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Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone * 2
    #26736862 - 06/11/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What’s everyone thoughts, personally I think it’s an awesome experiment. Can there be law and order without a police presence, we shall see.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/seattle-autonomous-zone.html



SEATTLE — On the streets next to a police precinct in Seattle’s Capitol Hill neighborhood, protesters and officers spent a week locked in a nightly cycle of standoffs, at times ending with clouds of tear gas.

But facing a growing backlash over its dispersal tactics in the aftermath of George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis, the Seattle Police Department this week offered a concession: Officers would abandon their precinct, board up the windows and let the protesters have free rein outside.

In a neighborhood that is the heart of the city’s art and culture — threatened these days as rising tech wealth brings in gentrification — protesters seized the moment. They reversed the barricades to shield the liberated streets and laid claim to several city blocks, now known as the “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.”


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Antigov] * 1
    #26736930 - 06/11/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

We can't know how it would work if we don't try. :shrug:
I'm down for all experimentation.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Antigov]
    #26736955 - 06/11/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

There's a warlord with armed guards frisking people and exhortation of local businesses, yea how awesome.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Antigov] * 3
    #26736958 - 06/11/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This is wildly misguided and will only hurt themselves and their cause in the long run. The rule of law is one of the most beautiful and important things we have in the US. It is one of the things that separates us from tyrannical and corrupt third world countries.

The rule of law is what protects people from racist abuse, violence, and discrimination. The rule of law is how you enforce things like desegregation and laws against lynching and laws against discrimination in employment, housing, and education. Nothing could possibly be more damaging and more dangerous than opposing the rule of law, especially for the goals that these protesters support. This is wildly misguided and wrong and is only going to hurt them and their cause.

This doesn't improve the police, it doesn't stop discrimination or police violence or misconduct, worse than that it actually makes all of these things more difficult to accomplish without actually addressing them at all.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Tmethyl] * 1
    #26737011 - 06/11/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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We can't know how it would work if we don't try. :shrug:
I'm down for all experimentation.




    Like this has never happened anywhere on earth before ...
  You can have police or you can be taxed by a whichever criminal  gang kills off the other ones . There isn’t much else .


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Antigov]
    #26738181 - 06/11/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

These full fledged retards have another day before most are arrested.

Try this nonsense during trumps second term ans theyd see a firing squad.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: meltdowner] * 4
    #26738324 - 06/12/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So, you're in favor of the federal government usurping the authority of the states and executing people?


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: meltdowner] * 2
    #26738498 - 06/12/20 01:57 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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These full fledged retards have another day before most are arrested.

Try this nonsense during trumps second term ans theyd see a firing squad.





"full fledged retard"


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Antigov] * 1
    #26738507 - 06/12/20 02:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Antigov said:
What’s everyone thoughts, personally I think it’s an awesome experiment. Can there be law and order without a police presence, we shall see.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/seattle-autonomous-zone.html



SEATTLE — On the streets next to a police precinct in Seattle’s Capitol Hill neighborhood, protesters and officers spent a week locked in a nightly cycle of standoffs, at times ending with clouds of tear gas.

But facing a growing backlash over its dispersal tactics in the aftermath of George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis, the Seattle Police Department this week offered a concession: Officers would abandon their precinct, board up the windows and let the protesters have free rein outside.

In a neighborhood that is the heart of the city’s art and culture — threatened these days as rising tech wealth brings in gentrification — protesters seized the moment. They reversed the barricades to shield the liberated streets and laid claim to several city blocks, now known as the “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.”




Can there be law and order without a police presence?
IDK
But we didn't have law and order before either.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26738564 - 06/12/20 02:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Brian Jones said:
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Antigov said:
What’s everyone thoughts, personally I think it’s an awesome experiment. Can there be law and order without a police presence, we shall see.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/seattle-autonomous-zone.html



SEATTLE — On the streets next to a police precinct in Seattle’s Capitol Hill neighborhood, protesters and officers spent a week locked in a nightly cycle of standoffs, at times ending with clouds of tear gas.

But facing a growing backlash over its dispersal tactics in the aftermath of George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis, the Seattle Police Department this week offered a concession: Officers would abandon their precinct, board up the windows and let the protesters have free rein outside.

In a neighborhood that is the heart of the city’s art and culture — threatened these days as rising tech wealth brings in gentrification — protesters seized the moment. They reversed the barricades to shield the liberated streets and laid claim to several city blocks, now known as the “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.”




Can there be law and order without a police presence?
IDK
But we didn't have law and order before either.



