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Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log * 1
    #2673554 - 05/13/04 12:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I will try and do my best to share my whole first experience growing Pan Cyans. I have grown P. Cubensis 3 times before and wanted to try some new, harder to grow, more potent species.
This is the print I used to prepare 2 10ml Syringes - ordered from Amsterdam:


I used normal birdseed, found in a petshop and soaked 1.5 kilos in tap water for 10.5 hours- rinsed properly and filled into 4 720ml jars




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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2673667 - 05/13/04 01:21 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Those are dark and heavy prints.


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: Transplant]
    #2673735 - 05/13/04 01:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Good luck.. I love lookin at these things


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2674445 - 05/13/04 03:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i love sucessfull pan. cyan logs. good luck, thanks for sharing!


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #2674497 - 05/13/04 04:02 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Pressure cooked the jars for 1.5 hours, first 10 minutes on high, then low heat and steady rocking sounds of the jars. Will let cool till the morning and then inject the spores. more photos to come!

btw. I am really excited too about all this  :grin:
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2674528 - 05/13/04 04:08 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

If my grow goes well I'll be looking to try my hand at pans. They contain some heavy teaching.  :mushroom2: :thumbup:

Good luck, this should be good :smile:


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #2677954 - 05/14/04 12:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I injected the two syringes this morning, divided almost equally over the 4 jars, with some (it looked a lot) spores remaining in the syringes. But I guess it should be enough to start something.
The only problem is I dont know if the seeds have enough moisture in them, because it's my first experience with them. They look moist enough but they sound somewhat dry when shaking the jars..does anyone know if this is normal?

The lids have small wholes in the middle to allow the needle to go in, taped close after the injection and double wrapped with aluminum-foil. Waiting in a cabinet in darkness.


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2679954 - 05/14/04 08:21 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

asking again, getting no response..  :confused:
is it normal that the birseed sounds dry when shaking but looks wet enough?


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2680204 - 05/14/04 09:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

looks good man

dont worry yet! :smile:

just be patient and it should be easy as pie...

what are you going to do with that spawn?  you should spawn it to some worm castings/vermiculite and straw.  then when you have a shitload of shrooms you can send me a print...  :wink:


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2682001 - 05/15/04 11:14 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: acidhead1279]
    #2682043 - 05/15/04 11:32 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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what are you going to do with that spawn?  you should spawn it to some worm castings/vermiculite and straw.




I will spawn it to some cow dung I collected from the field nearby, mixed with vermiculite and soaked grass seeds instead of straw (mushmush recommendation)
sending prints would be no problem, as long as I succeed  :wink:


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2685905 - 05/16/04 08:44 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

how long does it usually take for pan cyans to start colonizing the birdseed? any experience? pretty unpatient this time  :smoker: :grin:


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2689586 - 05/16/04 11:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

ive heard it takes longer but i dont have any personal experience yet either :frown:


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: acidhead1279]
    #2690748 - 05/17/04 10:39 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

day 3.5 now
still no sign of mycelium.but i guess i must have more patience  :eyeball:
btw the temerature is 74 degrees Fahrenheit (23 degr. celcius)


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2695122 - 05/18/04 06:29 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Finally! I looked really close at the jars and saw some tiny, light-white spots of mycelium!  :eyemouth: :heartpump:
will post photos tommorrow I guess. They are too small to see well.


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2696361 - 05/18/04 01:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Hehe, exciting that first glimpse of white on a new strain eh? I've just inoculated my own first GT grow. Keep the pics coming! :smile:


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: peachy]
    #2697496 - 05/18/04 04:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, exciting indeed! btw what is GT?


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2697752 - 05/18/04 05:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Golden teachers, that what im growing too. First grow for me, keep an eye out for the growlog.  :smile:


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: Treefiddy]
    #2699666 - 05/19/04 01:11 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I have heard the mycelium of pan cyans is not so strong as cubes. Is that true? Because when I compare the color of the myc, it is very weak and transparent..but maybe it is too early to say smthing.
Tried to make some pics but wasnt succesful bec of the smallness of the areas..will wait a day or two


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2701187 - 05/19/04 12:10 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I have heard the mycelium of pan cyans is not so strong as cubes. Is that true? Because when I compare the color of the myc, it is very weak and transparent..but maybe it is too early to say smthing.
Tried to make some pics but wasnt succesful bec of the smallness of the areas..will wait a day or two




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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2702279 - 05/19/04 04:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Pan mycelliun is a bit faster than cubies...good luck spawning it


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: OldSpice]
    #2702379 - 05/19/04 05:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

this is the first pic I got.. it is not so sharp, i know but better ones are to come tomorrow and on. the whitish areas is the mycelium of course, except the flash of the camera on the jar  :smirk:


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2702558 - 05/19/04 06:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

*hopes for no contams*

I gotta try to grow pan cyans some time..


