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Cakes not pinning - weird looking?
#26736184 - 06/11/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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hey guys,
I've started my first grow in a long time and thought I'd give cakes and SGFC a try to get my feet wet back again. I've had success with PMP and especially monotubs in the past but never tried a SGFC. I've added these guys here to fruit 2 weeks ago and even though I'm not a cake connoisseur, I don't like their appearance (this blobbish myc popping out and the fact that they're not pinning). it seems to me that something is lacking. I did wait a week for consolidation before fruiting them. what do you guys think? worth mentioning is that I don't really trust the hygrometer I've bought (8eur) so I went ahead and bought a humidifier to run in the room 24/7 - not pointing at the SGFC.
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Re: Cakes not pinning - weird looking? [Re: retarrrd]
#26736335 - 06/11/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe too humid? I’m not a cake masta but sometimes if conditions are too ideal I think the myc will just hang out or try to keep growing, maybe especially with BRF cakes since they’re so nutritious. You want a cycle of evaporation from the surface. Some dry times in between mistings until you coax out pins. Just an idea
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Re: Cakes not pinning - weird looking? [Re: retarrrd]
#26736344 - 06/11/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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They should have already started pinning weeks ago, or just days after being placed in FC if the environment is suitable for fruiting. But since it isn't they will most likely never produce a real flush until desirable climates emerge. My cakes always pin within days after going inside the FC but then again I don't use sgfc anymore I use Humidity Chamber or the Water Tub. Zero to minimal maintenence with those setups. I've fruited multiple flushes from some cakes without ever spraying them even once through the grow. Minimal chance of fucking anything up since you're not so much actively involved in fruiting the cakes and the setups themselves guaranteed won't fuck anything up, it's like nature, things run themselves.
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Roger Clemency said: Maybe too humid? I’m not a cake masta but sometimes if conditions are too ideal I think the myc will just hang out or try to keep growing, maybe especially with BRF cakes since they’re so nutritious. You want a cycle of evaporation from the surface. Some dry times in between mistings until you coax out pins. Just an idea
I believe that if the cake surface pores get damaged from drying out then the cake also loses its ability to effectively evaporate off moisture so that why I sometimes get i to heated debates cause some growers think I'm trolling when I say that a cake is too dry and too wet at the same time, but just look at these substrates, myc surface obviously is matted and not whispy/tomentose at all its all course and edgy, and at the same time they look drenched and unable to evaporate. Hard to describe whats really going on in these subs when they get like that but obviously if he stops misting they will bruise and if he keeps misting they will continue to look wet.
What I would recommend is to simply place the cakes in a 100% humidity environment for a 48h and you'll immediately see new growth regenerating on the surface, when you see the new growth has 'grabbed' the outer verm layer then increase FAE somewhat and notice how the regeneration stops within hours and in the coming days you start to see fruit formation. I've recommended this to a lot of growers but only one listened and did as I told him and it worked out exsctly like I said it would. But sometimes I get shit for 'promoting' my writeups to growers when I should instead either just shut up of give them tips on how to 'add more perlite' and such other nonsense. Like who honestly thinks that climate inside the SGFC will suddenly drastically change if the perlite depth goes from 3 to 4 inches or from 4 to 5? The BRF cake goes in a damn container, spray it down and keep minimal openings for FAE and you'll have fruits every time. And now I will begin to breathe.
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Re: Cakes not pinning - weird looking? [Re: Mateja]
#26736404 - 06/11/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lol. I know what you mean with the matted myc and the dry/wet conundrum. You don’t want to let them get too dry ever but some drying is aiight when you get the balance right.
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Re: Cakes not pinning - weird looking? [Re: Mateja]
#26736647 - 06/11/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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you know what? surprisingly I ended up reading your writeups a few hours before I posted this and I was very surprised by the results. I have some coir I bought to make the mono soon, but I still want to have a FC for cakes. I will hydrate the coir and throw these cakes in the coir in another tub using the humidity chamber method.  if it works, I'm not looking back.
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Re: Cakes not pinning - weird looking? [Re: retarrrd]
#26736662 - 06/11/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Or just use plain water as per the Water Tub Tek, it Work as effectively as the Humidity Chamber with the wet coir
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Re: Cakes not pinning - weird looking? [Re: Mateja]
#26736736 - 06/11/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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done. I have to say it feels very weird to be doing that but I just want them to pin
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Re: Cakes not pinning - weird looking? [Re: retarrrd]
#26736746 - 06/11/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also, the hygrometer only goes past 85% when I shove it into the humidifier's face. but I'll just take it as cheap shit and use it as a thermometer only
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Re: Cakes not pinning - weird looking? [Re: retarrrd]
#26736869 - 06/11/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't worry about the hygrometer, it won't tell you anything you need to know. And what a nice surprise to once again see someone give my methods a try lol, just don't mist ANYTHING for about 30-40h, andbin the meantime place the lid back on fully so there's no apparent FAE holes! After a couple of days increase the FAE by slightly opening up around the rim of the lid and give it ge te mist from high above if needed ut at most once a day no matter what your home environment is like
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Re: Cakes not pinning - weird looking? [Re: Mateja]
#26736919 - 06/11/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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alright alright alright! I'll keep you posted over here
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Re: Cakes not pinning - weird looking? [Re: retarrrd]
#26737361 - 06/11/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Very nice
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Re: Cakes not pinning - weird looking? [Re: Mateja]
#26737388 - 06/11/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey bud I had the same problem, I scratched my matted over top part down a bit to show a little healthier myc and then I increased FAE and now I got pinning 3 days later.
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Re: Cakes not pinning - weird looking? [Re: mrsmoxalot]
#26741010 - 06/13/20 03:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks man. did that as well 
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Re: Cakes not pinning - weird looking? [Re: Mateja]
#26741012 - 06/13/20 03:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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did that now. let's see
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Re: Cakes not pinning - weird looking? [Re: Mateja]
#26751776 - 06/17/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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hey Mateah,
so the pins have appeared 

I'm glad I've trusted your tek, but I have to say I was skeptical at first. now, however, I can't argue with the results. I'm just leaving the lid a bit open and misting twice a day, sometimes just once. great stuff! I wonder now, as I have other cakes fully colonized, would you add them to the same box as where these guys are, already with the lid a bit open?
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Re: Cakes not pinning - weird looking? [Re: retarrrd]
#26753352 - 06/18/20 04:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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retarrrd said: I wonder now, as I have other cakes fully colonized, would you add them to the same box as where these guys are, already with the lid a bit open?
Yeah I'm in the midst of analyssing that right but so far I've been coping with a 'trying to pin chamber' and a 'well into fruit production' one I don't think it's necessary tho I usually just stick them back in their original tub together with the rest and usually it works out just fine. They will eventually all at some point fall out of synch with each other in terms of pinning inbetween the flushes so just cram them in there and I guess tend to the needs of the cakes that are about to produce their first flush a tiny bit more than you would tent to the needs of the already producing cakes. But shall you notice skinny shrooms with small caps (indication they want more air) then you will have to increase FAE but of course keep an extra eye on the pinning cakes to make sure their surface conditions are on par. Always nice to see pinning cakes
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