Without law and order the strong would dominate the weak


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
    #26738674 - 06/12/20 05:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

With law and order the rich control everything.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26738677 - 06/12/20 05:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thats not really true weve seen it so many times in our history the bullshit only flies so far and eventually people change laws and do the right thing.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #26738740 - 06/12/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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This is wildly misguided and will only hurt themselves and their cause in the long run. The rule of law is one of the most beautiful and important things we have in the US. It is one of the things that separates us from tyrannical and corrupt third world countries



Why is it that people who have been talking about tyranny for years can’t recognize it when it’s staring us in the face?

Hint: THIS IS WHAT TYRANNY LOOKS LIKE:



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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: meltdowner] * 1
    #26738742 - 06/12/20 05:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This is what tyranny looks like:

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meltdowner said:
These full fledged retards have another day before most are arrested.

Try this nonsense during trumps second term ans theyd see a firing squad.




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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: koods]
    #26738856 - 06/12/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think it’s a eat idea - so long as we remember Seattle is far from representative of the rest of the country.

Regardless, I’m curious to how such a thing turns out after a few years.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: koods] * 1
    #26739159 - 06/12/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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This is wildly misguided and will only hurt themselves and their cause in the long run. The rule of law is one of the most beautiful and important things we have in the US. It is one of the things that separates us from tyrannical and corrupt third world countries



Why is it that people who have been talking about tyranny for years can’t recognize it when it’s staring us in the face?

Hint: THIS IS WHAT TYRANNY LOOKS LIKE:






Bicycle cops with batons?

Tyranny is more soldiers shooting citizens with machine guns while riding armored vehicules.

Don't disrespect those who truly live in tyranny with a picture of cyclists with sticks


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Patlal] * 4
    #26739239 - 06/12/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Funny how it’s tyranny when it happens in Hong Kong

Here’s the definition since English isn’t your first language:

Tyranny
cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.

Nothing about machine guns. You should watch the police brutality super cuts and tell me what you see doesn’t fit that definition to a t


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: koods] * 3
    #26739258 - 06/12/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Nothing could possibly be more damaging and more dangerous than opposing the rule of law




Until the cops are subject to the rule of law, fuck it


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: koods]
    #26740290 - 06/12/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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koods said:
Funny how it’s tyranny when it happens in Hong Kong

Here’s the definition since English isn’t your first language:

Tyranny
cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.

Nothing about machine guns. You should watch the police brutality super cuts and tell me what you see doesn’t fit that definition to a t





Plato and Aristotle defined a tyrant as a person who rules without law, using extreme and cruel methods against both his own people and others
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koods said:
Funny how it’s tyranny when it happens in Hong Kong

Here’s the definition since English isn’t your first language:

Tyranny
cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.

Nothing about machine guns. You should watch the police brutality super cuts and tell me what you see doesn’t fit that definition to a t




Tyranny
cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control

As practiced for centuries, all tyrants have:

- Used the army to create check points all throughout the country.
- Disperse group gatherings through force if necessary.
- Knocked on doors to search homes.
- Imprisoned dissidents.
- Violently suppressed revolts.
- Demanded total compliance of the populace.

Try and tell me that this is what's happening in the US right now.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #26740300 - 06/12/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ok do u want me to go line by line?


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26740327 - 06/12/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Ok do u want me to go line by line?




Well, the simple fact that you asked instead of answering....


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Patlal]
    #26740352 - 06/12/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

How much time u got bud?


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Antigov] * 1
    #26740490 - 06/12/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Fuck ya Seattle. Thats how u do it baby!

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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26740766 - 06/12/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

globalism has absolutely failed.
its only logical to take territory off idiots and losers.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: panne cyanne] * 1
    #26741946 - 06/13/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Our state run fake news network .

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Fox News published digitally altered and misleading photos on stories about Seattle’s Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) in what photojournalism experts called a clear violation of ethical standards for news organizations.

As part of a package of stories Friday about the zone, where demonstrators have taken over several city blocks on Capitol Hill after Seattle police abandoned the East Precinct, Fox’s website for much of the day featured a photo of a man standing with a military-style rifle in front of what appeared to be a smashed retail storefront.




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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: meltdowner]
    #26742109 - 06/13/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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meltdowner said:
These full fledged retards have another day before most are arrested.

Try this nonsense during trumps second term ans theyd see a firing squad.




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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 1
    #26742758 - 06/13/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Any news on the anarchy and chaos?
I saw a few impromptu music festivals in the streets of Seattle yesterday. :awesomenod:
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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Tmethyl]
    #26742838 - 06/13/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I was thinking of driving over there. Its a bit of a drive would be an awesome experience. I imagine its a peacful paradise and not a Chaotic warzone like people imagine it would be.

