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    #26738862 - 06/12/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hi everyone,

Cakes have reached what appears to be 100% roughly a week ago, therefore consolidation period should be over.  The plan is birthing today. 

Question is, some have formed pins invitro which I’ve heard can be a sign of contamination.  But, I also know many people still birth when there are no signs of contamination (sight or smell), which there are not.  Does this jar look fine for birthing as far as being contaminant free and fully colonized as I believe?

Through reading I’ve come to the conclusion that any cakes with pins will only be dunked, where as the rest will be rolled as well, does this sound proper?

Thanks in advance!



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Re: Birthing time? [Re: RiversideSkunk]
    #26738872 - 06/12/20 07:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Definitely birthing time when u have pins growing :smile:

Pinning happens when the cake is ready to birth. If you see no infections on the cake, then its totally normal. If its pinning before 100% colonization or if u see a mold infection, then yeah it will pin.

But yours looks good to go :thumbup:


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Re: Birthing time? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26738933 - 06/12/20 07:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That’s great news!  So excited for these next steps, thanks so much! 😁


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Re: Birthing time? [Re: RiversideSkunk]
    #26739100 - 06/12/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Also, would you recommend rolling the cakes with pins still or just dunking those ones?


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Re: Birthing time? [Re: RiversideSkunk]
    #26739128 - 06/12/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You're gonna wanna skip the roll, probably.

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RogerRabbit said:
The bad information in this thread from first year growers is disturbing.  Please guys, if you don't know an answer, don't just make shit up.

We've known for years that you should dunk, but don't roll cakes with pins already formed.  The sharp verm damages the pins and most abort if they're rolled around in it.

In addition, never pick the pins off a cake after birthing.  That's your first and often second flushes forming.  If you rip them off, you'll get far fewer mushrooms.

Dunk with the pins, but be careful.  most of the pins will grow during the dunk.
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Re: Birthing time? [Re: Marxcelium]
    #26743661 - 06/14/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you for the reply, i had seen this and assumed I’d come across an update if it was outdated but thought it better to ask.

Any idea on how often they should be misted without the verm layer from rolling?  Read the misting project and nothing directly addressed this, if they’re still getting a fine mist to the point of glistening and this is sustained when it evaporates would that be fine?

Thanks again


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Re: Birthing time? [Re: RiversideSkunk]
    #26743707 - 06/14/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Totally depends on what fruiting chamber you will use. Personally I would advise against not rolling the cakes in verm. First time growers and cakes with no protective layer rarely end in success.. statistically.. Also Ime pins don't just abort as soon as they get coated in verm or coir, just gently apply the verm layer however you feel is best for the cake and pins and depending on what FC you're using keep an eye real close on the cakes many times daily and post pics and updates if you're unsure of climate or whatever, it doesn't take many hours for the cakes to get damaged if they're in hostile environments. Hope that helps a bit. Gl


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Re: Birthing time? [Re: Mateja]
    #26743916 - 06/14/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks I appreciate the input!  They are in a SGFC.  At the moment, they’ve been placed in without the verm barrier.  I definitely understand for a first timer needing to be protecting against them being dried out.  It will be easier to see when they need to be listed with the barrier obviously, will it also serve to protect against contams then? 
The information from the RR quote would be more relevant if I’m just doing a roll without being cautious then?  So long as I’m gentle and apply where I am able I should face no issues?
Sorry for the questions, last one is would you recommend removing them again from the chamber for a full dunk before applying the verm, or would a simple rinse and roll/apply suffice? 

Thanks again.

Will also try to upload some pictures for anyone curious/to get some advice :smile:


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Re: Birthing time? [Re: RiversideSkunk]
    #26744029 - 06/14/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't literally "roll", but I most definitely would carefully apply verm


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Re: Birthing time? [Re: Apples in Mono]
    #26744047 - 06/14/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If you have already dunked your cakes then they're fully hydrated and won't need to be placed in water until after first flush. Just rinse and roll and pump that very fine mist from high above to create that glistening effect from thousands of micro droplets.

This is the micro climate on the surface that I try to maintain at all times because its proven so far to consistently generate pinsets that develop into full flushes. Here's how the micro climate will look both with and without the protective outer layer.



Other growers may have different inputs and there isn't always a more right way to do things so take this simply as 'information' that could be useful for you. Gl

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I wouldn't literally "roll", but I most definitely would carefully apply verm



Nice that you touched on this, I like to pour too much verm in a deep bowl and then I dig a grave and place the cake inside and cover it completely with verm and ever so gently press to apply onto the cake.


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Re: Birthing time? [Re: Mateja]
    #26751321 - 06/17/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the replies!

I’m definitely still considering it with these cakes.  I haven’t had an opportunity to do more than check in on them, mist, and fan until tonight.  They seem to be doing incredibly well as is though.  My only concern at this point would be the pins themselves have gotten larger and are more abundant.  There are also a ton of knots forming, and they seem to be staying perfectly moist, with no warning signs of contam.  This has me debating leaving them, however the next batch which is finishing its consolidation period will definitely be rolled or have verm applied to compare.

I’m attaching a few pictures of the cakes and curious to see any input on how they are looking, and whether you think they should still have some verm applied this evening.  Notice how one cake has fuzzy mycelium growing on some pins, I’m just curious if this is attempting to colonize the fruits coming out and may lead to a mushroom on a mushroom, or if it seems concerning?  Pure white with no odour so I’m thinking it’s fine.

One pin is also rather large and almost appears to be opening up/veil tearing already?  If you notice from the picture any input is greatly appreciate.

Thanks again.



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