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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26744842 - 06/14/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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im sorry, but i work as a cashier. do you know how many people who come in my line use EBT food stamps?
about 4 in 5.
if there's really so much work and fortune to be made, there would not be so much people qualifying for food stamps. people do odd jobs yes, but they do it because you pretty much need to have seasonal jobs - there's long winters that shut down pretty much a lot of industries for half the year. snow removal only works when there's snow, and gardening only works when there's no snow. same with construction work. same with festivals, some only happen during the snow season, some during the warm season.
same with tourism - there's the skiing season and all the snow birds flock in, there's the warm season when people come for the hiking trails and the fishing and to...get eaten alive by black flies apparently. gods knows why.
and the heating bills in the winter are pure murder when it can literally get down to -20F plus wind chill... and the winds can get miiiighty feisty thanks to the lake. we're talking gusts of 40 MPH or higher.
i don't see very many "well off" people here. just lots of poor folks in ragged clothes and a few well off folks. you can call them all lazy all you want, but most of them i see are people working in construction, down in the mines, people snow plowing, in nursing, or doing other difficult jobs or working as entrepreneurs. they aren't lazy drug addicts. (well ok a few are, but most are not.) most simply are ordinary people struggling to get by in a world that shits on them every day because the government is corrupt and calls them lazy entitled bastards and pretends the american dream isn't a broken mirage that existed several decades ago for a couple decades and has been dead for generations now.
it's all a lie. only a few break past that mire of debt and crappy ass jobs to something better, and what do they do? smash the people that used to be their coworkers and friends, sneer at them and call them lazy and entitled, forget that they used to be one of them, and pretend that it was all skill and not both skill AND a huge smattering of good fortune that got them to their position. for every CEO there's a thousand burger flippers if not 10,000. do you think those burger flippers don't deserve a living wage?
those burger flippers are the literal base of society. not everyone can be a CEO, a doctor, a manager, a highly skilled position. there's simply not nearly enough positions available to even support every working adult for one thing. not even ones over 30 years old. and another, not every adult even has the ability or desire to go for such things. some people are perfectly content being a cashier, or a florist, a cake decorator, or a chef. they don't deserve to be punished with a wage that leaves them with crippling debt the very instant their car pops a tire or they wind up in the hospital.
no one deserves that.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Ice9]
#26745586 - 06/15/20 05:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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We are still a small company
Keeping people on board is very important as finding and training new staff takes forever and is very costly
Being c-suite managemenet does not make one an asshole by definition. Most high level managers I meet are very social people. But yes you are running a business so business decisions must be made from time to time
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#26746749 - 06/15/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: I think he's a landlord.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psion] 1
#26746828 - 06/15/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psion said: most simply are ordinary people struggling to get by in a world that shits on them every day because the government is corrupt and calls them lazy entitled bastards and pretends the american dream isn't a broken mirage that existed several decades ago for a couple decades and has been dead for generations now.
it's all a lie. only a few break past that mire of debt and crappy ass jobs to something better, and what do they do? smash the people that used to be their coworkers and friends, sneer at them and call them lazy and entitled, forget that they used to be one of them, and pretend that it was all skill and not both skill AND a huge smattering of good fortune that got them to their position. for every CEO there's a thousand burger flippers if not 10,000. do you think those burger flippers don't deserve a living wage?
those burger flippers are the literal base of society. not everyone can be a CEO, a doctor, a manager, a highly skilled position. there's simply not nearly enough positions available to even support every working adult for one thing. not even ones over 30 years old. and another, not every adult even has the ability or desire to go for such things. some people are perfectly content being a cashier, or a florist, a cake decorator, or a chef. they don't deserve to be punished with a wage that leaves them with crippling debt the very instant their car pops a tire or they wind up in the hospital.
no one deserves that.
I say this over and over and over again to anyone who will listen! I am with you 100% on these points/facts!
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psion] 1
#26747098 - 06/15/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psion said: im sorry, but i work as a cashier. do you know how many people who come in my line use EBT food stamps?
about 4 in 5.
if there's really so much work and fortune to be made, there would not be so much people qualifying for food stamps. people do odd jobs yes, but they do it because you pretty much need to have seasonal jobs - there's long winters that shut down pretty much a lot of industries for half the year. snow removal only works when there's snow, and gardening only works when there's no snow. same with construction work. same with festivals, some only happen during the snow season, some during the warm season.
same with tourism - there's the skiing season and all the snow birds flock in, there's the warm season when people come for the hiking trails and the fishing and to...get eaten alive by black flies apparently. gods knows why.
and the heating bills in the winter are pure murder when it can literally get down to -20F plus wind chill... and the winds can get miiiighty feisty thanks to the lake. we're talking gusts of 40 MPH or higher.