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: Rebirtha]
    #2705242 - 05/20/04 10:57 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

here another pic from today..this is jar "1" and has the most mycelium so far. I cant make any pics that look sharp! damn! :sad:
but I think to people who have seen myc before it is recognizable enough..

(the white-horizontal stuff is paper from the pickle-brand btw.and the brightest spot in the middle is the flash.the rest is myc)


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2705465 - 05/20/04 11:53 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

if you take the pic at a more diagnol plane you wont get the flash bounce back effect you're getting now... i think I see myc now. How many days incubation?


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #2707121 - 05/20/04 04:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

tomorrow will be 7 days..
jar 1 has the most (the pic), then comes 4, 3, 2. Will make pics of them all soon. Will try to prevent the flash bounce back  :wink:


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2709933 - 05/21/04 03:24 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

this one better? dunno..


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2710062 - 05/21/04 05:17 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Wow the mycelium is very fine, it's clear it is mycelium but yeh very fine. I heard that it's not very aggressive and that casings can still fall prone to contamination before pinning. I'll be on the pans next...oh I'm getting ahead of myself! I've gotta update my grow log with some pics later today. Check it out :wink:


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #2710263 - 05/21/04 07:46 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

yeah it's definitely finer than cubes mycelium, never had any kind of contamination with them yet (3 times)..hope will be successful with pan cyans too  :grin:


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2713771 - 05/22/04 01:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Its better to not shake.  If you want to do it, make it gentle.  More of a rocking or rolling than shakeing  :cool:

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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: psyphon]
    #2714004 - 05/22/04 04:05 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

that's what I have been doing!  :thumbup: just a little "moving around of the grain". The myc looks too gentle to be shaken..


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2714248 - 05/22/04 09:20 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: butterflydawn]
    #2718095 - 05/23/04 11:27 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Here are some new pics!  :grin: All four jars at last..I think I still have to wait 4-5 days until they are colonized completely. Does everybody think letting them wait another week or so after full-colonization does any good?

the red numbers are the jar numbers I gave..number 4 is too full, I know..but colonizes faster than the others I think..hope it stays contam-free  :stoned:
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2733670 - 05/26/04 05:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

number 1 and 2 are completely colonized now..but 3-4 are coming after..so I will wait a few days more..should I leave them for some more days after complete colonization? or is it enough to start spawning? (pics to come in 1-2 days, when all are colonized..)


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2734094 - 05/26/04 08:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i want to see the fully colonized pics!! pleeeeeeeeeease.


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    #2746681 - 05/30/04 12:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

All covered with mycelium now!  :grin: I will wait 2 more days and then pasteurize my "cow dung/verm/grass seed" mix and spawn it..


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2746829 - 05/30/04 01:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: Rebirtha]
    #2746853 - 05/30/04 01:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Can you use cow dung with just a mix of verm and grass seed? Could you replace the grass seed with something else (birdseed etc.) what is the ratios for that and is that good enough, i thought you needed a straw mix with cow manure?


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: Jopo]
    #2747554 - 05/30/04 06:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

well, i use the substrate recipe from mushmush for a test (my first time for pan cyans)
the ratio is given there under methods/notes/..
i dont know if you can replace the grass seed with bird seed because one is a grain, one not. Might have some different purpose (grass seed) maybe substitute for straw? dunno though.. :tongue:


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2747795 - 05/30/04 08:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2749463 - 05/31/04 09:22 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

If you're only pasteurizing and spawning you shouldn't use grass seed. I think that the grass seed could lead to contamination. If you want grass seed in there I think it'd be best to make it a part of the spawn.


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: psyphon]
    #2749713 - 05/31/04 11:55 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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If you're only pasteurizing and spawning you shouldn't use grass seed.  I think that the grass seed could lead to contamination.  If you want grass seed in there I think it'd be best to make it a part of the spawn.



so you recommend just using dung and vermiculite? or maybe straw instead of grass seed? I could also sterilize but fear the bigger contamination risk, because I dont have a flow-hood or glowbox..
anyone any other ideas? want to get started tomorrow..
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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2749961 - 05/31/04 02:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Ya, would it be alright to use cow dung and vermiculate, would this work very well?


