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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26727047 - 06/07/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Great explanation.

So I think it depends mostly on how you define games, or maybe how seriously one plays them anyway.  Makes sense.

That's funny you describe salvia like that.  To me sometimes it feels like all of a sudden I'm here, and have just done something I wasn't supposed to do... but I missed whatever I did, I'm just trying to hide it and cover my tracks :lol:


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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: Revok]
    #26727098 - 06/07/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think civil disobedience and crime are the same thing. Obedience is alright but there needs to be a certain individual to be obedient with, that you know, and should know pretty well (like your mum or your dad). You should always ask questions at least in your head and not just obey without thinking, obviously.

You should definitely not obey something that isn't an individual. I agree when you say life is not game, but when you obey something that you don't see physically simply because other people are doing it, that is when you are taking part in game and for most letting your life be dictated by game. It's not good to play games that aren't fun and you should always play games in moderation. Don't watch games that you aren't playing in either.

Just do what you feel is right, and know when you are in a game. I think it is important that there is civil disobedience, because in the end crime is proof that there is freedom from the game, of course it isn't a means of showing that you are free, remember that. If we end up in a world where there is no crime, that is when all freedom is lost and that is when life becomes game.



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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: kitten6]
    #26727222 - 06/07/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

then some crimes should be legalized and suitably taxed.


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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26727725 - 06/07/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't say it was a game...I said it was game as in game on.


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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: Revok]
    #26728005 - 06/08/20 02:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Disobedience would simply be defying applicable arbitrary laws.

Criminal IMHO is when someone attempts to steal, damage, or harm someone/personal property.

The first is purely a consensually agreed upon psychological abstraction (laws, that is; just like paper dollars are agreed upon as valid currency).

The latter is physically acting in ways the jeopardize other people's lives and property.

Personal property - and that absolutely includes you as an individual/your physical body - is the dividing line.

My :twocents::twocents:.


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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26728036 - 06/08/20 03:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

aha fuck tax


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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: kitten6]
    #26728429 - 06/08/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

kitten6, you are so civily disobedient!
taxes are the honey of the hive


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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26732845 - 06/09/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What shocks me most about this thread is the lack of references people use to prove their arguments... as if we are uniformed of greater minds before us which have tackled these questions.

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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: Revok] * 1
    #26732942 - 06/09/20 10:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think we can mostly reason for ourselves here.  After all, we refer (and defer) to various bits and pieces of “greater minds”, as you call it, when making our posts all the time - weaving in a tad here and a tad there to build upon the thread’s theme- It’s just how it goes.  Everything written here is likely a crude reflection of the associative processes going on when we think of the question being asked.  Those associations are based on our varied life experiences, sensory data, the storehouse consciousness and all the piece-meal aggregates making up those categories up as processed in total by and expressed by the structure & function of our embodied beings. Another thing, most people are not gifted writers.  I’m certainly not.  If I take my time I can write decently after 5/6 editing takes, but that’s take time, and I’ve got a life to live.

  I imagine everyone here could explain what they think much better in person, than when explaining the same thing in writing, and that can often lead to much confusion on the boards here  So adding more onto that already sometimes onerous task may not always fit the flow & niche of what is found here.  Sometimes it is - sometimes it’s not.

I didn’t see any forum rule requiring MLA or APA standards.  You can appeal to whatever you want though.  I’ve done it at times and plenty of others here have as well.  Just read a few more threads and you will see it.  Though sometimes sourcing and citing every little thing actually detracts from the topic being discussed, it can also add to it - and you will usually see responsible members do so when appropriate.

However, since this is an informal online public forum it may be a bit unreasonable to suggest & and then assume that everyone will cite their sources for everything here.  To clarify, I too share your concerns  & gratitude  - but I don’t want to write all that out every single time I post here. 


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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: Revok] * 1
    #26733567 - 06/10/20 06:19 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What shocks me most about this thread is the lack of references people use to prove their arguments... as if we are uniformed of greater minds before us which have tackled these questions.

