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Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately:
#26736775 - 06/11/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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We would strongly advocate for and support immediate federal drug legalization/decriminalization as one of the primary aims of the protests for change, and expectations of address at every upcoming election.
Think about this-- it would be a real method of acknowledging a grievous social wrong that has been used as a method of perpetual, institutional race warfare for nearly a century in the US. It would acknowledge the systemic racism (by acquiescence to it despite clear evidence it is predatory, unjust, and ineffective) by every member of our voting public for decades by withdrawing this race weapon and admitting as a nation/people that it was always aimed primarily at black populations to control and cripple them.
Q: What's the one overwhelmingly used tool/bludgeon/excuse to harass used by every LE agency against black communities and individuals? A: Antiquated Drug Laws.
Q: What's the one thing that foments an overwhelming portion of violence in heavily black communities, leading to discrimination and racist stereotyping? A: Gangs/individuals involved in the "illegal drug trade".
Q: What's the one tangible, actionable, and immediately attainable issue that already has strong national support of all races and income groups? A: Decriminalization and reform of drug "offenses" to reflect current scientific and on-the-ground realities.
From the NAACP website:
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Incarceration Trends in America
Between 1980 and 2015, the number of people incarcerated in America increased from roughly 500,000 to over 2.2 million. Today, the United States makes up about 5% of the world’s population and has 21% of the world’s prisoners. 1 in every 37 adults in the United States, or 2.7% of the adult population, is under some form of correctional supervision.
CJ_StopFriskRacial Disparities in Incarceration
In 2014, African Americans constituted 2.3 million, or 34%, of the total 6.8 million correctional population. African Americans are incarcerated at more than 5 times the rate of whites. The imprisonment rate for African American women is twice that of white women. Nationwide, African American children represent 32% of children who are arrested, 42% of children who are detained, and 52% of children whose cases are judicially waived to criminal court. Though African Americans and Hispanics make up approximately 32% of the US population, they comprised 56% of all incarcerated people in 2015. If African Americans and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rates as whites, prison and jail populations would decline by almost 40%.
Drug Sentencing Disparities
In the 2015 National Survey on Drug Use and Health, about 17 million whites and 4 million African Americans reported having used an illicit drug within the last month. African Americans and whites use drugs at similar rates, but the imprisonment rate of African Americans for drug charges is almost 6 times that of whites. African Americans represent 12.5% of illicit drug users, but 29% of those arrested for drug offenses and 33% of those incarcerated in state facilities for drug offenses.
Effects of Incarceration
A criminal record can reduce the likelihood of a callback or job offer by nearly 50 percent. The negative impact of a criminal record is twice as large for African American applicants. Infectious diseases are highly concentrated in corrections facilities: 15% of jail inmates and 22% of prisoners – compared to 5% of the general population – reported ever having tuberculosis, Hepatitis B and C, HIV/AIDS, or other STDs. In 2012 alone, the United States spent nearly $81 billion on corrections. Spending on prisons and jails has increased at triple the rate of spending on Pre‐K‐12 public education in the last thirty years.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: coAsTal] 2
#26736827 - 06/11/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you don't think the BLM movement hasn't been infiltrated a long time ago, I have so bridges for sale. BLM is NOT going to demand drug law reform, NOT gonna happen.
The Elite control one of the key resources in the globe, and that resource happens to be illegal drugs. The prohibition of those drugs is what gives it value.
The war on drugs is about giving the drugs value and dominating the drug trade. It also enables The Elite to control the general population and violate civil rights on a daily basis.
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#26736841 - 06/11/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I remember one time I got confronted by a cop and he found drugs on me. He said "I'll just let you go, you're white like me!"
Just kidding. I got arrested too.
Let's talk about the massive murder and assault rates in the black community, including those not even related to drugs. Or how they commit 90% of the hate crimes between blacks and whites, not to mention their hate crimes against everyone else that exceed any that are committed against them. They have more police encounters for a reason.
BLM doesn't want what's good for the black community because if there were no issues, they'd cease to exist and they won't get their money. That's why they ignore statistics, or leave out enough important details to be able to pin the blame on others.
BLM can suck it. They're the kind of group that would label a white guy a supremacist just for accidentally hitting some idiot who walked into the middle of the street, even after the man tried to miss. Like they did just a few days ago.
They aren't the only one to be victims of shitty police. They're just the only ones who get the national coverage for it.
This is all coming from someone who actually grew up in a predominantly black area for half his life by the way.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: qman]
#26736847 - 06/11/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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All the more reason for a popular movement surrounding all this publicity to make this a main "tentpole" issue -- if it were part of the discussion by the famous mouthpieces, talk shows, "influencers" then the politicians would have to answer to it. I agree with you that the reasons for the illegality are ultimately for the benefit of a few up top to get the billions out of it-- but it's hard to deny that eradicating that from their pockets isn't a positive in and of itself.
But again-- it would overwhelmingly benefit black communities, because they are affected in the most numerous and negative ways by the laws.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: coAsTal]
#26736852 - 06/11/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Eminence, this would of course benefit all of the millions of people unjustly assaulted by these corrupt laws, making it a win/win for all sides.
But I think the social justice advocates would agree that it would benefit black communities at a higher level because they are far more likely to be affected by it (statistically)
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#26736860 - 06/11/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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#26736918 - 06/11/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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coAsTal said: Eminence, this would of course benefit all of the millions of people unjustly assaulted by these corrupt laws, making it a win/win for all sides.