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: psyphon]
    #2750638 - 05/31/04 06:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Why are you so zealous about adding grass seed? Cow dung is about the best thing you can have. The only thing I can think of is for airation, but the verm can do that by just fluffing and not packing when putting in a container.

Why do you want to add grass seed so bad?




I thought it would be important, or it would not be in the recipe I found on mushmush (under methods/notes/..). Thought it might have to do something with nutrition and I have to use it to have nice flushes. So dung should suffice(?) If it is so, I will only use cowdung and vermiculite.


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    #2751734 - 05/31/04 11:42 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

If you have straw, cowdung and straw would probably be best. If it needs a bit more structure then you can add vermiculite.


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    #2752118 - 06/01/04 03:05 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I can buy straw but dont have perfectly sterile contidions (like glow box or flowhood) and I heard of straw being contaminated more easily. Guess I will make 6 trays, 3 with grass seed/dung/verm and three with dung/verm, to test. Hope I will get any mushrooms at all  :smile:


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2752908 - 06/01/04 11:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I just finished pasteurizing the substrate for the first three trays (dung/verm only), while the grass seed I bought today is soaking water for the rest 3 trays (dung/verm/grass seed). Will sterilize tonight.
The soaking grass seed (will soak for approx. 12 hrs):


Mixed dried dung and verm in dry form, added water, let soak a little and squeezed the excess water out. Filled in two filter patched bags (substrate for 2 trays in 1 bag + substrate for 1 tray in the other)and folded the opening 2-3 times, attached clothespins:

Kept the temperature of the  water   and the  substrate between  80-84  degrees celcius and  75-83 for 2 hours and 10 minutes. That should be enough I think. The substrate was at least 80 degrees for about 1 hour, if not longer..

i let my thermometer fall and broke it, right after I finished using it  :grin: wont need one until next time anyway..

now the 2 bags are waiting in a plastic box (which will be one of the terrariums later on) to cool down, and will be spawned later today (i hope) in the cheap glow box I will try to make out of a cardboard box. (pics will come)


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    #2756536 - 06/02/04 11:17 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

sterilized the substrate for the other 3 trays also, they are all together in my cupboard now, waiting.
the ratios were,

for dung/verm (per 1 liter tray): 1,5 cups of dung + 1 cup verm
for dung/verm/grass seed:        1 cup dung + 1 cup verm + 1 cup gs

dont know if that is good but we'll see..looks and feels OK to me at least. that's also the cup I used,
ordinary coffee cup. It looks like too much verm there but that's the ones floating on the water..


the glow box (without gloves) i used..better than nothing  :grin:



after spawning (sealed with an impulse sealer plus tape as there might be holes or so left:


well..for now I will just have to wait for the bags to colonize..
how often should I shake them? not often I guess..they wont start
fruiting in the bags will they??? hope not


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2758835 - 06/02/04 10:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Looking good nimbus :thumbup:
Why did you sterilize the substrate though, wouldn't it be better to pastuerize?


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #2759562 - 06/03/04 02:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I sterilized one half and pasteurized the other. But they are not the same substrate though..
I sterilized, because people said grass seed would/could lead to contamination :shrug:  and saw Una's success with sterilization and wanted to give it a try..  :wink:


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2759692 - 06/03/04 04:26 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Looking Good nimbus,I am thinking of starting a pan cyan grow also.Keep up the log and GOOD LUCK!!!


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    #2760044 - 06/03/04 08:53 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

thanks everyone!
today I bought an aquarium air pump and all the stuff I need for air-axchange for later on..
got one question though,  do I have to use sterilized casing with sterilized substrate? or will pasteurizing be enough?

and

I am starting to see bright white spots of mycelium on the surface
of the substrate in the bags.  should I shake them? or leave them?

thanks for any answers, i need 'em quick!  :wink:


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    #2768267 - 06/06/04 03:35 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

looks like noone's interested anymore..anyway, I got some new pictures and I think and hope that I can start with casing them
tomorrow or so!  :wink:
here the bag with dung/verm/grass seed (for 2 trays):

the bag with dung/verm/grass seed (for 1 tray):

and the bag with dung/verm only (for 2 trays):

the smaller bag with dung/verm for 1 tray is not ready yet, because I shook it twice, I dont know why..  :tongue:

how can one be sure the bag is completely colonized? i mean I only see the ouside of the substrate, what about the inside?


