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InvisibleJellric
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Iraqi cancers, birth defects blamed on U.S. depleted uranium
    #2673738 - 05/13/04 03:44 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

'Depleted uranium, known as DU, is a highly dense metal that is the byproduct of the process during which fissionable uranium used to manufacture nuclear bombs and reactor fuel is separated from natural uranium. DU remains radioactive for about 4.5 billion years.'

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/95178_du12.shtml


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Re: Iraqi cancers, birth defects blamed on U.S. depleted uranium [Re: Jellric]
    #2673822 - 05/13/04 04:11 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

> DU remains radioactive for about 4.5 billion years.

This is very misleading... kind of like saying drugs make holes in your brain. Not that I am a fan of depleted uranium rounds, but spitting out some random fact that has little to no merit on its own is pointless other than stirring up hype.

The difference between depleted uranium and non-depeleted uranium is next to nothing. We used to use uranium in toothpaste, paint, roofing tar, and many other applications for years. If you have an orange or yellow gloss ashtray from the 60's, most likely it is covered with uranium based paint.


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Re: Iraqi cancers, birth defects blamed on U.S. depleted uranium [Re: Jellric]
    #2673838 - 05/13/04 04:15 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

it has also been claimed that it (depleted uranium) causes "gulf war syndrome"


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Re: Iraqi cancers, birth defects blamed on U.S. depleted uranium [Re: Seuss]
    #2673892 - 05/13/04 04:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

If you have an orange or yellow gloss ashtray from the 60's, most likely it is covered with uranium based paint.




well that explains Nixon...


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Re: Iraqi cancers, birth defects blamed on U.S. depleted uranium [Re: Seuss]
    #2673915 - 05/13/04 04:30 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

>We used to use uranium in toothpaste, paint, roofing tar, and many other applications for years. If you have an orange or yellow gloss ashtray from the 60's, most likely it is covered with uranium based paint.
this is very misleading as well. uranium is shown to increase the rates of cancer, and cause kidney failure, among other things.


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Re: Iraqi cancers, birth defects blamed on U.S. depleted uranium [Re: Seuss]
    #2674578 - 05/13/04 06:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The paragraph I quoted was merely an appetizer to the main piece. Anyone reading the entire article can put it in context and decide for themselves.


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Re: Iraqi cancers, birth defects blamed on U.S. depleted uranium [Re: Jellric]
    #2684933 - 05/16/04 02:21 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The article is absolute trash with exactly zero scientific basis. The whole "DU is poison" myth has been so thoroughly debunked so many times in so many places by so many scientists who actually know what they're talking about I'm astonished to see posts on this forum popping up regularly.

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Re: Iraqi cancers, birth defects blamed on U.S. depleted ura [Re: Phred]
    #2686039 - 05/16/04 12:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

In Bosnia there where high increase of cancer after the war. It might not be depleted uranium that caused this trouble, it might be something different.

Yet, there is too high correlation not to think about its causes.

BTW, people being hungry eated everything they could get from the humanitarian help. Such as millitary cookies whose last date to be eaten dated in 1940-ies. Pretty unbelievable, but pretty true too. Who knows how more terrifing things lie bellow the surface we do not know about.


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Re: Iraqi cancers, birth defects blamed on U.S. depleted ura [Re: Crobih]
    #2689812 - 05/17/04 03:05 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

On 9 January, John Spellar, the Defence Minister, told the House of Commons that the conclusion of many years of research showed "there is no evidence linking DU to cancers or to the more general ill health being experienced by some Gulf veterans". This echoes Peter Hain, who said there had been "no credible research data". In fact, the data is credible and voluminous, dating back to the development of the atomic bomb in 1943, when Brigadier General Leslie Groves, the head of the Manhattan Project, warned that particles of uranium used in ammunition could cause "permanent lung damage". In 1991, the UK Atomic Energy Authority warned that, if particles from merely 8 per cent of the DU used in the Gulf were inhaled, there could be "300,000 potential deaths".

Spellar claimed there had been no rise in the number of kidney ailments or cancers among veterans of the Gulf war. The Ministry of Defence has been told by the National Gulf Veterans and Families Association of a dramatic increase in both diseases among veterans. Last year, Speller said: "We are unaware of anything that shows depleted uranium has caused any ill health or death of people who served in Kosovo or Bosnia." Again, this was false. Nato's own guidelines include: "Inhalation of insoluble depleted uranium dust particles has been associated with long-term health effects including cancers and birth defects." It was only after six Italian soldiers, who had served in Kosovo, died from leukaemia, that the scandal caused panic in Nato, with the Defence Secretary, Geoffrey Hoon, contradicting himself, saying DU posed a "limited risk", then "no risks", then, bizarrely, that it is "protecting British forces".

For the Iraqi people, however, the cover-up continues. What has been striking about the political and media reaction over the past fortnight is that most of the victims of depleted uranium have rated barely a mention. Yet Tony Blair himself was made aware of their suffering when he was sent, in March 1999, UN statistics, published in the British Medical Journal, showing a sevenfold increase in cancer in southern Iraq between 1989 and 1994.

It is in southern Iraq that the theoretical figure of "500,000 potential deaths" can be applied, in a desert landscape where the dust gets in your eyes, nose and throat, swirling around people in the street and children in playgrounds. In Basra's hospitals, the cancer wards are overflowing. Before the Gulf war, they did not exist. "The dust carries death," Dr Jawad Al-Ali, a cancer specialist and member of Britain's Royal College of Physicians, told me. "Our own studies indicate that more than 40 per cent of the population in this area will get cancer in five years' time to begin with, then long afterwards. Most of my own family now have cancer, and we have no history of the disease. It has spread to the medical staff of this hospital. We are living through another Hiroshima. Of course, we don't know the precise source of the contamination, because we are not allowed [under sanctions] to get the equipment to conduct a proper scientific survey, or even to test the excess level in our bodies. We suspect depleted uranium. There simply can be no other explanation."

The Sanctions Committee in New York has blocked or delayed a range of cancer diagnostic equipment and drugs, even painkillers. Professor Karol Sikora, as chief of the cancer programme of the World Health Organisation, wrote in the British Medical Journal: "Requested radiotherapy equipment, chemotherapy drugs and analgesics are consistently blocked by United States and British advisers [to the Sanctions Committee]. There seems to be a rather ludicrous notion that such agents could be converted into chemical or other weapons." Professor Sikora told me: "The saddest thing I saw in Iraq was children dying because there was no chemotherapy and no pain control. It seemed crazy they couldn't have morphine, because for everybody with cancer pain, it is the best drug. When I was there, they had a little bottle of aspirin pills to go round 200 patients in pain." Although there have since been improvements in some areas, more than 1,000 life-saving items remain "on hold" in New York, with Kofi Annan personally appealing for their release "without delay".

I interviewed Professor Doug Rokke, the US Army health physicist who led the "clean-up" of depleted uranium in Kuwait. He now has 5,000 times the permissible level of radiation in his body, and is ill. "There can be no reasonable doubt about this," he said. "As a result of the heavy metal and radiological poison of DU, people in southern Iraq are experiencing respiratory problems, breathing problems, kidney problems, cancers. Members of my own team have died or are dying from cancer . . . At various meetings and conferences, the Iraqis have asked for the normal medical treatment protocols. The US Department of Defense and the British Ministry of Defence have refused them. I attended a conference in Washington where the Iraqis came looking for help. They approached myself, officials of the Defense Department and the British MoD. They were told it was their responsibility; they were rebuffed."

http://www.newstatesman.com/site.php3?ne...RN=200101220006


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