But I think the social justice advocates would agree that it would benefit black communities at a higher level because they are far more likely to be affected by it (statistically)
But the movement is about racial exclusivity and that's why it hasn't had any impact at all. As soon as you minimize the impact of unjust drugs laws and police brutality on the white population, you just lost the very demographic that can create real change.
The Elite love the racial division on a non-racial issue (corrupt criminal justice system), it makes their ability to maintain power than much easier.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: qman]
#26736944 - 06/11/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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qman said: But the movement is about racial exclusivity and that's why it hasn't had any impact at all. As soon as you minimize the impact of unjust drugs laws and police brutality on the white population, you just lost the very demographic that can create real change.
I agree that the "point" of the movement presently seems to have no actionable message other than to demonize white culture, condemn mistreatment, and tear things apart. But why does that mean we can't/shouldn't help to focus that inchoate anger towards actionable things that would demonstrably help real people, right away?
I guess that's my position here-- instead of empty anger for anger's sake (that is always toyed with and re-directed by mass media into impotent and unproductive areas), apply the anger towards actual justice and positive action. It doesn't matter if one agrees with the motive behind the anger-- it's not my place to question black culture. What matters is that it can be used to implement positive social changes that help to eliminate a primary cause of it. That's a good thing for everyone.
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qman said: The Elite love the racial division on a non-racial issue (corrupt criminal justice system), it makes their ability to maintain power than much easier.
Yes, and putting a 100,000 watt BLM-type spotlight on the racial disparity of these flagrantly unjust drug laws would be like forcing that elite to drink piss in public if they tried to deny the numbers and facts listed in my OP. It would not stand up to scrutiny if it had the bullhorn of the present agitated masses and celebrities calling attention to it. I really think they could force change via popular action-- heck, weed's already legal in 23 states (or more depending on how you count it). What better time?
The support is there-- all that's lacking is the volume level of the support behind the cause. I think it would be a masterful move by the people organizing (or just passively/morally supporting) the BLM (and similar) movements to wrench the drug club out of the elite's hands in broad daylight and burn it forever.
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#26738184 - 06/11/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Systematic racism doesnt exist. Just another buzzword for the ages.
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#26738271 - 06/11/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Only by denying statistical reality can one believe systemic racism doesn't exist.
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#26738297 - 06/12/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree that the "point" of the movement presently seems to have no actionable message other than to demonize white culture, condemn mistreatment, and tear things apart.
Seriously? Have you been to one of their protests? Have you ever listened to a speaker? Their message is actually pretty fucking simple. They demonize the racism AND brutality of police, not white culture. It’s police culture. Where do you even get that it’s about white people? Most of the protesters are white.
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: koods] 1
#26738339 - 06/12/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I’m sure most BLM activists agree the drug laws need to change, but their focus is on reforming the structural and cultural problems that exist in police departments and justice systems. There are other organizations that focus on legalization. There are other groups that focus on gang and inner city violence. If they start demanding legalization then that takes attention away from efforts to reform the police. There’s nothing wrong with staying focused on a goal.
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#26738357 - 06/12/20 12:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I remember one time I got confronted by a cop and he found drugs on me. He said "I'll just let you go, you're white like me!"
Just kidding. I got arrested too.
So what? Are you really trying to make the argument that because a white person was arrested for drugs, that there’s no problem with policing and the justice system?
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Let's talk about the massive murder and assault rates in the black community, including those not even related to drugs. Or how they commit 90% of the hate crimes between blacks and whites, not to mention their hate crimes against everyone else that exceed any that are committed against them.
Why? BLM is concerned with reforming the police, not the black community. If you’d like to form an organization to reform black communities, then go ahead, but there are plenty of them already.
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#26738370 - 06/12/20 12:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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meltdowner said: Systematic racism doesnt exist. Just another buzzword for the ages.
That’s two words
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Re: Argument: If we are serious about protecting/improving Black Lives from predatory police and systemic racism immediately: [Re: Enlil]
#26738376 - 06/12/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Only by denying statistical reality can one believe systemic racism doesn't exist.
That's why people who express racist views are named and shamed and fired from their jobs If anything that's anti systemic racism
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#26738385 - 06/12/20 12:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Most racists don't openly admit they're racist. I don't see how anything you said has anything to do with systemic racism.
Systemic racism is why people of color routinely get more time than white people for the same conviction. It's why a resume with an ethnic sounding name gets rejected while an identical resume with a white sounding name gets an interview. It's why you get handcuffed and thrown in the back of a police cruiser when you're pulled over in Watts, but you don't even have to exit your vehicle in Brentwood.
Systemic racism is so pervasive that we can see it in hundreds of ways if we're only willing to look.
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#26738406 - 06/12/20 01:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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A cops calling someone a nigger isn’t systemic racism, it’s personal racism , and firing that person doesn’t fix the systemic racism.
Systemic racism is when 60 percent of your traffic stops are black people when only 20 percent of the population is black, even when the data demonstrate that white people were more likely to have illegal drugs or weapons when searched during stops.
Systemic racism is when black people use drugs at the same rate as whites, but are convicted of drug crimes four times as often.
Stop and frisk is systemic racism.
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#26738411 - 06/12/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe thats because of black crime rates.
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#26738425 - 06/12/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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And why do people demand BLM solve every issue within the black community but nobody is demanding NASCAR fix all the white people problems.
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#26738426 - 06/12/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Assuming you're correct, that's the very definition of systemic racism, dude.
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