i don't see very many "well off" people here. just lots of poor folks in ragged clothes and a few well off folks. you can call them all lazy all you want, but most of them i see are people working in construction, down in the mines, people snow plowing, in nursing, or doing other difficult jobs or working as entrepreneurs. they aren't lazy drug addicts. (well ok a few are, but most are not.) most simply are ordinary people struggling to get by in a world that shits on them every day because the government is corrupt and calls them lazy entitled bastards and pretends the american dream isn't a broken mirage that existed several decades ago for a couple decades and has been dead for generations now.
it's all a lie. only a few break past that mire of debt and crappy ass jobs to something better, and what do they do? smash the people that used to be their coworkers and friends, sneer at them and call them lazy and entitled, forget that they used to be one of them, and pretend that it was all skill and not both skill AND a huge smattering of good fortune that got them to their position. for every CEO there's a thousand burger flippers if not 10,000. do you think those burger flippers don't deserve a living wage?
those burger flippers are the literal base of society. not everyone can be a CEO, a doctor, a manager, a highly skilled position. there's simply not nearly enough positions available to even support every working adult for one thing. not even ones over 30 years old. and another, not every adult even has the ability or desire to go for such things. some people are perfectly content being a cashier, or a florist, a cake decorator, or a chef. they don't deserve to be punished with a wage that leaves them with crippling debt the very instant their car pops a tire or they wind up in the hospital.
no one deserves that.
If you don't have the ability to better yourself because of a mental or physical handicap, that's one thing. But if you don't want to better yourself simply because you don't have the drive or desire to, then you can't expect to make more money. You don't honestly believe that someone owes you, do you?
Help me understand, are you trying to say that you should make just as much money being a cashier as someone that has applied themselves, made sacrifices and works tirelessly to be financially stable?
It almost sounds to me like you want life to be a cakewalk, if that's what you're saying, you're definitely in for a big surprise
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: MightyWhite] 1
#26747103 - 06/15/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Minimum wage should be the minimum living wage. How that gets done - all over the world no less, I’ve no clue. Fight me.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26747110 - 06/15/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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But what's minimum living wage though? I mean, really someone doesn't need all that much to just get by
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#26747114 - 06/15/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said:
Fight me.
Y'all are so violent around here. Pirate challenged me to a fight earlier. And now you with MightyWhite. The fight culture here is very threatening and it makes me uncomfortable.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#26747115 - 06/15/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I did some research a while back, through the years the minimum wage has generally been between 9-12 dollars an hour I'm today's money. But now living is sooo much more expensive and it's only 7.25 an hour.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26747120 - 06/15/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Help me understand, are you trying to say that you should make just as much money being a cashier as someone that has applied themselves, made sacrifices and works tirelessly to be financially stable?
The myth that hard work pays off is so fucking tired.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics]
#26747121 - 06/15/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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My county’s minimum wage is $14.00 starting at the end of the month. Across the river in Virginia it’s still $7.25
DC’s minimum wage is $15.00 at the end of this month
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26747127 - 06/15/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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MightyWhite said: But what's minimum living wage though? I mean, really someone doesn't need all that much to just get by
Education, Housing, Food, Medical, Automobile, Utilities, Emergency Fund, Insurances, Taxes, Misc., Etc etc
For oneself and for family. That’s what needs to be accounted for if humanity is ever going to finally move past it’s infancy and into the era we’ve all known was possible.
Won’t happen at once, but incrementally over a long period of time.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics] 1
#26747129 - 06/15/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psyche delics said: I did some research a while back, through the years the minimum wage has generally been between 9-12 dollars an hour I'm today's money. But now living is sooo much more expensive and it's only 7.25 an hour.
I'd say it depends where you live and how you live
Get Niffla some chicken wings please, he's upset
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26747143 - 06/15/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm talking about the federal minimum wage. My state is 10.00 an hour and it's one of the most expensive states to live. It was only 8.25 a few years ago when we had a republican governor now our new Dem governor is slowly increasing it to 15.00 an hour by 2024.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#26747149 - 06/15/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said:
The myth that hard work pays off is so fucking tired.
You cry too much. Hard work does pay off. How does it feel to harbor so much jealousy?
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: MightyWhite] 1
#26747150 - 06/15/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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MightyWhite said:
Get Niffla some chicken wings please
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26747154 - 06/15/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It only pays off to an extent. Then it becomes about ass kissing, who you know, where you're from, how you look, and your ability to completely fuck people.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: Psyche delics] 1
#26747206 - 06/15/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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You shouldn't make a living wage doing the work that children living at home can do. Sorry burger flippers.
Hard work absolutely pays off. If you are an able bodied person living in the united states you can make 55-60 an hour within a year if you don't mind actually working. There's prevailing wage jobs seeking people out not the other way around.
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26747207 - 06/15/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Holy fuck you’re such an elitist snob
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Re: Do essential workers deserve extra money from the government? [Re: koods]
#26747211 - 06/15/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe. I don't want to work much harder than 35 an hour. But if I did I'd be doing rich people's remodeling for even more.
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