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OfflineLosTresOjos
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Re: How can you stand more? [Re: wolf8312]
    #26739600 - 06/12/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Wolf, absolutely agreed about the advice of others.

  The notion of people telling us to let go and they themselves have problems letting go is something I hope most people come to understand as they venture further down this road. Because it's not easy. Just because you are able to consume a drug doesn't mean that's all there is to it. There is very hard work to be done and it's really hard to convey the fact that all the tools we have to safeguard ourselves can be utter meaningless. It's a extremely fluid situation and are constantly learning from new experiences so I think the idea that anyone person has it down to a T is really foolish.


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Re: How can you stand more? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26739670 - 06/12/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think they reveal things for you to be aware of.

Keep the lesson of being in the moment and not labeling or over analyzing things in mind during your daily life. Eventually you’ll integrate it into yourself and it’ll be automatic.

Then next time you trip you can get past that to the next thing.

Much easier said than done, but that’s my experience with this type of thing. One of the biggest influences in my life was my first trip which was about letting go of things and not trying to control or get attached to them.


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Re: How can you stand more? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26739970 - 06/12/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, A.k.a, this is very true. Since that experience, I've looked at that aspect of myself. Mine isn't so much an issue of labelling or judging people, or holding on to problems, but it's usually a problem of being 'amazed' at everything all the time. "Isn't that amazing". And since that experience, I've definitely been working on that, and it's been a valuable lesson. I'm not sure if it will then let me past those gates though. Not sure I'll be able to take it if it hits me that hard again. We'll see.


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Re: How can you stand more? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26739997 - 06/12/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's been many years since I have been truly scared or unable to surrender during a trip. Plenty of problems with integration issues afterwards though.

The one seems to get easier over time while the other gets harder.


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Re: How can you stand more? [Re: Northerner]
    #26741752 - 06/13/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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That is a really great comment, and this is turning out to be a great thread. Yes, this exactly happened to me. It's certainly not about 'aborting' a trip. I guess it's all about how to take it, how to let allow that intensity to just happen. I was extremely deep in an ayahuasca experience that was just relentless, like facing a psychic flamethrower, and as it's happening, I'm sweating and starting to panic, and similarly, the more I'm trying to let go, the more I realize the 'trying' to let go is not letting go... I did have a conversation with myself, something along the lines of "hey ego, it's going to be OK. Just trust. Step aside and allow it to happen. Stop being amazed, stop everything and just trust".... I realized that this was, ultimately just a more... survivable way of hanging on, but it's all that I had at the time.

Ultimately, only thing to do is just swallow the fear and get back on the horse...




Yeah, I think sometimes just hanging on can be considered a success, and enough just to have made it through the experience without having been hospitalized or something! But is also why psychedelics can be so dangerous, and demoniacal at times.

In one Ayahuasca experience I encountered a delusion or vision that my own father had died, and for an hour or so was genuinely traumatized and afraid it had actually happened.

Even if it hadn't (I had enough experience with delusions at that point to be sceptical) actually happened, I was still contained within a reality in which one day soon, it would. The trip was mightily contaminated after that!

Such fears can manifest as actual realities sometimes and quite frankly I think it would have been an insult to my father to have tried to truly surrender to something like that in the duration of an Anahuasca experience!

It was success enough just to have got through the experience without completely having lost my shit!


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