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2768293 - 06/06/04 04:13 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

When you see the outside is fully colonized wait 2-3 more days to be sure its all colonized. This will also le the mycelium to get much more thick and robust thus will enable it to colonize your spawn medium/case faster. This goes as well as for casings. I suggest before you case move it to a tray, let it sit with the lid on for a few days, to let the mycelium grow thick and nice then case. This will support bigger fruits.
With edibles it is done alot and the more you let the mycelium sit before premordia formation the bigger fruits you get.

EDIT - Oh yea be sure to calculate how many liters/cubic meters you got in your terrariums/fruiting chamber) and use an appropriate pump.
For say a 60liter terrarium youd want a 60literp per hour pump for 1 air exchange per hour. If you want 2 complete air exchanges per hour get a 120 liter per hour pump and so on and so forth...


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2768344 - 06/06/04 05:59 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

If I used a sterilised substrate,I would also use a sterile casing layer.But that is just my opinion.

I do have a question for you though,how long did it take for them to get from innoculation to casing?I read somewhere that Pan Cyans take a little longer to colonise and fruit than cubes do,but how much longer?

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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: doc34]
    #2768364 - 06/06/04 06:46 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I am using a partly sterilized casing (peat/verm/calcium carbonate) this time (cooked in PC for 1 hour). Think it will be good enough, mushmush suggests..

I did not case them yet, so I cant tell you how long it took till casing but it took 2 weeks for full colonization of jars (720ml)
and 4-5 days for the colonization of the substrate bags mixed with colonized birdseed (the bags are not 100% colonized yet but 70-80% I guess). In 2-3 days it should be the time for pouring it into trays and letting them wait a day or so, the case them and so on..

BUT- I read that pan cyans colonize fast and fruit fast too, they just seem weaker to the eye


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Re: Panaeolus Cyanescens (Australian) Grow Log [Re: nimbus]
    #2774075 - 06/08/04 07:46 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I just moved the dung/verm/grass seed substrate to the trays and covered with alu-foil. Both bags looked like this:


I had planned to use 3 but there was enough to fill 4!! so I did 4..
(2 one liter, 1 1.25 liter and 1 i guess is almost 1 liter) Didnt case them yet..will wait till tomorrow or so, just to let the mycelium get stronger again. Dont have the patience to let them wait 2-3 days before casing.
The dung/verm substrate seems to be colonizing slower. Should be ready in a few days..


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    #2777807 - 06/09/04 11:48 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Just PC some grain and use that..... It wont be 100% sterile but itll be colonized befor you know it.. Or you could jsut get soem grass seed


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    #2778909 - 06/09/04 06:24 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for the advice..
I cased the 4 trays with a 1 cm thick layer (or 1.3 cm-something like that) a few minutes ago!
They have been waiting for 34 hours in the trays, closed with aluminum foil, allowing the mycelium get a little stronger before being cased. This is how they looked, sorry for the poor quality, I cant make very sharp pics with my camera, dont know why.. (3.1 megapixel HP Photosmart 435)

and after casing:

they were all in the same condition so I took photos of only one..
Gave the casing a light misting because it seemed to have dried out slightly, waiting in the jars for 3 days.

...

took a look at the other 2 bags filled with dung/verm (spawned with birdseed) and decided to transfre them to trays too..again, I saw that I did some miscalculation, instead of 3 trays I have 3 trays + a 1,5 liter PET water bottle layed on its side, cut to make a tray out of it, because had no more trays  :grin: photos of this will come on the day of their casing, which should be friday sometime..


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    #2784756 - 06/11/04 12:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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    #2786397 - 06/11/04 09:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

thanks mate!  :stoned:

today I took a look at the first 4 casings, they looked like this, then I patched the casing a little bit with very small amounts of casing:

after that, I cased the other 4 trays..one of them is the bottle I cut


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Lets pin!! [Re: nimbus]
    #2789352 - 06/13/04 03:37 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I put the first 4 casings in their terrarium now! I hope I am giving them the right conditions. An aquarium pump is pumping air into a photo-film case filled with water, just to be sure air is coming through, not for humidication. And perlite is there too. I will continue like this until pinning and then decrease humidity somehow and keep fanning like a madman!  :crazy2:




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Re: Lets pin!! [Re: nimbus]
    #2789371 - 06/13/04 03:51 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Here's some information regarding pinhead initiation according to Stamets:

Relative humidity:95+%
Air temp:75-80*F
C02: 5000ppm or below
Fresh air exchanges 2 per hour
Light requirements: Diffuse natural or fluorescent grow-lights

Lets pin...lets hope so mate :wink: :thumbup:

With regards to humidity 100% is easlily possible with perlite and bubbler. I don't think you really need perlite when casing.