Iffffffff we dontstand upon the the shouldersofour ancestors tan we only stand upon our own 2 feet




Don't you think philosophy itself is pretty subjective by nature?  Noting references as you say, to "prove" arguments, wouldn't be proving anything - just pointing to another's viewpoint.

I don't know about you but the whole reason I come here is to hear the viewpoints of other minds than my own.  Pointing out references and arguing to prove the other wrong, to me just seems useless.  What do I gain if I prove you wrong?

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I think we can mostly reason for ourselves here.  After all, we refer (and defer) to various bits and pieces of “greater minds”, as you call it, when making our posts all the time - weaving in a tad here and a tad there to build upon the thread’s theme- It’s just how it goes.  Everything written here is likely a crude reflection of the associative processes going on when we think of the question being asked.  Those associations are based on our varied life experiences, sensory data, the storehouse consciousness and all the piece-meal aggregates making up those categories up as processed in total by and expressed by the structure & function of our embodied beings.




Very well put!


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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: Forrester]
    #26734208 - 06/10/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

thankfully informal here


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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: Revok]
    #26734905 - 06/10/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Criminal, by definition, means against the laws of the land. If the laws of the land are unjust, then the disobedience is totally justified.

I was strongly in support of the criminal act of burning down the police station in Minneapolis.
I am strongly opposed to the criminal act of looting random stores in protest.

I'm a big proponent of targeted violence against those who abuse power and feel untouchable. I caught a lot of flack for that from middle-class white friends, primarily (lol). They claim you can't control anger and there is no right way to protest. Not the best examples, but the many terrorist attacks over the past 2 decades say otherwise.


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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: Darwin23]
    #26734918 - 06/10/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm a big proponent of targeted violence against those who abuse power and feel untouchable.




However just you think the motives are, that's a pretty slippery slope... although understandable.  Accidents happen.  Bad intelligence.  Oops, innocents got killed and how who's the terrorist?


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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: Forrester]
    #26734978 - 06/10/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

True. Even those that were targeted Dallas 2016, Baton Rouge 2016, Charleston 2015, Christchurch 2019 and El Paso 2019, were killing innocent people who happened to be the wrong race or profession.

What I'm for is very specific targeting.



Case in point. This cop had "you're fucked" carved onto the side of his rifle. He gives contradictory commands before firing on and killing a crying and clearly unarmed man. The officer was eventually acquitted. Reading the Wikipedia now, he retired to the Philippines after the murder.

Disclaimer: I'm not advocating harming this man in any way.

Hypothetically though, if another similar situation were to arise, I feel the public should target the specific officer. They should take everything from him, completely derail his path in life. He should be so sad and lost that he is almost sympathetic. He should be made into an example. The courts won't solve it, the people will.


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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: Darwin23] * 1
    #26735032 - 06/10/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, it's hard to disagree with wanting some form of revenge (or justice, if we can call it that) in that sort of situation. 

I certainly don't have a better solution to propose, but revenge in any form rarely solves anything.  Sure, we could get that guy back, make him miserable, which he will already do to himself anyway, and then what? 

Sure, you can make an example of someone, but it won't touch what causes the mindset of the perpetrators of these kinds of crimes.


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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: Forrester]
    #26735351 - 06/10/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

you must see and listen to this
https://twitter.com/i/status/1269291643842289666

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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: Forrester]
    #26735355 - 06/10/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That video strikes me as pure propaganda.  Extreme skepticism.  :stoned:


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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26735534 - 06/10/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
you must see and listen to this
https://twitter.com/i/status/1269291643842289666

perspective from within




I too have pondered the same thing from the same perspective as the one she shares and it’s a damn compelling one. 

Nice 👍. .  .


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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: Revok]
    #26735575 - 06/10/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What shocks me most about this thread is the lack of references people use to prove their arguments... as if we are uniformed of greater minds before us which have tackled these questions.

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Re: At what point do you define "civil disobedience" "criminal"? [Re: Revok] * 1
    #26735587 - 06/10/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Source?

:jimmies:

...kidding...(for all those inept at discerning internet lulz)


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