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Making Coir-BRF cakes (grow along) 4
#26735678 - 06/10/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Where I live vermiculite costs much more than Coco coir so I make BRF cakes with coir instead of verm. The procedure and ratios are the same as with regular PF Tek BRF cakes, The only difference is I mix the BRF with hydrated coir instead of hydrated verm. I 'roll' (coat) the cakes in a thin layer of coir instead of verm after cakes have finished hydrating after birth. That's all. Cakes are fruited inside The Water Tub.
The Coir/BRF mix looks like this inside newly prepped jars

Cake colonizing
Time for birth
  
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Feel free to ask questions and to post updates on your own coir cakes here!
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja] 1
#26735691 - 06/10/20 10:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cool. Can you still boil it like the normal of tek? I'd think so. How's the performance? Or did you never use verm?
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja] 1
#26735693 - 06/10/20 10:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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way to think out of the box homie! very nice fruits
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Izzamagic] 2
#26735717 - 06/10/20 11:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Soccrates said: Cool. Can you still boil it like the normal of tek? I'd think so. How's the performance? Or did you never use verm?
I've done tons of regular PF Tek cakes, I've also experimented with oatmeal/verm cakes before and they also perform as well as regular PF Tek and these coir cakes 
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Izzamagic said: way to think out of the box homie! very nice fruits
I can't even find vermiculite where I live anymore, so I had no choice but to substitute it for coir  But anyway, I do like to experiment with substrates and fruiting setups. I got more recipes coming up. BRF is damn expensive too compared to other types of flour.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja] 1
#26735721 - 06/10/20 11:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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interesting
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: AtmozFear] 1
#26743669 - 06/14/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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At this point I'd say that coir cakes work as good as verm cakes from just the first few that I have fruited thus far. I'm convinced this is a successful recipe and probably won't be buying vermiculite ever again for me personally nothing will motivate me to buy verm cause it's harder to get ahold of and costs more, so it's not even a consideration.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja] 1
#26743701 - 06/14/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Actually, coir holds a lot of water. It seems like it would give better flushes with more water available. But, it should shrink more than verm cakes. That should be sweet for something like the chronic tek
Do you have a recipe?
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Soccrates] 1
#26743713 - 06/14/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Soccrates said: Do you have a recipe?
For these BRF coir cakes or something else?
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja] 1
#26743833 - 06/14/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you just shoot your cakes up with spore syringe or do you have a cleaned up culture?
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: redeyesmj] 1
#26744065 - 06/14/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Currently I have cakes made from LI, LC and Agar cultures. But I don't see why I wouldn't have high success rate with spores as well. There would be occasional lost cakes but the majority would work out just fine because cakes done correctly should be fairly to highly resistent to uncontrolled spreads of bacterial colonies.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja] 1
#26744090 - 06/14/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting that you use the same amount of water since coir absorbs like 5x its weight in water almos. So you are using just dry coir from a brick?
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: InnerWisdom] 1
#26744107 - 06/14/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hydrate 650g coir with 3L water and that's the coir that I use for the BRF mix.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja] 1
#26744147 - 06/14/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting! Marking this one, just in case Shoeboxes turn out to be too hard and I have to drop back to cakes.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja] 1
#26744169 - 06/14/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's what I thought too. Noobs will know now
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja] 1
#26745036 - 06/14/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Soccrates said: Do you have a recipe?
For these BRF coir cakes or something else?
For these. I guess you hydrate the coir and mix 2:1 with brf?
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Soccrates] 1
#26745044 - 06/14/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah hydrate coir to field capacity and mix 2 cups coir 1 cup brf.
Glad you finally made this post Mateah. I got pics and will upload soon.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Soccrates] 1
#26745902 - 06/15/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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always nice to see more growers experimenting
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Soccrates said: Do you have a recipe?
For these BRF coir cakes or something else?
For these. I guess you hydrate the coir and mix 2:1 with brf?
Yes just like it says in the OP
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja] 1
#26746035 - 06/15/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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always nice to see more growers experimenting
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Soccrates said:
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Mateah said:
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Soccrates said: Do you have a recipe?
For these BRF coir cakes or something else?
For these. I guess you hydrate the coir and mix 2:1 with brf?
Yes just like it says in the OP 
But to be fair, it's not the same as regular pf tek. Way more water. I was pretty much wondering if you used extra water to account for the brf taking moisture
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Soccrates] 1
#26746099 - 06/15/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oooh this is great! I'm going to run out of verm fairly soon, but I still have a massive stash of coir. Thanks for this!
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Soccrates] 1
#26746460 - 06/15/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It isn't really alot more moisture if you think about it. Because the coir is hydrated and enlarged it almost seems like it is alot more bRF, because the water is already in before you measure your ingredients. So 2 verm dry to 2 hydrated coir probably means less non nutrious substrate and more nutrient rich BRF because your doing 2 cups to 1 cup.
I hope that makes sense.
I guess another way of looking at it is bring a shit load of Vermiculite to field capacity and then measure 2 cups to 1 cup of BRF. But measure how much water you made field capacity with the Vermiculite I bet it is less than 1 cup.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja]
#26746643 - 06/15/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just ran out of verm, so I'll give this a shot next time I do cakes. Thanks, Mateah!
I'm in the middle of my first run with your HC tek, so hopefully that pans out and I never have to look back:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26746175/page/1
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Soccrates]
#26747217 - 06/15/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Soccrates said: But to be fair, it's not the same as regular pf tek. Way more water. I was pretty much wondering if you used extra water to account for the brf taking moisture
I don't know why coir cakes would contain "way more water" than verm cakes also I haven't checked that specifically so I don't know. Obviously two different materials won't have identical properties but I don't think those differences are significant in this case. To answer the second part of the post I didn't add any extra water, I've always done verm cakes the same way I do coir cakes now. I hydrate the verm/coir to field capacity and then mix with BRF. I don't really get the "account for BRF taking moisture" part sry. How did you make your Coir BRF mix?
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Marxcelium said: I just ran out of verm, so I'll give this a shot next time I do cakes. Thanks, Mateah!
I'm in the middle of my first run with your HC tek, so hopefully that pans out and I never have to look back:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26746175/page/1
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja]
#26747274 - 06/15/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I didn't make any. I wasn't trying to be a smartass either. But, expanded coir seems like it should have much more water per volume than vermiculite. I guess I haven't really measured to be certain.
And the rice is gonna absorb water, and thereby dry the coir. I was wondering if you added extra, or just normal field capacity.
I guess I'm just overthinking it. Sorry. I got it now, though
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Soccrates]
#26747340 - 06/15/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Soccrates said: I didn't make any. I wasn't trying to be a smartass either.
LOL I wasn't trying to be a smart ass either, I mistook you for Sockadin my bad (he's doing coir cakes that's why I asked how he made them) 
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But, expanded coir seems like it should have much more water per volume than vermiculite. I guess I haven't really measured to be certain.
And the rice is gonna absorb water, and thereby dry the coir. I was wondering if you added extra, or just normal field capacity.
I guess I'm just overthinking it. Sorry. I got it now, though
After I quick search I found someone mention that 16lbs (7.2kg) of vermiculite occupies 4 square feet (1.13m2 or 113L) 9% of 7200g=648g 9% of 113L=10.17L. So from 650g coir I get around 10L and 648g of dry vermiculite occupies 10.17L so these two products at least on paper seem to be very similar in water absorption.
Rice flour will definitely absorb water from hydrated verm or coir, otherwise myc would probably have a 'hard' time digesting it
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja]
#26785309 - 06/26/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Coming back from a cult hiatus & I saw this thread a few weeks back & thought it looked like a fun grow to try out.
Ten little coir cakes in the pc tonight.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: ttching8475]
#26801552 - 07/03/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: ttching8475]
#26801837 - 07/03/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I will inoculate ~50 of these tonight but this time I went for 1:1 recipe in the mixand, meaning equal parts hydrated coir to BRF. Wanna see if anything will differ.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja]
#26908012 - 08/30/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trying out one of my modified ziplocks as a mini HC.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: ttching8475]
#26908330 - 08/30/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yo that looks like one of my cakes lol *projecting expectations*
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja]
#26955792 - 09/26/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Coir cake vs coir cake spawned to coir.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: ttching8475]
#26955802 - 09/26/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is dope and a much cheaper solution than verm. Good shit Mateah.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: JHOVA]
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This is amazing! Not only is coir easier to get than verm (cheap and no online order neccesary) its also renewable, which verm isnt. Will never recommend it any other way from now on
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: ttching8475]
#26959885 - 09/29/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Coir cake vs coir cake spawned to coir.