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    #2789568 - 06/13/04 08:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

so I will open the holes on the sides (which you can see in the pic, above the humidity gauge) and check humidity again..
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Re: Lets pin!! [Re: nimbus]
    #2792115 - 06/14/04 10:55 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Someone heeelp mee!  :confused:
i removed all perlite from the box, opened both holes but the humidity is still 100% (it says it is more but i dont get it)
what can/should I do?
this is how the casings look like now:




you cant see it in the pics but there are very tiny water drops
among the mycelium..doesnt look nice to me, but is it OK?
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    #2793982 - 06/15/04 03:57 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Well if you look at the info above regarding humidity I think you're actually ok for now. What are the ambient air temps like? You will need to drop the temp by about 10* from spawn run temps. Dropping temp and increasing air exchange helps to lower humidity levels, which are probably being mantained by the damp casings and bubbler.


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    #2794074 - 06/15/04 05:58 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)





the temperatures are 25 degrees celcius. it was 28 before casing I didnt do anything to drop it, I dont know how I could?? (it was just warmer in the closet they were waiting in because of colonization and stuff and the weather has been cooler for a few days now, too) I thought the aquarium pump was too weak for proper air exchange and bought a computer fan (8cm) and installed it near the bottom, on the side of the terrarium. I'm letting it run for 15 mins every 3-4 hours for now..(maybe I should do it more often but I am starting it manually and letting it run for a few minutes every once in a while when I am at home) Planning to increase that frequency as soon as fruiting starts to decrease humidity.
the fan really sucks out all humidity in a minute or so, so I guess I will be adding some perlite again, just a little though, to help rebuild humidity. It will be sucked away once in every hour (for 15 minutes, because that is the minimum I can set with my timer). But this is just theory, I will have to try and see.

anything wrong anyone notices with this plan?


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    #2794455 - 06/15/04 09:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Nimbus, I have to tell you that I think aquarium pumps are better then fan. If you know how much liter capacity you have in your grow terrarium and match a pump that puts out twice of that per hour, you can run it 24/7. Just make sure you attach a big ass stone bubbler.
See, it cant be too weak for air exchange. If you know the output of your pump then its just a matter or matching it to the right size terrarium. Thats what I think. If you htink about it you;ll realize that it cant be too weak if you use the proper pump.


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Re: Lets pin!! [Re: nimbus]
    #2794529 - 06/15/04 09:40 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

good luck, nimbus - i hope you have better success than i did in my cyan attempts.

all looks very well and ready to pin i think. i cannot see the holes you mentioned though, to drop humidity, (these would have to be at least 1x1cm to have much of an effect): you can also reduce rH by reducing the number of casings in each tub, increasing the temps, or increasing airflow.  apparently once you do see pins you just hold your breath for a couple of days and do nothing until they make it past 24h, as the perinatal mortality rate is like something out of Chad.

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Re: Lets pin!! [Re: shirley knott]
    #2794661 - 06/15/04 10:25 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for advice from you guys!  :smile:

This is what everything looks like now, I made little changes:
I have 2 terrariums now with 4 casings each. (the casing with dung/verm/birdseed are ready too that means, but wanted to try to put them in the terrarium a little earlier than the first 4)
Both have a 8 cm computer fan on one end (near bottom) and another hole with polyfill
as a filter on the other (near the top). They are both 12V fans but
since I noticed they are too powerful I run them on 3V, turning 4 times slower now. Air is being nicely sucked in through the polyfill
and all the air in the terrariums is freshened within a few minutes.

As I said before, my timer can only work with 15min intervals so I let
them run for 15 minutes and wait 75 minutes until the next run. Humidity builds up again nicely within 5-10 minutes as the gauge tells me.

When fruiting starts I will (just a plan now, we'll see how it works)
run the fans for 15 minutes every 45 minutes or so which I hope will result in some decreased humidity.

This is how it looks like now:



..btw it is important to keep the casing (peat/verm) moist too, right? but how can I moisten it without having to fear I will make the mycelium layer wet? The perlite adds humidity to the air and the casing does this too but is the humidity of the air enough to keep the casing moist? I can only use a spray bottle to provide extra moisture because all else is too expensive for me right now. So can I try spraying the inside of the terrarium with a fine spray? I'm asking because it does not matter how fine the spraying is (fine to the eye though) I can see tiny droplets of water amongst the mycelium..was wondering if this is bad too?


