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South Australia - Galerina's?
#26738660 - 06/12/20 04:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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First pick today without the help of an experienced friend.
I couldn't find anything I would confidently say are Subs so i picked these to help me tell for myself the bad vs the good.
Hoping to get a confirmation that they are indeed Galerina's. Getting used to distinguishing them from subs.
Picked in a pine plantation-cheers.
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Yes they are Galerina
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Re: South Australia - Galerina's? [Re: OOISI]
#26739053 - 06/12/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Scary how much the pins can resemble subs. Nice Galerinas
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Re: South Australia - Galerina's? [Re: Sultan]
#26739281 - 06/12/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sultan said: Scary how much the pins can resemble subs. Nice Galerinas
Very eye-opening post! Thanks for sharing OP
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Re: South Australia - Galerina's? [Re: Moria841]
#26739413 - 06/12/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Man, that is crazy! I wonder if anyone has ever made the fatal mistake of ingesting those before?
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Apples in Mono
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Re: South Australia - Galerina's? [Re: Allium]
#26739853 - 06/12/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think it's usually fatal, but people have definitely eaten them before
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pineninja
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They grow side by side in some places and can at first glance seem.amazingly similar.
Its a danger when picking while tripping.
I believe one or 2 is going to give you a mild upset but it's when people have genuinely made the mistake and keep eating them in the hope of tripping that the real problems occur.
The one clearly defining difference is the annulus ring on a gallerina is always visible and it is not on subs.
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Re: South Australia - Galerina's? [Re: pineninja]
#26739918 - 06/12/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I thought most all galerina were deadly no matter the dose?
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Apples in Mono
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Re: South Australia - Galerina's? [Re: Allium]
#26739981 - 06/12/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nah. I don't even know if there's any sort of chemical that's known to be deadly no matter the dose
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Re: South Australia - Galerina's? [Re: Allium]
#26740042 - 06/12/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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So is vodka if you drink the case
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Re: South Australia - Galerina's? [Re: pineninja] 1
#26740056 - 06/12/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Amatoxins in Galerina Marginata have been measured to be around 0.1mg up to 1mg per gram of dried material.
The LD50 for humans is about. 0.1mg/kg so A couple dried grams of Galerinas would probably be enough to kill an adult. Though even non lethal amounts would likely still cause irreversible liver damage.
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Re: South Australia - Galerina's? [Re: Nickoloxious] 1
#26740087 - 06/12/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im not suggesting you eat them at all.
With a pinch of experience you can easily tell the difference.
Picking them up to check them out aint dangerous.
If you were to accidently get a crumb in your shroom bag far from great... but you'd be fine.
A couple of dried grams of the galls here would be a dozen atleast.
Its right to be scarded enough to be aware but not so scared to not get out there and educate yourself
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Re: South Australia - Galerina's? [Re: Nickoloxious]
#26740129 - 06/12/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nickoloxious said: Amatoxins in Galerina Marginata have been measured to be around 0.1mg up to 1mg per gram of dried material.
The LD50 for humans is about. 0.1mg/kg so A couple dried grams of Galerinas would probably be enough to kill an adult. Though even non lethal amounts would likely still cause irreversible liver damage.
Exactly what I thought thanks for the input mate
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Re: South Australia - Galerina's? [Re: pineninja] 1
#26740153 - 06/12/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I really don't know how much it'd take, but I did remember reading this a while back.
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Alan Rockefeller said: Those people are looking for dinner and get death caps though - it's been about 40 years since anyone has died trying to get high on psilocybin mushrooms.
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Alan Rockefeller said: One of our members ate Galerina marginata around 2013 or so, he got sick but didn't die. Moral of the story is if you have not slept in a few days and are high on MXE and god comes along and tells you to eat a mushroom, don't listen!
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Alan Rockefeller said: Yes all of the noobs think that hippies are dropping like flies from eating Galerina because all of the beginning mushroom hunting literature overstates the danger. While it is true that deadly mushrooms can grow 1 cm from actives (I saw this happen in San Francisco), it turns out that to get poisoned you have to eat a lot of deadly mushrooms. Hippies who are wondering if their Galerina marginata or Pholiotina filaris are active and eat 2 or 3 aren't going to notice anything other than placebo.
Some people found Pholiotina filaris group in wood chips in Monterey and contacted me both here and on Facebook about finding a possible new species of Pholiotina. They said the high was awesome, very giggly. They said they stained blue but I couldn't see any staining in the photos. I think they were likely eating deadly mushrooms but not enough to get poisoned, but it is hard to tell for sure. I am going to ask them to mail some to me.
I wonder if that mail ever came
Edited by Apples in Mono (06/12/20 05:39 PM)
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Our western education about mushrooms begins and ends with don't...unless it's got 5.99 on the label.
It's helpful to have fear about the things you don't know that could possibly kill you.
It's better to learn the true risks and keep them in mind.
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Re: South Australia - Galerina's? [Re: pineninja]
#26740297 - 06/12/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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DAMN those like fucking scary alike!
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Cheers for the confirmation and extra information everyone!
I suppose the key differences in these would be the annulus in the majority of them. The orangey colour of the stems. None of them bruised or showed any signs of blue colouration and the spore print obviously brown colour??
Edited by Adrianrippens (06/12/20 07:14 PM)
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Apples in Mono
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Yeah, still definitely don't eat Galerinas tho. Lol
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Adrianrippens
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Wasn't planning on it 😂
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Quote:
Adrianrippens said: Cheers for the confirmation and extra information everyone!
I suppose the key differences in these would be the annulus in the majority of them. The orangey colour of the stems. None of them bruised or showed any signs of blue colouration and the spore print obviously brown colour??
Yep yep and yep.
Easiest in the field is stipe feel and colour and annulus.
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Re: South Australia - Galerina's? [Re: pineninja]
#26740370 - 06/12/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry if I was grouchy....its just that the thing I hear over and over again is how dangerous (insert blanket statement about mushrooms) it is to approach the field.
Its this fear that been deliberately placed because its the easiest method of control. Unfortunately it works.
That's not what you were saying you were and are worried about a potentially deadly mushroom so I apologise.
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