Could be the:


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: Antigov] * 1
    #26748014 - 06/16/20 12:47 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Very relevant article: This Is Anarchy - Eight Ways the Black Lives Matter and Justice for George Floyd Uprisings Reflect Anarchist Ideas in Action

Most people's idea of what anarchy is comes from the lies told by state officials frightened of an existential threat to their power.

If you have the ability to visit, I highly encourage you take the opportunity to experience what anarchy actually looks like - you'll find it's a lot less chaotic than you've been led to believe.

It's inevitable that the police will eventually try to move back in and history has shown that these autonomous zones won't necessarily survive that - but many have managed to hold out for decades and provide lessons for those of us following in their steps. You can start here if you wish to begin learning from the past: Reflections on the ZAD


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26750706 - 06/17/20 04:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So is this Seattle CHAX the first of its kind? Has there been a cop-free zone in the US before? I wonder how long an Automonous Zone can last without conflict within it....


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26751081 - 06/17/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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So is this Seattle CHAX the first of its kind? Has there been a cop-free zone in the US before? I wonder how long an Automonous Zone can last without conflict within it....




A few minutes usually.

https://summit.news/2020/06/15/chaz-occupier-suggests-rounding-up-all-the-white-people-into-work-brigades/

They quickly become the very thing they despise. These people are incapable of handling even the slightest faction of power without abusing it.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: qman] * 1
    #26751137 - 06/17/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It was a comment on an online forum. People say crazy shit all the time.

Meanwhile at a statue protest in New Mexico, armed militia showed up and four people got shot


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: koods]
    #26751200 - 06/17/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Imagine if this website was quoted by a news agency. Yikes. It's retarded to act like a sub-reddit is worth quoting in the first place, the website literally thrives off imaginary points, and people will say just about anything to get those imaginary points. Then to draw conclusions from those comments, no way.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: christopera]
    #26751692 - 06/17/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I want to see pictures of the gardens.


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Re: Will there be anarchy? We will see. Seattle has an Autonomous Zone [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26752754 - 06/17/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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So is this Seattle CHAX the first of its kind? Has there been a cop-free zone in the US before? I wonder how long an Automonous Zone can last without conflict within it....




Well, this would be best described as a Temporary Autonomous Zone, and I can't think of one that has announced itself as explicitly off the top of my head.

The concept of the T.A.Z. was born in 1991. The name derived from a book by controversial anarchist philosopher Hakim Bey, who proposed that we need to create areas outside of formal state control the way that a group of guerilla fighters might: Build it, dismantle it, move on to the next thing, and keep learning from the example.

It's obviously changed alot from its original incarnation, but the Burning Man festival was one of the first to adopt the T.A.Z. idea.

Seattle had a short-lived T.A.Z. during the 1999 WTO protests.

The Occupy movement often included establishing a T.A.Z. but this varied between cities.

That gives you an idea of the spectrum they can run, from festival to militant atmospheres. And just like any human organization, there is bound to be interpersonal conflict - the differences lie in how we respond to the conflict. The best way to get a better understanding is to get out there personally.



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    #26762022 - 06/21/20 01:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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It was a comment on an online forum. People say crazy shit all the time.

Meanwhile at a statue protest in New Mexico, armed militia showed up and four people got shot




Actually, one man was shot by a man who did not belong to the militia group.

Shooting charge has since been dropped as it was a clear case of self-defense.

We won't put up with the bullshit here in Albuquerque.

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    #26776402 - 06/23/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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So is this Seattle CHAX the first of its kind? Has there been a cop-free zone in the US before? I wonder how long an Automonous Zone can last without conflict within it....




About two weeks .

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Early Saturday morning, a 19-year-old was killed and a 33-year-old was injured in a shooting, overshadowing a joyous Juneteenth celebration and protest. Best said that a “hostile” crowd prevented police from reaching the victims, who were transported to the hospital in private vehicles. On Sunday night, gunfire broke out again in CHOP, injuring another  s




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It was a comment on an online forum. People say crazy shit all the time.

Meanwhile at a statue protest in New Mexico, armed militia showed up and four people got shot




Actually, one man was shot by a man who did not belong to the militia group.

Shooting charge has since been dropped as it was a clear case of self-defense.

We won't put up with the bullshit here in Albuquerque.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/charge-dropped-against-suspected-shooter-of-new-mexico-statue-protester/ar-BB15Fzrb




A guy who brought a gun to a protest and then shot multiple people was let go. Sounds like putting up with bullshit is exactly what you do. Fucking ridululous. No wonder this country is going into the shitter.

