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OfflineElChapoEscobar
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Why the incubator hate?
    #26738627 - 06/12/20 04:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So I am making an incubator, and for my purposes, am not going to stop. I will not have a closed lid on mine and will be using closed windows/AC as a controlled environment so why not use an incubator? Below is a link to some incubator hate.
If I'm using it for Petri dishes and maybe some jars, i don't see what the big deal is

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4514858


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: ElChapoEscobar] * 2
    #26738711 - 06/12/20 05:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Theres two main reasons. Incubators will make the substrate too hot which could breed infections like mold and bacteria. The other main reason is that they dry out your substrate, again cause they get too hot. Ambient heat such as a space heater, is a much safer, smarter option.

But do as u wish....


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: ElChapoEscobar] * 1
    #26738716 - 06/12/20 05:30 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What temp do you plan to keep it at? Room temp seems to be fine for cube mycelium... if you keep your temps to high like even in the 80's (F) it could promote bacterial growth and other nasties.

I have no problem germinating spores on agar, using LC, and G2G at room temp which is usually low 70's...sometimes high 60's in my house....when it gets cold I just throw a blanket on it.

My jars and plates always colonize fine...no issues.

I used to use incubators but I found they are not only unecessary..they are just a big hassle...IMHO.


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: ElChapoEscobar] * 2
    #26738731 - 06/12/20 05:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The big deal is you are trying to create a bacteria farm. Low temperatures don't ruin anything, they just slow it down a bit. Higher temperatures create an environment that is more favorable to contaminates than to actives.


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #26739066 - 06/12/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

u also gtta remember as the mycelium consumes the substrate it generates its own heat. and it can actually be quite a bit. i have noticed as much as 10-15 deg warmer than the temp of the room when scanned with an ir thermometer. so an incubator is as mentioned a waste of $$ and a waste of time. especially if your just growing cubes as they are so forgiving and will grow just fine in damn near any room temp environment you put them in.

i even colonize all my pans at room temp. be it on agar,grain or bulk. only when i fruit them do i have to use a heat source of any type. and that still only sets my temp in the fruiting chamber to between 77-80 deg.


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: ElChapoEscobar] * 1
    #26739157 - 06/12/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just as an additional data point, here's this:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17954773

I ran a similar but smaller version of this this winter/early spring, and it sped colonization times for my grain and BRF jars by like 4-5 days when it was cold out.  You have to be super careful with these, though, for the reasons stated above.  I didn't dare bump my water temp above 75 faranheit because the mycelium itself geneates heat and can put you in the kind of territory where contams will thrive. I never had an issue with mine, but, like others are saying, you're running a risk incubating, and it's probably best left as an aid in the cooler months if you can't afford to run your heater all the time like me :rolleyes:


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: Marxcelium]
    #26739233 - 06/12/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Valid point. In winter/cold months, incubators are useful. However in warmer months, they should be never be used.


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26739517 - 06/12/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I used one back when I first started and I lost more then I got. The act of the mycelium digesting the grains will create enough heat to fuel the colonization. You can throw a towel over them to hold more heat if your area is really chilly. If you need to stall you can refrigerate you colonize grains. Got good growth on agar without incubation.


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: jerrylove]
    #26739638 - 06/12/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I have always managed to get smelly bacterial closest to heated part in the substrate whenever temps have been artificially increased above room temperature in my grows where I tried to do it.


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: MindMeower]
    #26747557 - 06/15/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Incubator for agar and jars, not substrate. Ill be running 15-18 monotubs


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: ElChapoEscobar] * 1
    #26747568 - 06/15/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No need for incubation, the heat will encourage bacterial bloom and is more favorable for competitor molds... if you're comfortable, so will your cultures,plates, jars and tubs


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26747572 - 06/15/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

And thank you guys i appreciate the feed back. I have heard it cuts down on time, if done right. I figured if temps drop to 60s as i live in washington state, amd incubator will keep everything going fast and smooth. I plan on using it for just agar (80 Petri dishes min) and jars for colonizing. Water temp would be 72-75 at all times. We will see.


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26747579 - 06/15/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well shoot. I didnt buy the heater and pump yet so I won't be doing an incubator. Ill just use the tubs for agar and jars at room temp.


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26747585 - 06/15/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

60 is a little low, but they will fruit in the upper 50's just slower... my hvac stays set to 73, but I fruit in a cooler space (62-66) and might lose 12 hrs

If your dishes are wrapped, they can sit on a shelf, if they're not wrapped, keeping them in a tub will not keep them from contaminating


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26747606 - 06/15/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

its for space. I can always draw a diagram of my setup. Bedroom closet bulk growing. I have parafilm for my dishes. Sterilizer and a nice air purifier. Im confident in anti-bacteria. I know I'll get some here and there but I clean everything daily to make sure this goes good.

The jars and agar will be in a 30gal rubbermaid next to my bed/closet for space. No where else to put them as closet will be stacked with 18 monotubs.


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26747632 - 06/15/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't lid them...  want access to fresh air around them: they're aerobic organisms and do best with fresh air... colonization not as imperative as fruiting, but stale air and higher temps are breeding ground for many contaminants


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: Caps McGee] * 1
    #26747967 - 06/15/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I know the jars need FAE but agar plates do too? I learn something everyday


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: ElChapoEscobar] * 1
    #26748003 - 06/16/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

ElChapoEscobar said:
I know the jars need FAE but agar plates do too? I learn something everyday




They need gas exchange, not FAE


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: ElChapoEscobar]
    #26748006 - 06/16/20 12:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

ElChapoEscobar said:
Incubator for agar and jars, not substrate. Ill be running 15-18 monotubs




The higher temps will affect colonizing spawn + substrate more than fully colonized substrates.

When I first started I actually used a tub in tub incubator because I was running it in an unheated garage during winter time.
In that situation it worked well, would have made more sense to just bring them inside tho 😂

I fruited tubs in an attic one summer, it would get down to 50 at night and up above 100 during the day. I had to water a lot and I got some hollow fruits but they did fine. Cubes are hardy!


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Re: Why the incubator hate? [Re: mushpunx]
    #26748023 - 06/16/20 12:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you dude!


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