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    #2795742 - 06/15/04 04:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Hey everyone! I wanted to take a closer look at the first 4 casings a few minutes ago and guess what I think I saw?!  :eek:
Pins!! on two of the casings! they are very small, not bigger than this dot: (.) maybe smaller but there is lots of them!!! I dont know..maybe 20? 30? in piles of 10s or so..maybe more, i hope more  :grin:
as soon as they are big enough to see on a pic I will post it. Is this the time to drop humidity and increase air exchange? or should I wait a little more till I can see the buttons? (i mean the part that will become the cap and looks darker, dont know if those are called buttons really?) lots of questions together with the post before this one  :smile:


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    #2795987 - 06/15/04 05:48 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Wait till you have buttons, then increase air exchange, and NO misting until after you harvest mushrooms.

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    #2799156 - 06/16/04 01:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

this is how casings look like right now, only the parts with pins shown here:




i have problems with keeping the casing moist by misting because it is covered and I dont want to damage the mycelium by making it wet..feel in such a hurry to find answers because I want fruitsss!  :crazy2:

do I apply thin layer of casing every time a flush ends? I mean is keeping the casing from complete surface colonization a rule one should follow?
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    #2799415 - 06/16/04 02:08 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

those are knots..... hopefully pins soon - you will know them when you see them!


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    #2799451 - 06/16/04 02:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

most of them are knots I guess, yes..but I also saw 1-2 pins..
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    #2799518 - 06/16/04 02:42 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: PINNNSSSS!! [Re: shirley knott]
    #2799870 - 06/16/04 04:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

anno just let me know that I know little about casings and I realized that is true..  :rolleyes: :grin:
it may not be overlay but complete colonization of the casing is not good say the casing FAQs..
I can see almost 40-50 knots and 3-5 pins already but on the completely colonized casing. Hope they will grow nicely.
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Re: PINNNSSSS!! [Re: nimbus]
    #2799909 - 06/16/04 04:51 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Nimbus, I think that you'll be fine. Just ask Magash in the growing forum. He'll tell you that all his casing over colonize, and they turn out incredible. Keep it up! :wink:


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    #2800658 - 06/16/04 09:08 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Follow Teonans advice...your ok with any overlay problem


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Re: PINNNSSSS!! [Re: nimbus]
    #2800715 - 06/16/04 09:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

def not overlayed..you can have a fully colonized casing layer without overlay bro :wink: in fact when it comes to cubensis a casing layer like yours in proper conditions will give you a sweet pinset...dunno how it works with this species tho


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Re: PINNNSSSS!! [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #2801380 - 06/17/04 03:14 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I just woke up and took a look at it, there are clearly visible 7-10 pins (2mm) and lots of knots. The mycelium and the casing looked a bit dry but since I am not allowed to mist directly on the pins I misted the walls of the terrarium a bit and gave a fine misting into the air anyway, but from now on I will stop misting and increase air exchange! oh man! that little guy there is a pan cyan!  :loveeyes:

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Great, yeah don't let any mist get on the pins, they may abort easily. Looks great, keep us updated.


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    #2802569 - 06/17/04 01:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)





I went to the university and came back and they were already bigger
and more of them had become visible to the eye! the pics arent the best but I cant make them any sharper, dunno why..

the strange thing is this is the first and only casing fruiting. the other 3 in the same terrarium are still waiting but one has some knots..the days when I will have beautiful even pinsets are not near I guess  :grin: but experience and right conditions are the keywords huh?


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I didnt use zoom at all..I zoomed later with photoshop and the camera was almost perfectly still. I dont know..maybe its just a bad camera.
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Pans are fast Evan


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    #2804833 - 06/18/04 08:31 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I borrowed a much better digital camera and made theese pics! they look good :grin:


is that a mutant (siamese twins?) in the upper right corner? here:


please comment the looks of the mycelium..it doesnt look good to me and I dont know how I can keep the casing moist now!


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Teonan said it best ..lots of air exchange and no misting until you harvest the mushrooms.


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    #2806864 - 06/18/04 07:00 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hmmm... it almost looks like you have two contams in there... cobweb and cubensis.
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Quote:

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Those look hella contaminated with cobweb.