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    #26776462 - 06/23/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Sue him for defending himself? Oh thats right you think everyone holding a gun is instantly a criminal got it.


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    #26776494 - 06/23/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah well it implies some kind of wrongdoing. You think the cops just let him go for no reason in this political climate? If anything the family needs to becareful what they say to the media or they'll lose thier kid and thier shirt like tryvonn Martians family :facepalm:


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    #26776499 - 06/23/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

OJ was acquitted criminally and held liable civilly.  The standard of proof is lower in civil court.  Just because someone wasn't charged doesn't mean they can't be found liable civilly.


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    #26776507 - 06/23/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Liable for what? For the death in the skateboard attack as the gentleman was attempting to flee or whatever happened? Yah like I said they better becareful. I would slap everyone involved silly they would wake up with so many lawsuits crammed up thier ass thier head would explode. U cant attack a man then destroy his life in the media over your own racism.


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Sue him for defending himself? Oh thats right you think everyone holding a gun is instantly a criminal got it.




Some of the people shot were bystanders who just happened to get in the way of a bullet he chose to fire from his gun. He is responsible for his own actions.


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    #26776550 - 06/23/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No hes actually not liable for that at all the man who attacked him is at fault for that sue them or the estate if the guys died or whatever. Sue everyone


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    #26776650 - 06/23/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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No hes actually not liable for that at all the man who attacked him is at fault for that sue them or the estate if the guys died or whatever. Sue everyone



I don't know where you went to law school, counselor, but he is almost certainly liable for any bystander shot.  Firing a round in a manner that it will hit an innocent bystander is the very definition of negligence.


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OJ was acquitted criminally and held liable civilly.  The standard of proof is lower in civil court.  Just because someone wasn't charged doesn't mean they can't be found liable civilly.




I sat on a civil jury in DC. Woman wanted pain and suffering damages because she claimed to have been injured in a car accident despite declining a medical evaluation at the time of the accident. She was also pregnant at the time of the accident. Most of the jury just wanted to throw money at her, and we awarded her a couple thousand dollars. I voted against awarding her any money, but civil trials (at least in DC) only require a majority vote not a unanimous one and there were seven of us, not 12. The defendant didn’t even show up for the trial. He just sent his lawyer and I’m pretty sure that didn’t help his case, even if the judge told us we couldn’t factor that into the decision.


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    #26776763 - 06/23/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Its transfered intent are u serious? The aggressor intended to attack and harm the victim which resulted in the shooting of a bystander. I mean thats just the facts of reality and the facts of law. Ur living on another planet.


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    #26776967 - 06/23/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I would think even the guy who attacked him and was the intended target of the shooting could win a lawsuit with a good lawyer.

That kind of shit happens a lot with the police. The cops actions are deemed legally justifiable but the victims still manage to sue and win.


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    #26777036 - 06/23/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yah cus u guys know all the facts the case right. Thye just dropped the charges for nothing


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    #26777060 - 06/23/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I hadn’t heard anything about it since the day it happened. They took a bunch of people to the hospital but apparently only the one guy was shot. The shooter did not have a concealed carry permit and the prosecutors said he had gone to the protest looking for trouble so I have no idea why charges were dropped. white privelege


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    #26778145 - 06/23/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I hadn’t heard anything about it since the day it happened. They took a bunch of people to the hospital but apparently only the one guy was shot. The shooter did not have a concealed carry permit and the prosecutors said he had gone to the protest looking for trouble so I have no idea why charges were dropped. white privelege




Ray Baca is his name. What makes you assume he's white? And the recipient of some kind of privilege?

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    #26778152 - 06/23/20 11:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baca_family_of_New_Mexico

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    #26778158 - 06/23/20 11:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone with the middle name of Ray is white and likely a serial killer

Seriously tho there’s plenty of video of him


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    #26778172 - 06/23/20 11:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

He was retreating from multiple attackers, one of which was wielding a skateboard, and at least one of them was screaming that he was going to kill Baca. That's all very clear in the videos.

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    #26778487 - 06/24/20 06:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

We only hate certain ones. Certain black people too.


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    #26778844 - 06/24/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Suggesting that white people can be treated with more deference by the justice system or in general is not an implication that white people are bad. I honestly don’t know if some people are just to stupid to comprehend the nuance of issues or just an unwillingness to do so.


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Can you describe these normal people in more detail?


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    #26780932 - 06/25/20 01:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So much for small government. Does trumps dick taste that good?

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OK. "He" was you.


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