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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: koods]
#26733702 - 06/10/20 07:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Customs and DEA should be re-appropriated to help addicts in facilities. Right after they get rid of those positions/jobs/functions that the DEA and customs do. The facilities should be bought and paid for by the millionaires/billionaires as well.
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26735729 - 06/10/20 11:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: The DEA and the Police are basically the same thing. DEA is just specialized cops basically. Yes, they are a seperate branch but its all part of the same "Enforcement" Police State.
Since Police are KILLING people, defunding or better yet Decommissioning the Police Force is top priority for me.
People kill people more often then police kill people fersure. I don't think you want to see what it'd be like without police. If you're not protesting the changing of specific codes or saying EXACTLY who'd get the money and how that would reduce crime or injustice from defunding police. Otherwise you're talking about revenge not justice against cops. We are oppressed so now we should oppress you? You can't tell me cops are worse then murderers,child rapists, domestic violence it's all not going to go away so how do you solve it? If you don't have an answer you might be destroying society with no real plan to rebuild it.
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split_by_nine said: thats insane. that story made me sick to my stomach. but im not surprised. cops get away with murder, even if its caught on film.
and fuck.. this happened 3 years ago?? a bad cop is one thing, but this is way beyond that. words cant descrive how evil those two men are. and i hate calling them men because men they certainly are not.
Yeah, it is just sick killers in the police force have the system on their side and that can be explained away by them needing to fight killers
but even rapists? under what circumstances should a cop providing a claim of consent override the victims statement of non-consent and how could it ever be considered beneficial to law and justice to allow police to have sex with people they have arrested to begin with
let alone in a majority of the States, rather than an obscure handful
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Seriously_trippin said: ...You can't tell me cops are worse then...domestic violence...
back in the 90s they were worse for domestic violence than the general population
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Two studies have found that at least 40% of police officer families experience domestic violence, (1, 2) in contrast to 10% of families in the general population.(3) A third study of older and more experienced officers found a rate of 24% (4), indicating that domestic violence is 2-4 times more common among police families than American families in general.
http://womenandpolicing.com/violenceFS.asp
but apparently nowadays it is more difficult to perform such studies to see what current rates compare at, and am not able to find any real recent data
wonder if it is higher, lower, or about the same
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: Tantrika]
#26735792 - 06/10/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tantrika said:
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Seriously_trippin said: ...You can't tell me cops are worse then...domestic violence...
back in the 90s they were worse for domestic violence than the general population
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Two studies have found that at least 40% of police officer families experience domestic violence, (1, 2) in contrast to 10% of families in the general population.(3) A third study of older and more experienced officers found a rate of 24% (4), indicating that domestic violence is 2-4 times more common among police families than American families in general.
http://womenandpolicing.com/violenceFS.asp
but apparently nowadays it is more difficult to perform such studies to see what current rates compare at, and am not able to find any real recent data
wonder if it is higher, lower, or about the same

Okay do you think domestic violence,rape,murder,theft and all the other crimes committed by the real hardened criminals surpass police violence alone?
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Seriously_trippin said:
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Tantrika said:
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Seriously_trippin said: ...You can't tell me cops are worse then...domestic violence...
back in the 90s they were worse for domestic violence than the general population
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Two studies have found that at least 40% of police officer families experience domestic violence, (1, 2) in contrast to 10% of families in the general population.(3) A third study of older and more experienced officers found a rate of 24% (4), indicating that domestic violence is 2-4 times more common among police families than American families in general.
http://womenandpolicing.com/violenceFS.asp
but apparently nowadays it is more difficult to perform such studies to see what current rates compare at, and am not able to find any real recent data
wonder if it is higher, lower, or about the same

Okay do you think domestic violence,rape,murder,theft and all the other crimes committed by the real hardened criminals surpass police violence alone?
False dichotomy -- there are plenty of real hardened criminals in the police forces; George Floyd was not that cops first kill, and without citizen intervention it would not have been his last
Think that real hardened criminals should be punished including the ones in the police rather than a particular gang of them them having legal protections to drive around taking turns raping a woman before they go home and beat their wife and kids
how about you?
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: Tantrika]
#26735835 - 06/11/20 12:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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You say you want real criminals punished. How exactly do you catch these criminals without firepower that equals theirs? Serious question. There's no question police need to be better vetted,better trained and disciplined stricter but all of that will NEVER happen if we say we want the system to change and also want to fire officers and take their guns away. We can't have our cake and eat it to with this one. You either deal with emboldened criminals or settle for meaningful policy changes that would actually solve problems instead of using it as revenge
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Seriously_trippin said: You say you want real criminals punished. How exactly do you catch these criminals without firepower that equals theirs? Serious question.