Thats not cobweb...its healthy pan mycellium


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    #2808182 - 06/19/04 03:07 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

yeah..dunno much about cobweb but it looks like mycelium to mee too, it is just colonized too much.
the pins dont look so healthy to me anymore :frown: they look like they'll be small and the caps of some of them has turned a little bit blue..just a bit
humidity might be a bit too high..still more than 95% but air exchange should be good enough i think. they are being fanned for 15 minutes every 75 minutes and sometimes more often because I open the lid to take a look or mist the walls or just start the fans manually..
should I even stop misting the walls?
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    #2808315 - 06/19/04 04:45 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

why are you still misting? you said you were gonna follow teonan's advice  :confused:

i hope it turns out okay for ya (and that they aren't cubensis after all). :rolleyes:


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    #2808328 - 06/19/04 05:08 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I am not misting the casings or the fruits..just the terrarium walls sometimes. This means I should even stop that..OK..maybe too late but not for the ones on the way I hope.
Dont think they're cubes but some really remind me of them too.


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    #2808725 - 06/19/04 12:16 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Nimbus i used saran wrap on top of a 10 gallon aquarium and kept about 10% uncovered ....it was under a ceiling fan on low setting so air exchange was plenty...I misted the walls only twice a day
They really do look like Cubensis but the mycellium is definatley Pan?
You need to kinda let the top layer dry out a bit...I followed Teonans advice to the tee...This is a old pic of my first Pan Cope grow ...i never really had a flush because they just kept producing
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    #2808747 - 06/19/04 12:34 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Back when dude did this flush, he had a coolmist running 24-7, pumping air into a **sterlite tub. It had strategically placed holes (covered during pinset, and some then removed for fruiting) to provide for exhaust.** It'd give constant air, and was tweakable between ~95 and 85% humidity. No spraying necessary with the setup.

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    #2809352 - 06/19/04 06:00 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)




this is how they are at the moment. the mycelium is definitely pan cyan I think, the prints were smaller than cubensis prints and the mycelium was weak looking (altough it is not) and not so dense and brigth white. Matched the descriptions I read.
I'm letting the casing dry a bit now, lets see waht happens. I fear most of them are aborting and they will go on doing that. The ones that survive are likely to be thin and small ones :sad:

(btw. i dont know where to get a cool mist around germany and how it is called here..many people saying good things about it in the forums)


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    #2809422 - 06/19/04 06:30 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Proper humidity and continuous air is what you want! At this point, these two are the most important factors!! If your humidity is high enough, you shouldn't really have to worry about the moisture level in the casing mixture. If your air exchange is too low, everything else gets negated, and the shrooms suffocate.


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humidity is high all the time according to the humidity gauge (calibrated recently) and air exchange should be enough too i think. I dont know how to be sure. the fan cleans all the air within 5 minutes the most - runs for 15 minutes with 75 minute breaks. Once after they get the fresh air, is 75 minutes too much to wait for the next air exchange? I thought I should do it so that the humidity can build up again. Because once the fan starts the hum. falls down to 60-65% within 5-10 minutes.


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    #2809565 - 06/19/04 07:43 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

>Because once the fan starts the hum. falls down to 60-65% within 5-10 minutes.Because once the fan starts the hum. falls down to 60-65% within 5-10 minutes.

There in may lie our problem. I can't say for sure, but I would bet that the humidity cycling can't be good, and is possibly the reason behind the abhorts. **edit (I know what you said is common practice and will be fine for cubies most of the time, but this is where we get to say this is a more "advanced" species)

If at all possible, don't sacrifice humidity for air exchange, or vice versa. They should work together, but at the same time be independant of one another. Luckily in the US, we can get coolmists; you could probably rig up, effectively, the same thing using the aquarium pump and perlite in the tub with some holes poked into it near the bottom for exhaust. The biggest factor will be how much air the fish pump displaces over time.


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I went back to the air pump for a change now..got nothing to loose anyway..most of them look *ucked-up by now


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I think things are getting better again..slowly..
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wow, great idea! but wasnt that suggested for increasing humidity? I have high humidity already..But that machine would also help for air exchange, wouldnt it?
oh man..this is not as easy as it looks like sometimes..I got a bit confused by all the factors I have to think about. after this grow, which hopefully still will be something, I'll go back to cubes once more, have success and be happy :smile: after that..pan cyans again, but I want to get more experienced. this is the 4th time I grow, 1st for pans..


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    #2813048 - 06/21/04 02:24 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

so this is how they look now, I show you only one casing because this is the only one where we can see some action, there's lots of pins but no real growth - I dont know why the others havent done anything yet..2 more have just like 3-5 pins. The trays in the other terrarium (without grass seed) are still just gazing at the terrarium lid and chilling and not thinking about pinning as it seems. Humidity is high, light they have and some air exchange too. Disappointing  :sad:
I want to recase this tray after I harvest these, but should I scratch it or just apply casing without touching it? help me on this..

