad that you feel that way. Look, my job is essential too, I'm a truck driver. My job is extremely stressful, demanding and dangerous, but I'm not going to complain or ask for anything extra. I've been working 75-85 hours a week 7 days a week since beginning of February. I make sure you have food/fresh produce in the store, I bring supplies like toilet paper to the store so society can fight over it.
If you're really unhappy with your financial situation, then you need to change it yourself. I'm sure you've figured out by now that no one is looking out for you but you.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: MightyWhite] 2
#26748097 - 06/16/20 02:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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what the heck? education is needed to move forward from cashier to something more. food and housing is needed to survive. medical is needed to, you know, not keel over and die. automobile is needed to get to work. utilities are needed because everyone has to pay the bills. emergency fund is needed because everyone has to pay Murphy sometime or another. insurances are needed because for one thing, it's often mandated by law (such as health insurance, or auto insurance) and another, because it's cheaper than the alternative of paying Murphy. taxes are needed because uncle sam comes for you if you don't. misc is needed because your boss fires you if you don't use things like shampoo, deodorant, shave, wear clothes without holes in them, shoes that aren't falling apart, and so on.
a living wage covers all this plus leaves a little bit, not a ton, but a little extra to save up and have a little bit of discretionary funds for having fun. maybe a new TV, or saving up a couple months for a new computer, or eating out and buying some decent clothes if thats your thing every couple weeks. we're not talking Ferrari's and diamond rings the size of pigeon eggs here.
we're talking being able to afford fresh fruits and veggies without wondering if it will break the food budget for the month, or buy a new pair of shoes that cost more than 10$ at walmart that won't fall apart in 2 months because that's all you can afford, or seeing your paycheck dry up in 2 days because you have it planned down 2 weeks ahead of time down to 10 cents, every paycheck. and praying old man murphy doesn't pay a visit.
i make roughly 1000 dollars a month. i seriously doubt you make anywhere near that little as a truck driver.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
#26748114 - 06/16/20 02:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
Within a year. If you don't know how to do any remodeling its so easy you can teach people with a language barrier.
Wait whatQuote:
bodhisatta said:
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Psyche delics said:
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bodhisatta said: You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
What job do you start out making $60 an hour?
Within a year. If you don't know how to do any remodeling or construction its so easy you can teach people with a language barrier.
So teaching English?
I'm pretty sure what he's saying is that, someone who can't even speak English here in America that is able and willing can learn do better than minimum wage.
Bodhi isn't wrong
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26748270 - 06/16/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ding ding. This is also why most felons actually do pretty well for themselves. The only thing available to them is real work that pays real well.
If you're any good and don't fuck off within a year you can work on crews that do work for rich people and make bank
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
#26748467 - 06/16/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psyche delics said: It only pays off to an extent. Then it becomes about ass kissing, who you know, where you're from, how you look, and your ability to completely fuck people.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
#26748473 - 06/16/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psyche delics said: These companies can afford to pay some of there staff 15 dollars an hour and would make our lower class stronger and encourage people collecting wellfare unemployment food stamps ect. To get jobs. And potentially strengthen our economy.
I say it should be 20 an hour min wage all over the usa. They still make millions and people have a better life.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26748555 - 06/16/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Idk about within the first year making $60 an hour that's what my friends dad made as a foreman in a NYC union. But you can make alot of money I'm construction, but you're gonna wreck your body over the years.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26748839 - 06/16/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psyche delics said: These companies can afford to pay some of there staff 15 dollars an hour and would make our lower class stronger and encourage people collecting wellfare unemployment food stamps ect. To get jobs. And potentially strengthen our economy.
I say it should be 20 an hour min wage all over the usa. They still make millions and people have a better life.
U cant raise minimum wage that much especially not over night are u mad? Yes essential workers deserve more money than the good for nothings THATS IT END OF DISCUSSION.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#26748903 - 06/16/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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LOL, yes, they can. Overnight would be great! Then more people would apply for more jobs and it would begin to even out some, maybe. BUT, those really wealthy million/billionaires DO NOT/WILL NOT take ANY less than they want to, period. Therein lies the problem. Period. Yes, I am a bit mad actually.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
#26748972 - 06/16/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psyche delics said: Idk about within the first year making $60 an hour that's what my friends dad made as a foreman in a NYC union. But you can make alot of money I'm construction, but you're gonna wreck your body over the years.
I have a buddy working in of all places upper Michigan making 59.90 on a prevailing wage job or whatever it's called now there.  This guy has multiple felonies and no resume
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