Good point George Floyd's killer was from a highly militarized and organized gang think the best solution is for citizens to have more free access to more powerful firearms or replace the whole corrupt system with something fresh and better regulated
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Seriously_trippin said: There's no question police need to be better vetted,better trained and disciplined stricter but all of that will NEVER happen if we say we want the system to change and also want to fire officers and take their guns away. We can't have our cake and eat it to with this one. You either deal with emboldened criminals or settle for meaningful policy changes that would actually solve problems instead of using it as revenge
What meaningful policy changes would you suggest to end an arms race with citizens where a particular gang has access to military-grade tech and the freedom to flout laws
the police system needs such sweeping and substantial changes as to make the prospect of defunding them and starting from scratch easier and more efficient
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: Tantrika]
#26735867 - 06/11/20 01:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well Chauvin had 12 complaints and was disciplined twice,he was also trained to put his knee in that area because they have shit training. Then they could come up with mandatory stress tests for field officer. There's policy changes that could effect policing in a positive way
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Seriously_trippin said: Well Chauvin had 12 complaints and was disciplined twice,he was also trained to put his knee in that area because they have shit training. Then they could come up with mandatory stress tests for field officer. There's policy changes that could effect policing in a positive way
the goal of changing things in a positive way is a good one
but how long do you think it will take pass each policy change, let alone get through all by slowly going through one after another
something about needing a full engine rebuild rather than a series of tune ups I can't remember how that goes
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: Tantrika]
#26735915 - 06/11/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tantrika said:
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Seriously_trippin said: Well Chauvin had 12 complaints and was disciplined twice,he was also trained to put his knee in that area because they have shit training. Then they could come up with mandatory stress tests for field officer. There's policy changes that could effect policing in a positive way
the goal of changing things in a positive way is a good one
but how long do you think it will take pass each policy change, let alone get through all by slowly going through one after another
something about needing a full engine rebuild rather than a series of tune ups I can't remember how that goes 
What's the alternative path to real change?
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Seriously_trippin said:
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Tantrika said:
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Seriously_trippin said: Well Chauvin had 12 complaints and was disciplined twice,he was also trained to put his knee in that area because they have shit training. Then they could come up with mandatory stress tests for field officer. There's policy changes that could effect policing in a positive way
the goal of changing things in a positive way is a good one
but how long do you think it will take pass each policy change, let alone get through all by slowly going through one after another
something about needing a full engine rebuild rather than a series of tune ups I can't remember how that goes 
What's the alternative path to real change?
trying to do it bit by bit and policy by policy
you have two paths, one that will invoke real change through a complete overhaul and an alternative that will take you nowhere
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: Tantrika] 3
#26736054 - 06/11/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why the hell would you dumbasses wanna defund the police? How are they supposed to make hits like this without being funded? Smh
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Re: defund the police. [Re: Tantrika]
#26736055 - 06/11/20 05:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lefties in the UK have just started banging on about defunding the police, after 10 years of banging on about the Tories not funding the police enough fuckin clowns
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: Niffla] 1
#26736092 - 06/11/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Niffla said: Why the hell would you dumbasses wanna defund the police? How are they supposed to make hits like this without being funded? Smh
you always find a way to make us smile Niffla
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: Niffla] 1
#26736171 - 06/11/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good one, damnit! I was gonna do it.
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26737023 - 06/11/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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During George Floyd protests, 13 Chicago cops lounged in a congressman's office and ate his popcorn
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U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Illinois, announced in a press conference Thursday that several officers were caught on videotape in his campaign office on the South Side.
The office had been burglarized amid looting earlier in the day, and the videotape of the officers picked up around 1 a.m. on June 1. About 13 officers were lounging in the office, including three supervisors and 10 other officers, for four or five hours, Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot said.
"They even had the unmitigated gall to go and make coffee for themselves and pop popcorn, my popcorn, in my microwave, while looters were tearing apart businesses within their sight, within their reach," Rush said. "They did not care about what was happening to business people, to this city. They didn’t care. They absolutely didn’t care."
aren't we happy our cops are paid to rest and relax during these turbulent times 
source: usa today
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: split_by_nine]
#26737028 - 06/11/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's just the ones that were caught, think about all the other ones up to no good.
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26737032 - 06/11/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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think of all the kernels
i wonder what hes being extorted for
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