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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Enlil]
    #26738442 - 06/12/20 01:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Assuming you're correct, that's the very definition of systemic racism, dude.




I guess it's a human nature problem and idk how you could fix it without interfering with people's rights


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #26738528 - 06/12/20 02:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Stop targeting black communities for law enforcement. How much of the higher crime rates in black communities is due to actually higher levels of crime and how much is due to increased enforcement. Both of these things are likely to contribute, but it should be obvious that if you spend more time looking for crime you will find more crime.


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: koods] * 1
    #26738563 - 06/12/20 02:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe the police go to black neighborhoods more because theres more crime happening there :shrug:


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #26738583 - 06/12/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

But they definitely find more crime in black communities because they spend more time in black communities. If you admit that cops target enforcement in black neighborhoods, then you have to admit a black criminals are more likely to get caught than white criminals. So how much of the higher crime rate in the black community is due excess crime and how much is due to excess enforcement?

It is possible that excess enforcement is entirely responsible for higher crime rates.


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: koods]
    #26738591 - 06/12/20 03:31 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Its a circle koods. Cops spend more time in poor communities because poor communities have high rates of crime. So since they're there more often dealing with crime they also witness crimes while being there that needs to stopped as well


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
    #26738670 - 06/12/20 04:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe the police go to black neighborhoods more because theres more crime happening there :shrug:




Yes, but is there 21 times more crime there? The answer we have to give to all racists, is no, there isn't. But cops are 21 times more likely to kill a black person than a white person. Tell me a non racist (or a racist I don't care) explanation for that.


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26738798 - 06/12/20 06:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)



In other words the Gods say YES to #blacklivesmatter

And this after Allah flew planes into the World Trade Center and the Christians voted Trump in office.

You could swear God has beef with the United States Government.


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Asante]
    #26738842 - 06/12/20 07:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

But that's good to be inclusive though.



Hey dude. Are you feeling better?


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Asante]
    #26738912 - 06/12/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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In other words the Gods say YES to #blacklivesmatter

And this after Allah flew planes into the World Trade Center and the Christians voted Trump in office.

You could swear God has beef with the United States Government.



Does that mean the gods hate muslims too? :lol:


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: koods] * 1
    #26739088 - 06/12/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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But they definitely find more crime in black communities because they spend more time in black communities. If you admit that cops target enforcement in black neighborhoods, then you have to admit a black criminals are more likely to get caught than white criminals. So how much of the higher crime rate in the black community is due excess crime and how much is due to excess enforcement?

It is possible that excess enforcement is entirely responsible for higher crime rates.




It's not responsible for the crime that has already occurred and they respond too. Law enforcement responses to murders, assaults, rapes and other violent crimes. It's not like driving around looking for people with a break light out.


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26739101 - 06/12/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe the police go to black neighborhoods more because theres more crime happening there :shrug:




Yes, but is there 21 times more crime there? The answer we have to give to all racists, is no, there isn't. But cops are 21 times more likely to kill a black person than a white person. Tell me a non racist (or a racist I don't care) explanation for that.




https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

"Black men are about 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police"


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: qman] * 3
    #26739113 - 06/12/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

More "white" people were killed by cops last year while having proportionately less police encounters though.


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #26739118 - 06/12/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe the police go to black neighborhoods more because theres more crime happening there :shrug:




Yes, but is there 21 times more crime there? The answer we have to give to all racists, is no, there isn't. But cops are 21 times more likely to kill a black person than a white person. Tell me a non racist (or a racist I don't care) explanation for that.



I would assume that the vast majority of blacks killed by police are young black males. Young black males make up a disproportionate amount of cop killers, and police know this. If you knew young black males were say 5% of the us population but kill, say 50% of cops, you would probably be on your toes around them as well. There's probably a shit load of reasons why young black males are disproportionately killed by police, and im sure there are plenty of reasonable explanations that are not simply "cops are racists" :shrug:


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: MagicMush123] * 3
    #26739122 - 06/12/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: qman]
    #26739124 - 06/12/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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But they definitely find more crime in black communities because they spend more time in black communities. If you admit that cops target enforcement in black neighborhoods, then you have to admit a black criminals are more likely to get caught than white criminals. So how much of the higher crime rate in the black community is due excess crime and how much is due to excess enforcement?

It is possible that excess enforcement is entirely responsible for higher crime rates.




It's not responsible for the crime that has already occurred and they respond too. Law enforcement responses to murders, assaults, rapes and other violent crimes. It's not like driving around looking for people with a break light out.