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    #2813803 - 06/21/04 11:22 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

STOP MISTING.

Humidity should be very low. WET FEET DRY HEADS.

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See how the fruits are falling over from there own weight. This casing has almost expired it's internal moisture into the air, through the fruits, and casing surface. This is the result of a properly moist casing, in a rubbermaid, with the lid slightly opened at the corners and a daily fanning or two with a paper plate, manually. No moisture was added to the casing, or rubbermaid, after buttons formed.

The lid stays on and moisture is built up in the casing through misting, with daily fanning. This is done up to the time you see buttons form. Once a single button forms, I mist NO MORE. There is no humidity generating system. This casing matures on the internal moisture built up before pinning.

The lid is partially opened at the corners after button formation, to allow a RAPID evaporation rate to mature the fruits. Casing>Fruits>Air You have to judge how open the lid is left based on the speed of evaporation(related to how dry the air is in your house).


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Yes, you also can use it without the Fog Function.
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thanks so much teonan! made me feel much better  :yesnod:
and I did stop misting by now.

...and the other casings are showing signs after all!! if not so many
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the casing lay alone provides a "micro-climate". I usually keep my chamber at 90+ humididty, for my casings. But I've been fine having it fall down to the 70's and bringing it back up. It's actually a good thing to let them transpire.


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I told you to listen to Teonan ....I let mine get very dry and barely misted the sides of my aquarium ...mine did wonderfull
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    #2820641 - 06/23/04 11:26 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

check this out:



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    #2821214 - 06/23/04 01:51 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

That black dosent look good on those pins :blush:. But that is a funny funny shroom on the right :laugh:


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    #2830519 - 06/26/04 11:27 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

not even 1 of my shrooms matured..I get new pins everyday but they never grow longer than those in the pics and I harvest them :frown:
unsuccessful try...dont know what the main problem is

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Pick the best looking one and clone it.  Try for a second flush too :smile:  You've already been more successful than you realize.


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Re: Siamese Twins [Re: nimbus]
    #2834021 - 06/27/04 04:15 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

The black juts looks like rotting, not like contams =b.


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Re: Siamese Twins [Re: psyphon]
    #2836200 - 06/28/04 11:37 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Pick the best looking one and clone it.  Try for a second flush too :smile:  You've already been more successful than you realize.




What do you mean with more successful than I realize??
I dont understand what's happening with the casings anymore. Only one of 8 casings is somewhat producing pins and thats the one on the pics I sent. Other 2 or 3 trays also try but cant..dunno why. They remain
small and die after a while. 3 of the casings havent shown any sign
yet. They're all under same conditions, I mean humidity and air exchange and light. A little frustrating..  :confused:
not even 1 mature specimen until now.
next try is mexicana A and PESA..after that pan cyan again.(?)


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Re: Siamese Twins [Re: nimbus]
    #2840858 - 06/29/04 05:31 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Do not case, recase, recase. Just make the casing, and let it do it's thing.

You got way to much going on there. It doesn't have to be like that.

Just place a casing inside a clear rubbermaid, and mist and fan daily until pins form. Then you stop everything for 24-48 hours for buttons to form in more then one spot, and then you leave the lid slightly open, and fan manually with a paper plate, maybe 1-2 times a day. After 3-7 days they will be mature.

Some substrains are crappy, and even when everything goes great, they don't produce large mushrooms. They stay short, mutate, and never really drop spores. This can be genetic, and not entirely related to the environmnet.

Don't be afraid to let the casing go completely dry!!! Do not mist anything after you see buttons.

I would take the tray that is forming buttons and seperate it from the others. Put it in a rubbermade large enough to fit two casings side by side, and tall enough to mature ten inch fruits from the casing surface. Then just leave the lid slighlty off so the corners are open. THEN JUST WAIT. Fan 1-2 times daily if you must, but it really isn't necessary. The open lid will result in a constant steady draw of moisture from inside the casing to the air outside the rubbermade.


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    #2841163 - 06/29/04 07:38 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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    #2855948 - 07/04/04 09:45 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

still no progress since the first harvest but still trying.
btw, my harvest was 1,2 gr dry and I made a tea last night..
they are VERY potent! no matter how unsuccessful I thought I had been (with harvest amount) the potency was incredibly good! :eyemouth:

now I am wondering if one can achieve such great results (trip level)with increased levels of sclerotia too? or does everyone who has tried them think they have a different trip?


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