Current progress

As expected, the cake spawned to coir yielded way less than a similar volume of grain spawn when fruited in the modified containers. The fruiting tendencies were also fairly similar to when I worked with the variety in 2018. A 2nd flush example from those grows:

The cake is taking longer to fruit but I think it will yield more and has some nice looking clone candidates. 

I want to try these cakes again, but with an LC next time.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: ttching8475]
#26959895 - 09/29/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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a few years ago, I started some coir PF-Tek jars with the intention of making a 'bulk pf-tek' writeup. my jars molded and I forgot about the project, but I think my issue was the LC used, not the approach itself. glad to see someone else taking a stab. maybe I'll try again with quart jars.
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Munchauzen]
#26960174 - 09/29/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Munch it can work. This guy used chopsticks/bamboo stick to create channels down the sides of his pint jars and shot his LC down them to get full colonization.

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#26960243 - 09/29/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Damn that is clever!
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Munchauzen]
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Just in time for the full moon.
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Munchauzen said: a few years ago, I started some coir PF-Tek jars with the intention of making a 'bulk pf-tek' writeup. my jars molded and I forgot about the project, but I think my issue was the LC used, not the approach itself. glad to see someone else taking a stab. maybe I'll try again with quart jars.

oh shit I apparently published this tek 
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24170838
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Re: Making Coir/BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Munchauzen]
#26967781 - 10/03/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I cloned one of the thick girls.
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Re: Making Coir-BRF cakes (grow along) [Re: Mateja]
#27216651 - 02/20/21 12:30 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just found your Tek just in time. You mentioned you were making a batch of 50 jars. How did it work? It would be great to see when it's working. As I am in the same situation that in my country Vermiculite is incredible expensive. I might still use it as contamination barrier. On the picture it looks like you left the lids completely open? correct? Any experience with spores? Because I would go that way.
Btw great thanks also for the Water Tub Tek. Was a great success for me.
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