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The ethos of unlimited economic growth
#26735199 - 06/10/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The whole ethos of the capitalist economy is that we “make” as much money as we can, as much as we wish. That growth can continue for every citizen, indefinitely – in principle. But the plain fact is that nothing is being created out of nothing. Goods, services, all commodities – they all come from somewhere. And that somewhere is, quite generally, the Earth. As we know, the Earth is finite and fragile. So we see that this dominant, dominating meme is having quite an obvious and predictable series of results.
Can the global capitalist system even be made to be sustainable in principle? Without damaging the operation of the system? It seems our real problems go much deeper than who we have in Congress or the White House.
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Re: The ethos of unlimited economic growth [Re: DividedQuantum]
#26735267 - 06/10/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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No. I don’t think so. Because the capitalist system is alienating. Meaning, “money” which you described well, is detached from reality (earth). That is the essence of it and without any other moral factor entering the equation it will do what it is currently doing. That is, producing mal-adjusted behaviors detached from reality and stimulating negative conditions which are evidently being brought forth.
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Re: The ethos of unlimited economic growth [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26735316 - 06/10/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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gonna look up ethos again
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Re: The ethos of unlimited economic growth [Re: DividedQuantum]
#26735325 - 06/10/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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it is part of the ethos of america
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Re: The ethos of unlimited economic growth [Re: redgreenvines]
#26735386 - 06/10/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, and the whole modern world, too, I think. Afaik, it's a basic principle both of capitalism and communism, too. Unlimited material growth.
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Re: The ethos of unlimited economic growth [Re: DividedQuantum]
#26735485 - 06/10/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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These are just economic models. Which is to say that they don’t consider nature. Ergo economics alone is insufficient.
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Re: The ethos of unlimited economic growth [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26735499 - 06/10/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would say they do consider nature, but they definitely don’t prioritize it appropriately.
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Re: The ethos of unlimited economic growth [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26735506 - 06/10/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: The ethos of unlimited economic growth [Re: DividedQuantum] 1
#26739063 - 06/12/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: The whole ethos of the capitalist economy is that we “make” as much money as we can, as much as we wish. That growth can continue for every citizen, indefinitely – in principle. But the plain fact is that nothing is being created out of nothing. Goods, services, all commodities – they all come from somewhere. And that somewhere is, quite generally, the Earth. As we know, the Earth is finite and fragile. So we see that this dominant, dominating meme is having quite an obvious and predictable series of results.
Can the global capitalist system even be made to be sustainable in principle? Without damaging the operation of the system? It seems our real problems go much deeper than who we have in Congress or the White House.
IMO its not just that economic growth cannot continue forever, in a closed system, but that when prioritizing money (actually a source of power & ownership, (besides of course also being useful for trade)), all the more valuable components of being human, are neglected, which very shortly results in a blunting of sensitivity, intelligence, and awareness; from this immediately follows, a lowering of the quality of life, that is compensated for, with: distractions, ownership (consumer society/acquiring stuff), hedonistic indulgence, and other such coarse preoccupations, that divert attention from the tragedy actually taking place.
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Re: The ethos of unlimited economic growth [Re: laughingdog]
#26739214 - 06/12/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh I find that quite correct, and did not mean to imply that I was discussing the only relevant dynamic. In modern America, literally everything is a commodity: faces, personalities, characters, love ("Love, it's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru"), empathy, compassion, knowledge, wisdom, enlightenment -- all of these are for sale, and by a lot of people. Deepak Chopra and Dr. Phil will turn us into modern Buddhas for three easy installments of $19.99.
Indeed, we lost our way a long, long time ago.
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Re: The ethos of unlimited economic growth [Re: DividedQuantum]
#26739242 - 06/12/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It makes my existential crisis bone throb at times. Especially after spending some time in a so called less “developed” country and then coming back to the states. Those things you mention are sold in the US and some other countries as if one could have the life experience simply by reading about it. It reeks
Beings to mind this:
Yoto Kuniku” (sheep’s head, horse meat, dog meat) is a saying which means to put a sheep’s head on the shop’s signboard but to sell dog meat. In other words, an item of inferior quality is sold although the sign may advertise it as a quality item. Or one may try to appear great when in fact he is mean within.
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Re: The ethos of unlimited economic growth [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26739280 - 06/12/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: ....Especially after spending some time in a so called less “developed” country and then coming back to the states. ....
Indeed travel can be an eye opener
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Re: The ethos of unlimited economic growth [Re: laughingdog]
#26739370 - 06/12/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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slogans are not ethos, they are marketing
our ethos includes marketing.
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Re: The ethos of unlimited economic growth [Re: redgreenvines]
#26739386 - 06/12/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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posts are not necessarily evidence of thinking marketing ethos is not necessarily relevant but marketing, marketing is marketing
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Re: The ethos of unlimited economic growth [Re: laughingdog]
#26739861 - 06/12/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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posts are evidence of clicking, and clicking is definitely a form of thinking, the associative process, intuitive but topical.
maybe not the type of agreeable thinking you are looking for.
I click again.
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