Quite a bit of it is


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
    #26739126 - 06/12/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Holy shit. It’s been two weeks. Protests every day. Thread upon thread. And you still have absolutely no clue what it’s about.

That chart is wrong. The per capita rate of the offenders race alone doesn’t accurately represent the data because the per capita rate of the victims race is also a factor. There may be five times fewer potential black offenders but there are five times MORE potential white victims.


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #26739205 - 06/12/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe the police go to black neighborhoods more because theres more crime happening there :shrug:




Yes, but is there 21 times more crime there? The answer we have to give to all racists, is no, there isn't. But cops are 21 times more likely to kill a black person than a white person. Tell me a non racist (or a racist I don't care) explanation for that.



I would assume that the vast majority of blacks killed by police are young black males. Young black males make up a disproportionate amount of cop killers, and police know this. If you knew young black males were say 5% of the us population but kill, say 50% of cops, you would probably be on your toes around them as well. There's probably a shit load of reasons why young black males are disproportionately killed by police, and im sure there are plenty of reasonable explanations that are not simply "cops are racists" :shrug:




I just don’t understand why black on black crime is at all relevant. Your side brings it up all the time. What does that have to do with cops killing citizens of either race? Why isn’t the fact that a huge majority of white people are killed by other white people ever discussed? In fact the the percentages aren’t very different. 89% of black victims are killed by black offenders. 81% of white victims are killed by white offenders. Where’s your outrage over white on white crime?

2014 Race of cop killers. 42 white. 13 black. That’s pretty fucking proportional considering the disproportionate number of encounters black people have with cops. But I get what you’re saying. Cops perceive black people to be more dangerous. But, that is literally an example of systemic racism. You just think it’s justifed. An individual black person should not be judged based on the perceived danger that black people as whole represent.

As for “cops are racist” some are. But even the ones who aren’t still work inside the racist system that I have just described.

Why do black people get unproportionally killed?

Unproportional enforcement of laws
Unproportional perception of danger blacks present
Uneven perception of second amendment rights based on race

There’s three, all examples of systemic racism


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Eminence] * 2
    #26739211 - 06/12/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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More "white" people were killed by cops last year while having proportionately less police encounters though.




We need to talk about white on white crime

How many white people killed by cops before you think there’s a problem?


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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: koods] * 1
    #26739343 - 06/12/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe the police go to black neighborhoods more because theres more crime happening there :shrug:




Yes, but is there 21 times more crime there? The answer we have to give to all racists, is no, there isn't. But cops are 21 times more likely to kill a black person than a white person. Tell me a non racist (or a racist I don't care) explanation for that.



I would assume that the vast majority of blacks killed by police are young black males. Young black males make up a disproportionate amount of cop killers, and police know this. If you knew young black males were say 5% of the us population but kill, say 50% of cops, you would probably be on your toes around them as well. There's probably a shit load of reasons why young black males are disproportionately killed by police, and im sure there are plenty of reasonable explanations that are not simply "cops are racists" :shrug:




I just don’t understand why black on black crime is at all relevant. Your side brings it up all the time. What does that have to do with cops killing citizens of either race? Why isn’t the fact that a huge majority of white people are killed by other white people ever discussed? In fact the the percentages aren’t very different. 89% of black victims are killed by black offenders. 81% of white victims are killed by white offenders. Where’s your outrage over white on white crime?

2014 Race of cop killers. 42 white. 13 black. That’s pretty fucking proportional considering the disproportionate number of encounters black people have with cops. But I get what you’re saying. Cops perceive black people to be more dangerous. But, that is literally an example of systemic racism. You just think it’s justifed. An individual black person should not be judged based on the perceived danger that black people as whole represent.

As for “cops are racist” some are. But even the ones who aren’t still work inside the racist system that I have just described.

Why do black people get unproportionally killed?

Unproportional enforcement of laws
Unproportional perception of danger blacks present
Uneven perception of second amendment rights based on race

There’s three, all examples of systemic racism




We're never going to change the perception that black males are more dangerous than the rest of the general population. Law enforcement and the vast majority of the population has that perception. Now you can call that systemic racism and some can call it statistical commonsense, but that's the reality of how humans function.

Now people can lie to themselves and suggest they don't share that fear and condemn others that do, but that doesn't change anything.

Males get treated differently than females, there's no reeducating people out of that perception. So instead of just suggesting it's entirely unjustified, maybe it's time to accept why that perception is so prevalent in the first place.


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    #26739368 - 06/12/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Part of being any kind of professional is not doing things the wrong way.


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